| Ayew & Celina 10:43 - Jan 20 with 4285 views | NotLoyal |
Any sales will encourage more asset stripping allegations.
Deal with it.
If the club is serious about promotion they are most certainly required for the next 18 games. That's 36 points. Takes us to 81 points maximum total. I'm not sure that will even win the league.
We have the play offs as a second best, that's another potential 3 games plus severe stress on the squad. Ayew and Celina with what we have is definitely required, the yanks have come this far, spent nothing but through Cooper got in some decent loans.
If they get greedy again we may as well knock it on the head now, leave the decisions until May, see what we have, they could easily be 150 million better off than a greedy grab at 10 or 15. |  |
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| Ayew & Celina on 15:59 - Jan 20 with 902 views | Badlands |
| Ayew & Celina on 14:35 - Jan 20 by LeonWasGod |
I don't see what Brexit's got to do with it. |
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If we are not in the EU where freedom to live and work are enshrined in law European players revert to the status of 'elite' and will require work permits.
https://latitudelaw.com/news/the-fas-policy-on-non-eu-football-players-and-possi
The FA will grant endorsement for a work permit to elite football players who are internationally established at the highest level.
The appeals set out criteria which some would meet but many won't. Montero only just managed to satisfy the standard when he returned form his loan to Getafe /Emelec.
Not sure how may of our imports from overseas would meet the appeals level
But Brexit may ell have a big impact. |  |
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| Ayew & Celina on 16:46 - Jan 20 with 843 views | Chief |
| Ayew & Celina on 14:32 - Jan 20 by NotLoyal |
Most deserved at the time.
This is definitely a different scenario. |
Yes I agree |  |
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| Ayew & Celina on 17:06 - Jan 20 with 833 views | KGriz16 |
| Ayew & Celina on 11:57 - Jan 20 by NotLoyal |
Prove it as that's how you see the thread going. |
It's you who should be proving otherwise as you've made the allegations as well as the other 1000 posters on here. The accounts are there for all to observe. You say otherwise. You prove yourself! |  | | |
| Ayew & Celina on 18:32 - Jan 20 with 747 views | NotLoyal |
| Ayew & Celina on 17:06 - Jan 20 by KGriz16 |
It's you who should be proving otherwise as you've made the allegations as well as the other 1000 posters on here. The accounts are there for all to observe. You say otherwise. You prove yourself! |
Did you actually read the original post properly? | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 18:36 - Jan 20 with 741 views | majorraglan |
| Ayew & Celina on 17:06 - Jan 20 by KGriz16 |
It's you who should be proving otherwise as you've made the allegations as well as the other 1000 posters on here. The accounts are there for all to observe. You say otherwise. You prove yourself! |
My understanding is that the management accounts are available, but the detailed accounts are not available to the Trust unless they sign some kind of non disclosure agreement. My understanding is that to see what’s gone/going on you need the detailed accounts, their unavailability gives rise to suspicion amongst the fans that the owners are trying to hide something.
I am not saying that there’s anything going on, it’s just the perception fans can draw. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 21:47]
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| Ayew & Celina on 18:40 - Jan 20 with 729 views | LeonWasGod |
| Ayew & Celina on 15:59 - Jan 20 by Badlands |
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If we are not in the EU where freedom to live and work are enshrined in law European players revert to the status of 'elite' and will require work permits.
https://latitudelaw.com/news/the-fas-policy-on-non-eu-football-players-and-possi
The FA will grant endorsement for a work permit to elite football players who are internationally established at the highest level.
The appeals set out criteria which some would meet but many won't. Montero only just managed to satisfy the standard when he returned form his loan to Getafe /Emelec.
Not sure how may of our imports from overseas would meet the appeals level
But Brexit may ell have a big impact. |
I was only dicking about, but that’s quite interesting. From a quick glance I can’t see what’ll happen to players already at clubs. It’ll be interesting if they need visas too (as you’d expect). Could shake things up quite a bit.
Edit - just to add, it would probably have meant we wouldn’t have seen players like Michu, Chico, Rangel and Ferrie here in the past. VdH, Mulder, Baston would be unlikely to get work permits. Celina probably would. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 19:09]
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| Ayew & Celina on 18:46 - Jan 20 with 726 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Ayew & Celina on 10:49 - Jan 20 by KGriz16 |
They've never taken a penny out the club. ffs. |
We had the largest transfer surplus in the Premier league, the summer before Swansea was relegated. By far.
Then, we immediately that follow up with the largest transfer surplus in the Championship, the next summer. Again, by far.
You could argue that they were making up for past mismanagement, but it's still a bit ridiculous. And while your statement is probably correct as far as I understand; for the above to coincide with Levien spending boatloads on DC United (on Rooney among other things) merits a few raised eyebrows about his priorities. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 18:46]
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| Ayew & Celina on 18:56 - Jan 20 with 707 views | jack247 |
| Ayew & Celina on 18:46 - Jan 20 by Tummer_from_Texas |
We had the largest transfer surplus in the Premier league, the summer before Swansea was relegated. By far.
Then, we immediately that follow up with the largest transfer surplus in the Championship, the next summer. Again, by far.
You could argue that they were making up for past mismanagement, but it's still a bit ridiculous. And while your statement is probably correct as far as I understand; for the above to coincide with Levien spending boatloads on DC United (on Rooney among other things) merits a few raised eyebrows about his priorities. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 18:46]
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There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind we are nowhere near the top of their list of priorities. We’re a failed investment until the time we get back to the PL. They are treating us like a bad debt.
That doesn’t mean they are syphoning money out of us and ploughing it into D.C. United. The notion is ridiculous. | | | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 18:59 - Jan 20 with 707 views | swan65split |
| Ayew & Celina on 15:59 - Jan 20 by Badlands |
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If we are not in the EU where freedom to live and work are enshrined in law European players revert to the status of 'elite' and will require work permits.
https://latitudelaw.com/news/the-fas-policy-on-non-eu-football-players-and-possi
The FA will grant endorsement for a work permit to elite football players who are internationally established at the highest level.
The appeals set out criteria which some would meet but many won't. Montero only just managed to satisfy the standard when he returned form his loan to Getafe /Emelec.
Not sure how may of our imports from overseas would meet the appeals level
But Brexit may ell have a big impact. |
Well lets be honest about him, hes done very little in his time here. plenty of medical treatment mind. |  | | |
| Ayew & Celina on 19:29 - Jan 20 with 656 views | longlostjack |
| Ayew & Celina on 18:46 - Jan 20 by Tummer_from_Texas |
We had the largest transfer surplus in the Premier league, the summer before Swansea was relegated. By far.
Then, we immediately that follow up with the largest transfer surplus in the Championship, the next summer. Again, by far.
You could argue that they were making up for past mismanagement, but it's still a bit ridiculous. And while your statement is probably correct as far as I understand; for the above to coincide with Levien spending boatloads on DC United (on Rooney among other things) merits a few raised eyebrows about his priorities. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 18:46]
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Not sure about that Tummer. Too obvious. They’ll be syphoning some money off somehow though. Consultancy fees relating to purchase of Liberty lease? Pearlman’s golden handshake? Pure speculation of course because none of us know. They could be Kosher. If they are then there’s no reason not to provide the Trust with a detailed breakdown of the management accounts. Why the lack of transparency? Just fuels speculation. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 19:30]
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| Ayew & Celina on 19:52 - Jan 20 with 624 views | jasper_T |
| Ayew & Celina on 18:36 - Jan 20 by majorraglan |
My understanding is that the management accounts are available, but the detailed accounts are not available to the Trust unless they sign some kind of non disclosure agreement. My understanding is that to see what’s gone/going on you need the detailed accounts, their unavailability gives rise to suspicion amongst the fans that the owners are trying to hide something.
I am not saying that there’s anything going on, it’s just the perception fans can draw. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 21:47]
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My understanding was that the management accounts weren't being made available around the summer of 2018 unless Stuart McDonald signed an NDA, which gave rise to suspicion, but that issue was worked out within a few months and the trust has been seeing the monthly accounts as they always have ever since. The trust see no indication of sums leaving the club from what they see but it's impossible to ever be sure unless you're running a 24/7 spy operation. | | | |
| Ayew & Celina on 20:20 - Jan 20 with 579 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ayew & Celina on 18:46 - Jan 20 by Tummer_from_Texas |
We had the largest transfer surplus in the Premier league, the summer before Swansea was relegated. By far.
Then, we immediately that follow up with the largest transfer surplus in the Championship, the next summer. Again, by far.
You could argue that they were making up for past mismanagement, but it's still a bit ridiculous. And while your statement is probably correct as far as I understand; for the above to coincide with Levien spending boatloads on DC United (on Rooney among other things) merits a few raised eyebrows about his priorities. [Post edited 20 Jan 2020 18:46]
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That’s only part of the story Tummer.
As an example, Ayew (first time round) and Gomis etc were huge costs to the club that wouldn’t show in a transfer surplus type calculation as they were ostensibly ‘free’ transfers. The costs to the club, however, were extremely high. | | | |
| Ayew & Celina on 20:21 - Jan 20 with 576 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ayew & Celina on 19:52 - Jan 20 by jasper_T |
My understanding was that the management accounts weren't being made available around the summer of 2018 unless Stuart McDonald signed an NDA, which gave rise to suspicion, but that issue was worked out within a few months and the trust has been seeing the monthly accounts as they always have ever since. The trust see no indication of sums leaving the club from what they see but it's impossible to ever be sure unless you're running a 24/7 spy operation. |
Your understanding is incorrect and simplistic. | | | |
| Ayew & Celina on 20:28 - Jan 20 with 566 views | Cooperman |
| Ayew & Celina on 19:52 - Jan 20 by jasper_T |
My understanding was that the management accounts weren't being made available around the summer of 2018 unless Stuart McDonald signed an NDA, which gave rise to suspicion, but that issue was worked out within a few months and the trust has been seeing the monthly accounts as they always have ever since. The trust see no indication of sums leaving the club from what they see but it's impossible to ever be sure unless you're running a 24/7 spy operation. |
My understanding is different and that is that the Trust do not see sufficient detail of the monthly accounts to form judgment. |  |
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| Ayew & Celina on 20:54 - Jan 20 with 534 views | NotLoyal |
| Ayew & Celina on 20:28 - Jan 20 by Cooperman |
My understanding is different and that is that the Trust do not see sufficient detail of the monthly accounts to form judgment. |
Exactly. Lost on some. | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:09 - Jan 20 with 510 views | Neath_Jack |
| Ayew & Celina on 20:28 - Jan 20 by Cooperman |
My understanding is different and that is that the Trust do not see sufficient detail of the monthly accounts to form judgment. |
That's not what Lisa has said previously.
They do see the monthly accounts, and there is nothing in there to raise any alarms. She also says that there are more detailed accounts which they don't see, which detail the what and why's or something like that.
Lisa was a bit snarky with Jasper because she thinks he's someone connected to either the Americans or the sell outs, I forget which now but I'm sure she will be along to put me right. |  |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:15 - Jan 20 with 497 views | Dr_Winston |
I'm sure even if the Trust don't see the precise whereabouts of every penny £10m transferred to a Cayman Islands account would be pretty hard to miss. |  |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:16 - Jan 20 with 497 views | Luther27 |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:09 - Jan 20 by Neath_Jack |
That's not what Lisa has said previously.
They do see the monthly accounts, and there is nothing in there to raise any alarms. She also says that there are more detailed accounts which they don't see, which detail the what and why's or something like that.
Lisa was a bit snarky with Jasper because she thinks he's someone connected to either the Americans or the sell outs, I forget which now but I'm sure she will be along to put me right. |
Look out...  | | | |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:16 - Jan 20 with 497 views | NotLoyal |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:09 - Jan 20 by Neath_Jack |
That's not what Lisa has said previously.
They do see the monthly accounts, and there is nothing in there to raise any alarms. She also says that there are more detailed accounts which they don't see, which detail the what and why's or something like that.
Lisa was a bit snarky with Jasper because she thinks he's someone connected to either the Americans or the sell outs, I forget which now but I'm sure she will be along to put me right. |
And without 100% clarity and not what the trust want people to hear nobody is clear.
legal action anyone? | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:17 - Jan 20 with 492 views | Cooperman |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:09 - Jan 20 by Neath_Jack |
That's not what Lisa has said previously.
They do see the monthly accounts, and there is nothing in there to raise any alarms. She also says that there are more detailed accounts which they don't see, which detail the what and why's or something like that.
Lisa was a bit snarky with Jasper because she thinks he's someone connected to either the Americans or the sell outs, I forget which now but I'm sure she will be along to put me right. |
That's basically what I meant to imply. The Trust isn't able to the deep dive into the detail of the P&L as detail is held back. | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:18 - Jan 20 with 490 views | jackrmee |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:09 - Jan 20 by Neath_Jack |
That's not what Lisa has said previously.
They do see the monthly accounts, and there is nothing in there to raise any alarms. She also says that there are more detailed accounts which they don't see, which detail the what and why's or something like that.
Lisa was a bit snarky with Jasper because she thinks he's someone connected to either the Americans or the sell outs, I forget which now but I'm sure she will be along to put me right. |
That's basically what Cooperman said though...
they don't get to see the detailed accounts/sufficient detail to be able to form a judgement.
Which is what I thought too. |  |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:22 - Jan 20 with 481 views | Neath_Jack |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:17 - Jan 20 by Cooperman |
That's basically what I meant to imply. The Trust isn't able to the deep dive into the detail of the P&L as detail is held back. |
But what they have seen hasn't, or didn't raise any concerns, which i think is quite important. | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:24 - Jan 20 with 471 views | Neath_Jack |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:18 - Jan 20 by jackrmee |
That's basically what Cooperman said though...
they don't get to see the detailed accounts/sufficient detail to be able to form a judgement.
Which is what I thought too. |
Depends how you define a judgement i suppose.
Lisa has repeated many times on here, that in her opinion she has seen nothing in the accounts to raise any alarms. But with the rider that she hasn't seen a certain type of the accounts with the extra detail. | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:26 - Jan 20 with 463 views | thornabyswan |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:18 - Jan 20 by jackrmee |
That's basically what Cooperman said though...
they don't get to see the detailed accounts/sufficient detail to be able to form a judgement.
Which is what I thought too. |
The trust and the books how many times has this one been done now.
I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog day. | |
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| Ayew & Celina on 21:28 - Jan 20 with 457 views | Cooperman |
| Ayew & Celina on 21:24 - Jan 20 by Neath_Jack |
Depends how you define a judgement i suppose.
Lisa has repeated many times on here, that in her opinion she has seen nothing in the accounts to raise any alarms. But with the rider that she hasn't seen a certain type of the accounts with the extra detail. |
Aye, it's not what they've seen but more so what they haven't seen. | |
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