| The Labour Party 15:16 - Jan 5 with 19747 views | Pegojack |
I watched the Andrew Marr Show this morning from beginning to end and, as a lifelong Labour Party voter and supporter, I have to say I was moderately encouraged.
The election defeat was about as devastating a kicking as a political party can sustain but, and it's a big but, if the party has learned the lesson and has the good sense to choose Kier Starmer as leader, with maybe Jess Philips or Lisa Tandy as deputy, the next five years could be very interesting.
Dominic Raab did nothing to assuage my opinion that he's an incompetent idiot way out of his depth, and I think he's indicative of the general level of incompetence in Boris's cabinet. I think Starmer's clinical and incisive lawyer's mind will make mincemeat of the Eton windbag and his collection of disfunctional idiots. If they can clear out all vestiges of Corbynism and keep chipping away at Boris as the disaster of five years of unchecked extreme right wing Toryism unfolds, I see a promising future for Labour.
What do you think, chaps and chapesses? Always interested in particular in the balanced opinions of Kerouac, Jango and the Symonds Yat village idiot. |  | | |  |
| The Labour Party on 15:01 - Jan 20 with 1407 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Labour Party on 03:28 - Jan 17 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Here I am am lover boy 😘.
He did indeed play a blinder .Then the Labour Party backed the remoaners who thought they all knew better about what people wanted .......but Democracy won the day for the 2nd time of asking , don’t mess with democracy you’ll get stung just like the Labour Party and the amazing Centrists Lib Dem’s . |
Thats utter crap Tommy. The majority of Labour voters voted to remain in 2016, including leave seats that Labour held.
And our Brexit position wasn't the "remoaner" position. The Labour Party backed Corbyns favoured Brexit position in conference in September. The "remoaner" position was to back remain and if we'd gone with that position we might've saved a few seats. Useless, sycophantic MPs like Laura Pidcock lost their seats because of their unwavering support for Jezziahs Brexit fudge. Incidentally the Tory majority in North West Durham is smaller than the number of votes for the Green Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/23/brexit-latest-news-labour-
Backing Brexit did little to save Dennis Skinner, Laura Smith, Gareth Snell, Ruth Smeeth to name a few. Swansea, which is a leave city just reelected an ardent remainer in an incredibly marginal seat, and the same happened in Newport West. There's zero evidence to suggest committing to Brexit would've kept the seats we lost in 2019, let alone allow us to make sufficient gains to win an election. I've no doubt a fully pro brexit Labour party would never have been able to hold Gower or Newport West so there would be another two losses that would have to be offset elsewhere with tory gains in the country.
For the love of god Tommy, just look at the facts. Listen to the voters. Corbyn was the main reason we lost. People didn't like him or his farcical brexit waffling for three years.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/23/their-own-words
A few of us saw the writing on the wall early on and we warned this would happen, not because we hated Jeremy or socialism, but because we wanted the labour party to do well. For the last four years weve been called blairite scum and told to f*ck off and join the tories. Well guess what, people did, now look where we are. |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 15:44 - Jan 20 with 1386 views | Lohengrin |
| The Labour Party on 15:01 - Jan 20 by Ace_Jack |
Thats utter crap Tommy. The majority of Labour voters voted to remain in 2016, including leave seats that Labour held.
And our Brexit position wasn't the "remoaner" position. The Labour Party backed Corbyns favoured Brexit position in conference in September. The "remoaner" position was to back remain and if we'd gone with that position we might've saved a few seats. Useless, sycophantic MPs like Laura Pidcock lost their seats because of their unwavering support for Jezziahs Brexit fudge. Incidentally the Tory majority in North West Durham is smaller than the number of votes for the Green Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/23/brexit-latest-news-labour-
Backing Brexit did little to save Dennis Skinner, Laura Smith, Gareth Snell, Ruth Smeeth to name a few. Swansea, which is a leave city just reelected an ardent remainer in an incredibly marginal seat, and the same happened in Newport West. There's zero evidence to suggest committing to Brexit would've kept the seats we lost in 2019, let alone allow us to make sufficient gains to win an election. I've no doubt a fully pro brexit Labour party would never have been able to hold Gower or Newport West so there would be another two losses that would have to be offset elsewhere with tory gains in the country.
For the love of god Tommy, just look at the facts. Listen to the voters. Corbyn was the main reason we lost. People didn't like him or his farcical brexit waffling for three years.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/23/their-own-words
A few of us saw the writing on the wall early on and we warned this would happen, not because we hated Jeremy or socialism, but because we wanted the labour party to do well. For the last four years weve been called blairite scum and told to f*ck off and join the tories. Well guess what, people did, now look where we are. |
”... Jezziahs Brexit fudge.”
I bought a box of that on the way back from Georgeham last Thursday for my mother-in-law. Tasteless, very bland. 
On a lighter note young Ace I’ve been amused to watch the discomfort amongst a section of Momentum’s Marxian malefactors on discovering that Long-Bailey is a practicing Catholic. That makes her a Fascist, obviously, as she doesn’t have the Erin immunity card to play. That would have been different as she would have ran barefoot and hungry on cobbled streets as a child while land agents beat her poor, widowed mother with riding crops.
They’re a strange crowd the woke. |  |
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| The Labour Party on 16:09 - Jan 20 with 1375 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| The Labour Party on 15:01 - Jan 20 by Ace_Jack |
Thats utter crap Tommy. The majority of Labour voters voted to remain in 2016, including leave seats that Labour held.
And our Brexit position wasn't the "remoaner" position. The Labour Party backed Corbyns favoured Brexit position in conference in September. The "remoaner" position was to back remain and if we'd gone with that position we might've saved a few seats. Useless, sycophantic MPs like Laura Pidcock lost their seats because of their unwavering support for Jezziahs Brexit fudge. Incidentally the Tory majority in North West Durham is smaller than the number of votes for the Green Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/23/brexit-latest-news-labour-
Backing Brexit did little to save Dennis Skinner, Laura Smith, Gareth Snell, Ruth Smeeth to name a few. Swansea, which is a leave city just reelected an ardent remainer in an incredibly marginal seat, and the same happened in Newport West. There's zero evidence to suggest committing to Brexit would've kept the seats we lost in 2019, let alone allow us to make sufficient gains to win an election. I've no doubt a fully pro brexit Labour party would never have been able to hold Gower or Newport West so there would be another two losses that would have to be offset elsewhere with tory gains in the country.
For the love of god Tommy, just look at the facts. Listen to the voters. Corbyn was the main reason we lost. People didn't like him or his farcical brexit waffling for three years.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/23/their-own-words
A few of us saw the writing on the wall early on and we warned this would happen, not because we hated Jeremy or socialism, but because we wanted the labour party to do well. For the last four years weve been called blairite scum and told to f*ck off and join the tories. Well guess what, people did, now look where we are. |
The northern red wall smashed to the floor by 50 odd of the leave seats .......Don’t listen to the people , you get your just desserts. .......Refer Scottish Labour [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 16:12]
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| The Labour Party on 16:20 - Jan 20 with 1364 views | Highjack |
| The Labour Party on 16:09 - Jan 20 by oh_tommy_tommy |
The northern red wall smashed to the floor by 50 odd of the leave seats .......Don’t listen to the people , you get your just desserts. .......Refer Scottish Labour [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 16:12]
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At least someone on the labour side has learned the lesson of recent times. You should run for leader. |  |
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| The Labour Party on 17:23 - Jan 20 with 1333 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Labour Party on 15:44 - Jan 20 by Lohengrin |
”... Jezziahs Brexit fudge.”
I bought a box of that on the way back from Georgeham last Thursday for my mother-in-law. Tasteless, very bland.
On a lighter note young Ace I’ve been amused to watch the discomfort amongst a section of Momentum’s Marxian malefactors on discovering that Long-Bailey is a practicing Catholic. That makes her a Fascist, obviously, as she doesn’t have the Erin immunity card to play. That would have been different as she would have ran barefoot and hungry on cobbled streets as a child while land agents beat her poor, widowed mother with riding crops.
They’re a strange crowd the woke. |
Look, I'm not voting for RLB at all and i think she'd be a disaster but i thought the abortion stuff that was dredged up was a massively unfair characterization of her position.
From experience i'd wager her being a woman would be a bigger hindrance for her backers in momentum. Some of the proper cranks have been immensely thirsty for Lavery or Gardiner and now wont back RLB because she's signed the board of deputies campaign pledge or something.
The momentum troublemakers certainly aren't woke. Completely the opposite in fact. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 17:38 - Jan 20 with 1318 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Labour Party on 16:09 - Jan 20 by oh_tommy_tommy |
The northern red wall smashed to the floor by 50 odd of the leave seats .......Don’t listen to the people , you get your just desserts. .......Refer Scottish Labour [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 16:12]
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Simple answers to complex questions is exactly what got us in this mess Tommy. Stop peddling them if you want to see a Labour government in your lifetime again.
Corbyn was a bigger deterrent than Brexit. That's backed up by the figures. The Labour Party was crap on Brexit because Jeremy wouldn't get off the fence. It allowed leavers to paint us as remainers and remainers as leavers. We had no credibility on the issue because no-one knew what we stood for, and thats a problem we can trace right back to the referendum campaign. Remember when he said we should've triggered article 50 immediately the day after the election ffs?
Do you honestly think we'd have had a better result if we'd been a firm brexit party? Do you have anything that would back up that assumption?
Jeremy was the most unpopular leader of the opposition in 40 years, he had the membership composition he wanted, he had the shadow cabinet he wanted, he had the NEC he wanted, he had the Brexit policy he wanted, he had the Clause V meeting he wanted, he had all the staff in top positions in HQ he wanted, he had the General Election campaign he wanted, yet Corbynistas like yourself cannot attribute blame to him. No wonder they call it a cult.
"It's the damn PLP, or those bloody zionists, or the media. They never wanted Jeremy from the start and if only the PLP had backed him he'd be prime minister now"
It's like listening to people say we would've won in 1983 if Dennis Healey had backed Foot on nuclear disarmament. Sometimes I'm really glad I've walked away from being an active member. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 17:38 - Jan 20 with 1317 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Labour Party on 16:20 - Jan 20 by Highjack |
At least someone on the labour side has learned the lesson of recent times. You should run for leader. |
On the grounds he’s more bonkers and deluded than Corbyn?
He’d be in with a shout... |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 17:45 - Jan 20 with 1309 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Labour Party on 17:38 - Jan 20 by Ace_Jack |
Simple answers to complex questions is exactly what got us in this mess Tommy. Stop peddling them if you want to see a Labour government in your lifetime again.
Corbyn was a bigger deterrent than Brexit. That's backed up by the figures. The Labour Party was crap on Brexit because Jeremy wouldn't get off the fence. It allowed leavers to paint us as remainers and remainers as leavers. We had no credibility on the issue because no-one knew what we stood for, and thats a problem we can trace right back to the referendum campaign. Remember when he said we should've triggered article 50 immediately the day after the election ffs?
Do you honestly think we'd have had a better result if we'd been a firm brexit party? Do you have anything that would back up that assumption?
Jeremy was the most unpopular leader of the opposition in 40 years, he had the membership composition he wanted, he had the shadow cabinet he wanted, he had the NEC he wanted, he had the Brexit policy he wanted, he had the Clause V meeting he wanted, he had all the staff in top positions in HQ he wanted, he had the General Election campaign he wanted, yet Corbynistas like yourself cannot attribute blame to him. No wonder they call it a cult.
"It's the damn PLP, or those bloody zionists, or the media. They never wanted Jeremy from the start and if only the PLP had backed him he'd be prime minister now"
It's like listening to people say we would've won in 1983 if Dennis Healey had backed Foot on nuclear disarmament. Sometimes I'm really glad I've walked away from being an active member. |
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| The Labour Party on 17:57 - Jan 20 with 1300 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Labour Party on 17:38 - Jan 20 by WarwickHunt |
On the grounds he’s more bonkers and deluded than Corbyn?
He’d be in with a shout... |
Not taking lessons on learning or listening to voters from the faction that made people like this cretin an inescapable part of the Labour discourse.
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| The Labour Party on 18:10 - Jan 20 with 1297 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| The Labour Party on 17:38 - Jan 20 by Ace_Jack |
Simple answers to complex questions is exactly what got us in this mess Tommy. Stop peddling them if you want to see a Labour government in your lifetime again.
Corbyn was a bigger deterrent than Brexit. That's backed up by the figures. The Labour Party was crap on Brexit because Jeremy wouldn't get off the fence. It allowed leavers to paint us as remainers and remainers as leavers. We had no credibility on the issue because no-one knew what we stood for, and thats a problem we can trace right back to the referendum campaign. Remember when he said we should've triggered article 50 immediately the day after the election ffs?
Do you honestly think we'd have had a better result if we'd been a firm brexit party? Do you have anything that would back up that assumption?
Jeremy was the most unpopular leader of the opposition in 40 years, he had the membership composition he wanted, he had the shadow cabinet he wanted, he had the NEC he wanted, he had the Brexit policy he wanted, he had the Clause V meeting he wanted, he had all the staff in top positions in HQ he wanted, he had the General Election campaign he wanted, yet Corbynistas like yourself cannot attribute blame to him. No wonder they call it a cult.
"It's the damn PLP, or those bloody zionists, or the media. They never wanted Jeremy from the start and if only the PLP had backed him he'd be prime minister now"
It's like listening to people say we would've won in 1983 if Dennis Healey had backed Foot on nuclear disarmament. Sometimes I'm really glad I've walked away from being an active member. |
The “simple answer to the complex question “was respect the result of the referendum.
They didn’t and that was that .
The Brexit vote was won twice .
The complexity of it was respect the people who were very angry that Parliament was trying to stop their democratic vote , I heard it in the work place & in the pubs .
“GET BREXIT DONE” won the day even remainers were fed up of it all and wanted it done . | |
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| The Labour Party on 18:22 - Jan 20 with 1276 views | Best_loser |
| The Labour Party on 18:10 - Jan 20 by oh_tommy_tommy |
The “simple answer to the complex question “was respect the result of the referendum.
They didn’t and that was that .
The Brexit vote was won twice .
The complexity of it was respect the people who were very angry that Parliament was trying to stop their democratic vote , I heard it in the work place & in the pubs .
“GET BREXIT DONE” won the day even remainers were fed up of it all and wanted it done . |
The tory victory in December had very little to do with brexit
Almost everything to do with the unpopularity of corbyn and momentum |  | | |
| The Labour Party on 18:29 - Jan 20 with 1269 views | Highjack |
| The Labour Party on 18:22 - Jan 20 by Best_loser |
The tory victory in December had very little to do with brexit
Almost everything to do with the unpopularity of corbyn and momentum |
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| The Labour Party on 18:29 - Jan 20 with 1268 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Labour Party on 18:10 - Jan 20 by oh_tommy_tommy |
The “simple answer to the complex question “was respect the result of the referendum.
They didn’t and that was that .
The Brexit vote was won twice .
The complexity of it was respect the people who were very angry that Parliament was trying to stop their democratic vote , I heard it in the work place & in the pubs .
“GET BREXIT DONE” won the day even remainers were fed up of it all and wanted it done . |
Parties in favour of a second referendum actually got more votes than ones opposed to it at the last general election but there we are.
Well the data shows more people were unhappy with us because of how utter sh*t the Jezziah was but you’re completely unwilling to engage on that point.
Again, the parties Brexit position was HIS preferred position. He wanted it, he got it, he took us into an election with it. We didn’t need to have that election but we did because Corbyn wanted it. There were plenty of his own MPs warning against him falling head first into Johnson’s trap but he did it anyway.
The government couldn’t win a vote two months ago, now they’ve got an 80 seat majority thanks to the f**king blairites in the PLP amiright? Poor Jeremy. Never was a leader less culpable for their own leadership mistakes... | | | |
| The Labour Party on 18:43 - Jan 20 with 1261 views | waynekerr55 |
| The Labour Party on 17:57 - Jan 20 by Ace_Jack |
Not taking lessons on learning or listening to voters from the faction that made people like this cretin an inescapable part of the Labour discourse.
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Bastani. If ever there was an example of a human with less brains than a pork pie, it's him and the rest of the Novarra twà ts |  |
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| The Labour Party on 19:10 - Jan 20 with 1245 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| The Labour Party on 16:20 - Jan 20 by Highjack |
At least someone on the labour side has learned the lesson of recent times. You should run for leader. |
They’d not have an old welsh socialist,the last one got battered by the MSM for exactly that . | |
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| The Labour Party on 19:39 - Jan 20 with 1229 views | majorraglan |
| The Labour Party on 18:29 - Jan 20 by Ace_Jack |
Parties in favour of a second referendum actually got more votes than ones opposed to it at the last general election but there we are.
Well the data shows more people were unhappy with us because of how utter sh*t the Jezziah was but you’re completely unwilling to engage on that point.
Again, the parties Brexit position was HIS preferred position. He wanted it, he got it, he took us into an election with it. We didn’t need to have that election but we did because Corbyn wanted it. There were plenty of his own MPs warning against him falling head first into Johnson’s trap but he did it anyway.
The government couldn’t win a vote two months ago, now they’ve got an 80 seat majority thanks to the f**king blairites in the PLP amiright? Poor Jeremy. Never was a leader less culpable for their own leadership mistakes... |
Brexit was an issue for some. I know people who voted Tory to get it through, but there is no getting away from it far more people had an issue with Corbyn than Brexit. My belief stems from speaking to real working class people.
If Labour Party people want to bury their head in the sand then so be it, to quote Einstein - Insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Electing RLB is more of the same.
I still can’t believe Swinson and Sturgeon were dull enough to agreed to a GE, the latter has strengthened her position within her party and with the Scottish electorate, but in terms of the bigger picture Boris has the numbers to do whatever he wishes and he can marginalise her in Westminster. Once the others were in favour of a GE, Corbyn had no choice other than to run with it, but I believe the writing was on the wall well before the GE was called and I suspect people inside the Labour Party knew the game was up. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 19:41]
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| The Labour Party on 19:52 - Jan 20 with 1218 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Labour Party on 18:10 - Jan 20 by oh_tommy_tommy |
The “simple answer to the complex question “was respect the result of the referendum.
They didn’t and that was that .
The Brexit vote was won twice .
The complexity of it was respect the people who were very angry that Parliament was trying to stop their democratic vote , I heard it in the work place & in the pubs .
“GET BREXIT DONE” won the day even remainers were fed up of it all and wanted it done . |
Because thanks to the fûcking idiot Corbyn and the utterly hopeless Swinson there was no realistic alternative. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 19:58 - Jan 20 with 1210 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Labour Party on 19:39 - Jan 20 by majorraglan |
Brexit was an issue for some. I know people who voted Tory to get it through, but there is no getting away from it far more people had an issue with Corbyn than Brexit. My belief stems from speaking to real working class people.
If Labour Party people want to bury their head in the sand then so be it, to quote Einstein - Insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Electing RLB is more of the same.
I still can’t believe Swinson and Sturgeon were dull enough to agreed to a GE, the latter has strengthened her position within her party and with the Scottish electorate, but in terms of the bigger picture Boris has the numbers to do whatever he wishes and he can marginalise her in Westminster. Once the others were in favour of a GE, Corbyn had no choice other than to run with it, but I believe the writing was on the wall well before the GE was called and I suspect people inside the Labour Party knew the game was up. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 19:41]
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Nope
I think the Labour party believed that magic grandad would somehow win. Why the feck is he still there ?
Nobody can cage Scotland.
Scotland will be free.
Labour should have gone full on Revoke and Remain from day 1.
Corbyn enabled Brexit.
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| The Labour Party on 20:02 - Jan 20 with 1206 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Labour Party on 19:10 - Jan 20 by oh_tommy_tommy |
They’d not have an old welsh socialist,the last one got battered by the MSM for exactly that . |
MSM! You’ve just won Momentum bingo!
Coconut on its way, comrade. | | | |
| The Labour Party on 20:27 - Jan 20 with 1200 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| The Labour Party on 20:02 - Jan 20 by WarwickHunt |
MSM! You’ve just won Momentum bingo!
Coconut on its way, comrade. |
You’ll get over it ðŸ‘🻠| |
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| The Labour Party on 16:30 - Jan 21 with 1130 views | Highjack |
I’m so sorry to have to bring you such terrible news for everyone around the globe. Jess Phillips has dropped out of the contest. | |
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| The Labour Party on 16:45 - Jan 21 with 1123 views | Lohengrin |
| The Labour Party on 16:30 - Jan 21 by Highjack |
I’m so sorry to have to bring you such terrible news for everyone around the globe. Jess Phillips has dropped out of the contest. |
Ah! well. Still, on the upside, now she’s got a bit of time on her hands perhaps she can get her hair done...
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| The Labour Party on 17:11 - Jan 21 with 1101 views | Pegojack |
| The Labour Party on 16:30 - Jan 21 by Highjack |
I’m so sorry to have to bring you such terrible news for everyone around the globe. Jess Phillips has dropped out of the contest. |
We all know it's going to come down to a contest between the relatively sensible candidate Starmer and the Stalinist (and Boris Johnson) choice Wrong-Daily.
WTF is it neccessary to drag it out for three months? Feckin get on with it, and put Corbyn out of his misery! | | | |
| The Labour Party on 17:14 - Jan 21 with 1097 views | Highjack |
| The Labour Party on 17:11 - Jan 21 by Pegojack |
We all know it's going to come down to a contest between the relatively sensible candidate Starmer and the Stalinist (and Boris Johnson) choice Wrong-Daily.
WTF is it neccessary to drag it out for three months? Feckin get on with it, and put Corbyn out of his misery! |
It’s a period of reflection where they can reflect and analyse where they’ve gone wrong in recent times. They’ll probably need more than three months. | |
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| The Labour Party on 17:21 - Jan 21 with 1090 views | Lohengrin |
| The Labour Party on 17:11 - Jan 21 by Pegojack |
We all know it's going to come down to a contest between the relatively sensible candidate Starmer and the Stalinist (and Boris Johnson) choice Wrong-Daily.
WTF is it neccessary to drag it out for three months? Feckin get on with it, and put Corbyn out of his misery! |
Then again a fool and his money are easily parted, as they say... | |
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