| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 23:55 - Dec 16 with 1096 views | Darran |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 23:40 - Dec 16 by Ebo |
Trampie has a point though, for every "PC loon" comment as you say, let's not forget the constant labeling of socialists as 'commies' and anti-semites.
The same loons calling socialists and left-leaning people anti-semites are now abusing Jews and Muslims on the London Underground. The videos I have seen on Twitter are alarming. |
You do agree it’s the same on both sides though yeah? |  |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 00:11 - Dec 17 with 1074 views | Kerouac |
Murray is, once again, spot on.
Don't expect those who need to learn from an article like that to take any notice though.
They have the perfect solution for not having to engage with any of the arguments he puts forward...they label him a right-wing, racist, nut job.
That way you don't have to think you see, don't have to question...and then your precious beliefs can be kept intact.
Job done.
If the Labour Party want to elect a female leader who connects with the voters they need to get onside in order to win an election, they should elect Caroline Flint as leader.
The fact she hasn't even been mentioned says everything you need to know about the Labour Party and the lessons they intend to learn.
As a result you can expect at least 10 more years of Tory rule, at least. |  |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 00:37 - Dec 17 with 1062 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 00:11 - Dec 17 by Kerouac |
Murray is, once again, spot on.
Don't expect those who need to learn from an article like that to take any notice though.
They have the perfect solution for not having to engage with any of the arguments he puts forward...they label him a right-wing, racist, nut job.
That way you don't have to think you see, don't have to question...and then your precious beliefs can be kept intact.
Job done.
If the Labour Party want to elect a female leader who connects with the voters they need to get onside in order to win an election, they should elect Caroline Flint as leader.
The fact she hasn't even been mentioned says everything you need to know about the Labour Party and the lessons they intend to learn.
As a result you can expect at least 10 more years of Tory rule, at least. |
“The fact she hasn't even been mentioned says everything you need to know”
Probably more to do with the fact she lost her seat.
So she doesn’t connect with too many voters... |  | | |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 00:48 - Dec 17 with 1049 views | Kerouac |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 00:37 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
“The fact she hasn't even been mentioned says everything you need to know”
Probably more to do with the fact she lost her seat.
So she doesn’t connect with too many voters... |
She lost her seat because of the policies enforced by each camp of the Labour Party, the loony left and the EU fanatics.
She correctly called it from way out and if Labour were serious about gaining power they would be listening to her and trying to get her re-elected at the next by-election with a view to putting her in a leadership position and grooming her for the top job.
She is Labour and she called it right, that's who you should be listening to. | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 01:05 - Dec 17 with 1048 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 13:29 - Dec 16 by Lohengrin |
Where has he done that? I’m not doubting you, if you’ve read that you’ve read it, but it does seem a peculiar marker of identity for him to adopt and impossible to carry off. |
Frequently associates himself with the ‘ordinary people’. It’s his entire schtick. He’s does it throughout the article posted on here. Note repeated use of ‘us’ to mean ordinary people and ‘them’ when talking about what he terms lefty types.
Also note in the early part of that article him describing Putney as ‘filled with rows of over-priced £1 million homes’. And Bolsover as containing ‘ a nice semi-detached house for about £100,000‘.
He has considerably more wealth than most of those living in the ‘overpriced’ homes. | | | |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 01:08 - Dec 17 with 1046 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 00:48 - Dec 17 by Kerouac |
She lost her seat because of the policies enforced by each camp of the Labour Party, the loony left and the EU fanatics.
She correctly called it from way out and if Labour were serious about gaining power they would be listening to her and trying to get her re-elected at the next by-election with a view to putting her in a leadership position and grooming her for the top job.
She is Labour and she called it right, that's who you should be listening to. |
I’m not talking about whether or not she should or shouldn’t have lost her seat. I’m telling you why she’s not being mentioned as leader.
And she’s not that popular if she can’t keep her own seat.
Many others did despite the same Labour policies.
I’ve no idea why I should listen to her - I don’t support Labour and didn’t vote for them. Unless they significantly change I won’t vote for them next time either. I certainly wouldn’t vote for them if Caroline Flint was leader. | | | |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 06:34 - Dec 17 with 1024 views | Lohengrin |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 01:05 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
Frequently associates himself with the ‘ordinary people’. It’s his entire schtick. He’s does it throughout the article posted on here. Note repeated use of ‘us’ to mean ordinary people and ‘them’ when talking about what he terms lefty types.
Also note in the early part of that article him describing Putney as ‘filled with rows of over-priced £1 million homes’. And Bolsover as containing ‘ a nice semi-detached house for about £100,000‘.
He has considerably more wealth than most of those living in the ‘overpriced’ homes. |
He’s not saying anything substantially different there to the points that Jon Sopel has been forcefully making this last week, Lis. Sopel, as you probably know, in his younger days before his BBC gig was a columnist for Tribune and a former President of the National Organisation of Labour Students, he had this to say in the wake of the election result:
” Labour in the UK lost the working class, but gained the woke. And that will give the party sleepless nights over the coming months and years.”
‘Us’ and ‘them;’ ‘they’ and ‘we’ has been the language of politics since time immemorial. In this instance it’s being used to draw a distinction between the grounded and the outre, the clear-thinking and the clearly insane. |  |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 08:42 - Dec 17 with 996 views | AnotherJohn |
I'm another who thinks that Caroline Flint deserved to keep her seat. In the inquest that is unfolding only a few like Stephen Kinnock have a glimmering of understanding, I've just heard Jenny Chapman pushing Keir Starmer for Labour leader on Radio 4. That way lies a decade or more in the wilderness. | | | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 15:59 - Dec 17 with 915 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 06:34 - Dec 17 by Lohengrin |
He’s not saying anything substantially different there to the points that Jon Sopel has been forcefully making this last week, Lis. Sopel, as you probably know, in his younger days before his BBC gig was a columnist for Tribune and a former President of the National Organisation of Labour Students, he had this to say in the wake of the election result:
” Labour in the UK lost the working class, but gained the woke. And that will give the party sleepless nights over the coming months and years.”
‘Us’ and ‘them;’ ‘they’ and ‘we’ has been the language of politics since time immemorial. In this instance it’s being used to draw a distinction between the grounded and the outre, the clear-thinking and the clearly insane. |
Oh Loh, you really need to curb your infatuation with old Etonians spouting simplistic right wing nonsense...
Even in Murray’s summing up ‘there are more of us than there are of them’ he’s factually incorrect. More people last week voted for Labour / LibDems / Green than voted for the Tories or brexit party. I know you want to feel like the ‘masses’ are all on your side, but the numbers simply don’t support that view. | | | |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 16:44 - Dec 17 with 886 views | Lohengrin |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 15:59 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
Oh Loh, you really need to curb your infatuation with old Etonians spouting simplistic right wing nonsense...
Even in Murray’s summing up ‘there are more of us than there are of them’ he’s factually incorrect. More people last week voted for Labour / LibDems / Green than voted for the Tories or brexit party. I know you want to feel like the ‘masses’ are all on your side, but the numbers simply don’t support that view. |
Either you have just skipped through the article or you’re quoting selectively and deliberately? I’d go with the former as you don’t go a bundle on him and couldn’t really be bothered.
He spells out quite plainly that he’s talking about “a portion of the British Left,”it’s there in black and white, you know exactly who he’s referring to and there are indeed more of ‘us’ than ‘them’. Far more.
Anyway, what’s the weather like up there with you? | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 16:59 - Dec 17 with 867 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 16:44 - Dec 17 by Lohengrin |
Either you have just skipped through the article or you’re quoting selectively and deliberately? I’d go with the former as you don’t go a bundle on him and couldn’t really be bothered.
He spells out quite plainly that he’s talking about “a portion of the British Left,”it’s there in black and white, you know exactly who he’s referring to and there are indeed more of ‘us’ than ‘them’. Far more.
Anyway, what’s the weather like up there with you? |
I can rarely be bothered to read in full an article from the Mail.
I read his more serious pieces sometimes, but not his populist nonsense. It does him a disservice albeit I’m sure it pays him handsomely. I remember quoting him relatively recently to you when he was arguing in favour of the prosecution of ‘Soldier F’...
Pissing down and cold. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 17:00]
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:03 - Dec 17 with 854 views | Lohengrin |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 16:59 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
I can rarely be bothered to read in full an article from the Mail.
I read his more serious pieces sometimes, but not his populist nonsense. It does him a disservice albeit I’m sure it pays him handsomely. I remember quoting him relatively recently to you when he was arguing in favour of the prosecution of ‘Soldier F’...
Pissing down and cold. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 17:00]
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Have you read ‘Bosie,’ his biography of Alfred Douglas? That would be right up your street I should think.
It’s horrible here too. I had to drag the dog for a walk, she fancied venturing out less than I did. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 17:04]
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:09 - Dec 17 with 845 views | Highjack |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 00:48 - Dec 17 by Kerouac |
She lost her seat because of the policies enforced by each camp of the Labour Party, the loony left and the EU fanatics.
She correctly called it from way out and if Labour were serious about gaining power they would be listening to her and trying to get her re-elected at the next by-election with a view to putting her in a leadership position and grooming her for the top job.
She is Labour and she called it right, that's who you should be listening to. |
Yep a good MP and she seems like a good person. But she lost 6000+ votes to the Brexit Party because of the national leaderships complete and utter failure to devise any sort of coherent brexit policy (or any other policy). |  |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:12 - Dec 17 with 843 views | Lohengrin |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:09 - Dec 17 by Highjack |
Yep a good MP and she seems like a good person. But she lost 6000+ votes to the Brexit Party because of the national leaderships complete and utter failure to devise any sort of coherent brexit policy (or any other policy). |
Have you been following the cat fight between her and Thornberry this last few days? | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:35 - Dec 17 with 810 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:03 - Dec 17 by Lohengrin |
Have you read ‘Bosie,’ his biography of Alfred Douglas? That would be right up your street I should think.
It’s horrible here too. I had to drag the dog for a walk, she fancied venturing out less than I did. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 17:04]
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No. I have a copy that I was given some time ago and started it a few times but must say I found it a little lifeless. I’ll try it again at some point.
My dog can’t stand going out in the wet - she just sits down outside the front gate and looks at me as if to say you must be bloody joking. She gets dragged around for an hour or so until I can’t bear her moping any longer. This time of year she gets a big run on sunny days to make up for days like today. | | | |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:37 - Dec 17 with 806 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:09 - Dec 17 by Highjack |
Yep a good MP and she seems like a good person. But she lost 6000+ votes to the Brexit Party because of the national leaderships complete and utter failure to devise any sort of coherent brexit policy (or any other policy). |
All detailed exit polling shows that the overwhelming problem with Labour was Corbyn rather than Brexit. Even in leave areas. | | | |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:49 - Dec 17 with 796 views | Highjack |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:12 - Dec 17 by Lohengrin |
Have you been following the cat fight between her and Thornberry this last few days? |
It’s a nonsense isn’t it? They’re like little kids in infant school mun. | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:56 - Dec 17 with 789 views | Flashberryjack |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 21:59 - Dec 15 by Catullus |
I have no opinion at all on Murray but having seen all the insults hurled around on here he has a point.
You haven't even got to be a Tory, just be someone who doesn't like Corbyn and the diatribe flows. |
In one. |  |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 18:02 - Dec 17 with 776 views | Highjack |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 17:37 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
All detailed exit polling shows that the overwhelming problem with Labour was Corbyn rather than Brexit. Even in leave areas. |
It’s almost certainly both. | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 18:15 - Dec 17 with 763 views | londonlisa2001 |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 18:02 - Dec 17 by Highjack |
It’s almost certainly both. |
Of course there are elements of both.
But the detailed analysis (done by Ashcroft) showed Corbyn to be the biggest single factor.
The analysis shows that Labour lost more votes from ‘remainers’ last week than it did from ‘leavers’.
Analysis also shows that a substantial number of Tory votes were from remainers.
Blaming brexit is a cop out from momentum. | | | |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 21:49 - Dec 17 with 685 views | Catullus |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 18:15 - Dec 17 by londonlisa2001 |
Of course there are elements of both.
But the detailed analysis (done by Ashcroft) showed Corbyn to be the biggest single factor.
The analysis shows that Labour lost more votes from ‘remainers’ last week than it did from ‘leavers’.
Analysis also shows that a substantial number of Tory votes were from remainers.
Blaming brexit is a cop out from momentum. |
Isn't it true though that many remainers were worried by Corbyn stance and brexit and yet more were concerned a Labour win would see more years of stagnation, uncertainty and arguing.
Yes it was Corbyn mainly but his brexit policy was a large part of that.
I've got to say, the "more of them than us" thing, while it is true all the non tory voters are a bigger number, they couldn't agree on anything besides agreeing they didn't want brexit. The Tories are the biggest single party with the opposition so divided it's totally irrelevant that they are the bigger numbers. The remain vote split and of those who argued against brexit the voters got their revenge, Swinson, Umunna, Berger, Soubry, Pidcock, Grieve, Hayman and Skinner.
The continual misreading of public opinion, the oft trotted out line that the majority now wanted remain when the result says otherwise, the fact that Bojo has a strong majority shows how out of touch many of these people are.
The political bubble eh, when will they learn to get out and listen? | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 21:53 - Dec 17 with 678 views | Highjack |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 21:49 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
Isn't it true though that many remainers were worried by Corbyn stance and brexit and yet more were concerned a Labour win would see more years of stagnation, uncertainty and arguing.
Yes it was Corbyn mainly but his brexit policy was a large part of that.
I've got to say, the "more of them than us" thing, while it is true all the non tory voters are a bigger number, they couldn't agree on anything besides agreeing they didn't want brexit. The Tories are the biggest single party with the opposition so divided it's totally irrelevant that they are the bigger numbers. The remain vote split and of those who argued against brexit the voters got their revenge, Swinson, Umunna, Berger, Soubry, Pidcock, Grieve, Hayman and Skinner.
The continual misreading of public opinion, the oft trotted out line that the majority now wanted remain when the result says otherwise, the fact that Bojo has a strong majority shows how out of touch many of these people are.
The political bubble eh, when will they learn to get out and listen? |
Skinner fought for brexit his whole political life. | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 22:06 - Dec 17 with 664 views | Catullus |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 21:53 - Dec 17 by Highjack |
Skinner fought for brexit his whole political life. |
Yes but he still lost his seat, he wasn't a remainer but he still became a victim of Labours lack of direction, trying to be all things to everybody. Or maybe they ousted him because he's very old? Either way Labour lost a lot of votes because of Corbyn and the policies that he claimed won him the argument! He's taken a hiding for that, even Sadiq Khan turned on him. | |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 11:35 - Dec 18 with 614 views | Ebo |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 22:06 - Dec 17 by Catullus |
Yes but he still lost his seat, he wasn't a remainer but he still became a victim of Labours lack of direction, trying to be all things to everybody. Or maybe they ousted him because he's very old? Either way Labour lost a lot of votes because of Corbyn and the policies that he claimed won him the argument! He's taken a hiding for that, even Sadiq Khan turned on him. |
The policies were popular though, what finished him off was the whole brexit thing and the huge murdoch led media campaign against him. You could be the best leader ever but if you have not got Murdoch on your side you won't win anything. |  |
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| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 12:59 - Dec 18 with 582 views | Lohengrin |
| What do we think of Douglas Murray’s comments this time then? on 11:35 - Dec 18 by Ebo |
The policies were popular though, what finished him off was the whole brexit thing and the huge murdoch led media campaign against him. You could be the best leader ever but if you have not got Murdoch on your side you won't win anything. |
Jess Phillips was on the radio this morning talking about media bias. She made the point, deadly accurate, that all the ammunition the red tops were firing at Corbyn was manufactured and supplied by his own words and past associations.
Can you imagine the job she would have had trying to sell him on doorsteps in proximity to the site of the Birmingham bombings? Labour canvassers had people screaming at them. | |
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