| Welsh left wing,English right wing. 13:08 - Jan 1 with 1499 views | ladyjack |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 13:38 - Jan 1 with 1464 views | ladyjack |
Plaid voters Welsh, Conservative voters English is a generalisation that is hard to get away from but I do know of non Welsh Plaid voters and on the other hand Welsh Conservative voters. | | | |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 13:50 - Jan 1 with 1432 views | Lohengrin |
You know climate change is more than idle theory if mushrooms are out this early... |  |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 14:00 - Jan 1 with 1407 views | ladyjack |
The Profs stats tie in with the old 3 Wales model. [Post edited 1 Jan 2020 14:01]
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 17:50 - Jan 1 with 1278 views | Catullus |
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
Academics come up with theories and then find the facts that back them up and stats can be made to say whatever you want to say. |  |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 17:53 - Jan 1 with 1268 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 17:50 - Jan 1 by Catullus |
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
Academics come up with theories and then find the facts that back them up and stats can be made to say whatever you want to say. |
Increasingly so these days unfortunately. |  |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 18:50 - Jan 1 with 1217 views | ladyjack |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 19:31 - Jan 1 with 1171 views | PentyrchJack |
The way we are playing I would take a left and right winger. |  |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 20:58 - Jan 1 with 1101 views | ladyjack |
Griffiths is the general secretary of the Communist Party of Britain and they are against Britain being members of the European Union. | | | |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 10:03 - Jan 2 with 1016 views | LeonWasGod |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 18:50 - Jan 1 by ladyjack |
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My old fella's one of them. A fully signed-up member of the Daily Mail whinging about foreigners being a drain on society club. The irony of him moving to Wales on retirement and being a regular user of the NHS is completely lost on him. |  | | |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 10:54 - Jan 2 with 981 views | Joe_bradshaw |
The obvious solution is to stop the free movement of people across the English/Welsh border.
Trumpie should campaign to build a wall to stop the English invasion and should make sure that the English pay for it as well. |  |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 10:54 - Jan 2 with 981 views | AnotherJohn |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 10:03 - Jan 2 by LeonWasGod |
My old fella's one of them. A fully signed-up member of the Daily Mail whinging about foreigners being a drain on society club. The irony of him moving to Wales on retirement and being a regular user of the NHS is completely lost on him. |
Irony for an older man who has paid tax all his life to use the NHS? As to whether an English-born retiree imposes an unfair burden on NHS Wales, well, first it helps to understand how public services are funded in the post-devolution UK. I'd say your father is using what he helped pay for.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/twenty-years-on-from-devolution | | | |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 12:54 - Jan 2 with 923 views | LeonWasGod |
Yeah, he fits into the broad picture they are talking about in that article: paying less tax now in Wales (than he did in England) but using the NHS a lot more than he did when he was working in England. So a double whammy for Wales' finances - low tax take and higher public service cost.
But of course he's contributed in the UK over his working life and is entirely eligible now; I didn't say differently. I simply see the irony in someone moving to a region and relying on public services parroting the Leave camp claims that people moving to a region is killing public services (when EU immigrants normally make a positive contribution to the public purse). | | | |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 14:18 - Jan 2 with 874 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 12:54 - Jan 2 by LeonWasGod |
Yeah, he fits into the broad picture they are talking about in that article: paying less tax now in Wales (than he did in England) but using the NHS a lot more than he did when he was working in England. So a double whammy for Wales' finances - low tax take and higher public service cost.
But of course he's contributed in the UK over his working life and is entirely eligible now; I didn't say differently. I simply see the irony in someone moving to a region and relying on public services parroting the Leave camp claims that people moving to a region is killing public services (when EU immigrants normally make a positive contribution to the public purse). |
It's the politics of difference often employed by those promoting tolerance and diversity, ironically. | |
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 18:54 - Jan 2 with 798 views | AnotherJohn |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 12:54 - Jan 2 by LeonWasGod |
Yeah, he fits into the broad picture they are talking about in that article: paying less tax now in Wales (than he did in England) but using the NHS a lot more than he did when he was working in England. So a double whammy for Wales' finances - low tax take and higher public service cost.
But of course he's contributed in the UK over his working life and is entirely eligible now; I didn't say differently. I simply see the irony in someone moving to a region and relying on public services parroting the Leave camp claims that people moving to a region is killing public services (when EU immigrants normally make a positive contribution to the public purse). |
You missed the key point about the Barnett formula and the transfer payment from England that subsidizes public services in Wales. Therefore your father's tax contributions down through the years have helped support the Welsh NHS. He is not moving between fiscal jurisdictions that are entirely separate, as an incomer from outside would be.
Risk pooling for the NHS has two dimensions. At any given time the tax contributions of the better off and healthy help support those who are less well off or need to make heavier use of NHS services. Then there is the cross subsidisation that occurs through the life course, with most people contributing tax income throughout their working lives, but the highest costs on the NHS arising from child and reproductive services and services for older people. Your father contributed in both ways, while a recent migrant from outside will not have done. Of course, that does not mean that we should not help deserving refugees or people whose skills we need, but your argument about your father's situation is off target. [Post edited 2 Jan 2020 18:58]
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| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 19:23 - Jan 2 with 783 views | LeonWasGod |
| Welsh left wing,English right wing. on 18:54 - Jan 2 by AnotherJohn |
You missed the key point about the Barnett formula and the transfer payment from England that subsidizes public services in Wales. Therefore your father's tax contributions down through the years have helped support the Welsh NHS. He is not moving between fiscal jurisdictions that are entirely separate, as an incomer from outside would be.
Risk pooling for the NHS has two dimensions. At any given time the tax contributions of the better off and healthy help support those who are less well off or need to make heavier use of NHS services. Then there is the cross subsidisation that occurs through the life course, with most people contributing tax income throughout their working lives, but the highest costs on the NHS arising from child and reproductive services and services for older people. Your father contributed in both ways, while a recent migrant from outside will not have done. Of course, that does not mean that we should not help deserving refugees or people whose skills we need, but your argument about your father's situation is off target. [Post edited 2 Jan 2020 18:58]
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You missed the key point where I said he deserves access. Access isn’t the issue; believing bullsh*t about immigrants is. | | | |
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