| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER 09:54 - Feb 25 with 4307 views | johnlangy |
This is a letter I sent to the EP on Sunday.
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Welsh votes count for almost nothing. It doesn’t matter how we vote, the Westminster government will be decided by voters in England. With just 40 MP’s Wales is represented in Westminster by just 6% of MP’s. If the boundary commission proposals are implemented and the 40 is reduced to 29 we’ll have just 4.5%.
In Assembly elections voters in Wales have TOTAL control over who runs the Welsh parliament. I’m no fan of Labour but the fact is that it was voters in Wales who elected them. And if we think they are doing a bad job we have the ability to vote them out. It’s our choice.
So I find it incredibly strange that some people want to abolish the Assembly and pass all their powers back to Westminster. To what end ? When Labour are in power in Westminster then, in theory, Wales IS represented. But that’s only because this coincides with what voters in England want. They decide who governs by having 533 MP’s to vote in. But even then, if England decides to vote Labour into government, the 40/29 Welsh Labour MP’s would still be just a small fraction of the 330 or so Labour MP’s in parliament. Their voice will still be minute.
Over the last 100 years there have been 28 General Elections. In that time Wales has NEVER voted for a Tory government but has had to endure being governed by the Torys after 20 of those elections.
So I’ll ask the question again. If Wales almost never gets the government it wants at Westminster what on earth is the logic in saying we should scrap the Welsh government and give what little control we have back to Westminster ?
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 10:07 - Feb 25 with 2891 views | Catullus |
I can't remember so I'll ask, are you for Indy but joing the EU? In which case I'll ask, how much of a voice would Wales have in the EU. We'd be an even smaller part of that with a smaller percentage voice.
Beside which surely your point is not accurate because anyone in Wales who voted Tory got the government they wanted, we returned 14 Tory MP's too. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 10:24 - Feb 25 with 2877 views | Highjack |
England have more MP’s because their population is about 50 odd million bigger than ours. |  |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 10:29 - Feb 25 with 2871 views | felixstowe_jack |
Instead wales is governed by the inept labour run Welsh Assembly. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 10:35 - Feb 25 with 2865 views | Highjack |
The situation is similar in the welsh elections too in that the big population centres choose the government. Places in west and north wales tend to lean more towards Plaid and Pembrokeshire/border areas are more Tory but because the South Wales cities and M4 corridor are traditional labour they’ll never get the government they vote for. You’re never going to get it completely fair. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 17:24 - Feb 25 with 2755 views | BarrySwan |
I see..... so what you're saying is that Wales only has 6% representation in Westminster which I get.
However my own constituency only has 1.6% direct representation in the Welsh Assembly which gives the same constituency virtually the lowest block grant in Wales to fund services with.
So going on your logic shouldn't we scrap the Welsh Assembly also as it doesn't really matter how we in the Vale of Glamorgan ( or any other constituency for that matter) vote as the voters have little or no control over the incompetent fools in Cardiff Bay? | | | |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 19:19 - Feb 25 with 2675 views | pikeypaul |
You say, Welsh votes count for almost nothing.
Its only fair dont you think ? since most are thick and vote like sheep for labour and to leave the unelected dictatorship do you not you think. 
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 21:36 - Feb 25 with 2591 views | Kilkennyjack |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 19:19 - Feb 25 by pikeypaul |
You say, Welsh votes count for almost nothing.
Its only fair dont you think ? since most are thick and vote like sheep for labour and to leave the unelected dictatorship do you not you think.
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Is it just welsh voters who are thick ? Or is it welsh people as a nation ?
Just wondering what your view is .... ? |  |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 22:21 - Feb 25 with 2564 views | LeonWasGod |
6% of the MPs for about 5% of the population isn’t it? I don’t think the number is the issue (but obviously we’ll be underrepresented if/when the boundary changes are made).
Westminster ignoring the views of the 3 devolved governments is another issue you haven’t touched on. Devolved issues are ok obviously, but anything else the default is Westminster has total say, even against views of the electorate. It can be autocratic (far less democratic than the EU way of working, Yet based on a fairly small sample admittedly, I suspect the same people would be quite happy handing over total power to Westminster, ironically). [Post edited 25 Feb 2020 22:24]
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 22:51 - Feb 25 with 2541 views | blaenaugwentjack |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 23:44 - Feb 25 with 2516 views | Kilkennyjack |
Well said John.
Westminster does not work for Wales.
Once Scotland is free, and Ireland united - then what for wales ?
Wales-shire as a poor Greater England region, or a modern bi-lingual democratic small nation in tne EU.
A perpetual English Tory govt should piisss off every Cymro and Cymraes.
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:18 - Feb 26 with 2453 views | Kilkennyjack |
What about thus John...?
Its a toxic and abusive relationship. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:28 - Feb 26 with 2445 views | Highjack |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:18 - Feb 26 by Kilkennyjack |
What about thus John...?
Its a toxic and abusive relationship. |
Drakeford looks like he’s about to batter Boris there and Boris is clearly saying “no Mark you handsome charismatic man, please don’t hit me.” | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:46 - Feb 26 with 2436 views | dickythorpe |
Drakers would pulverise Bojo by putting him in a half Nelson. |  | | |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:52 - Feb 26 with 2427 views | Highjack |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:46 - Feb 26 by dickythorpe |
Drakers would pulverise Bojo by putting him in a half Nelson. |
It’s only a matter of time before Drakeford smashes down the door of the commons and tombstones Boris through the despatch box. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 08:14 - Feb 26 with 2417 views | Vincent_Vega |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:52 - Feb 26 by Highjack |
It’s only a matter of time before Drakeford smashes down the door of the commons and tombstones Boris through the despatch box. |
The Drake would mess BoJo up soo much it would make Undertaker vs Mankind look like a mothers union meeting. |  |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 08:24 - Feb 26 with 2405 views | Highjack |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 08:14 - Feb 26 by Vincent_Vega |
The Drake would mess BoJo up soo much it would make Undertaker vs Mankind look like a mothers union meeting. |
There’ll probably be a few flying elbow drops from the public gallery | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 08:40 - Feb 26 with 2401 views | Vincent_Vega |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 08:24 - Feb 26 by Highjack |
There’ll probably be a few flying elbow drops from the public gallery |
Vaughn Gething looks the type to burst through the crowd and tw@t The Drake over the head with a chair while the ref is distracted. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 08:47 - Feb 26 with 2397 views | felixstowe_jack |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 21:36 - Feb 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Is it just welsh voters who are thick ? Or is it welsh people as a nation ?
Just wondering what your view is .... ? |
Just Welsh labour voters. The rest of the Welsh people make a choice and vote for the parties that they think are best for Wales. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 09:56 - Feb 26 with 2374 views | Catullus |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 22:21 - Feb 25 by LeonWasGod |
6% of the MPs for about 5% of the population isn’t it? I don’t think the number is the issue (but obviously we’ll be underrepresented if/when the boundary changes are made).
Westminster ignoring the views of the 3 devolved governments is another issue you haven’t touched on. Devolved issues are ok obviously, but anything else the default is Westminster has total say, even against views of the electorate. It can be autocratic (far less democratic than the EU way of working, Yet based on a fairly small sample admittedly, I suspect the same people would be quite happy handing over total power to Westminster, ironically). [Post edited 25 Feb 2020 22:24]
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It's not like politicians to ignore the electorate!
The Senedd would never do that eh? They wouldn't ignore a democcratic mandate and campaign to stay in the EU if the people voted leave would they?
As far as it goes, slimming down Westminster is a great idea (now to get rid of the HoL) so dumping 50 seats is good.
There is an argument that wales is over represented, because of devolution. We have a Welsh government and plenty of AM's, we have too many politicians. The fact is the First Minister (along with the Scottish and NI leaders) should be having regular meetings with the PM to discuss issues and put forward demands. There should be a frameowrk for it and an obligation for the PM to listen and give written answers.
Face it, we could increase the number of MP's from Wales, we could have 60/70 but with the way Westminster works, it wouldn't make any difference. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 10:04 - Feb 26 with 2369 views | pikeypaul |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 09:56 - Feb 26 by Catullus |
It's not like politicians to ignore the electorate!
The Senedd would never do that eh? They wouldn't ignore a democcratic mandate and campaign to stay in the EU if the people voted leave would they?
As far as it goes, slimming down Westminster is a great idea (now to get rid of the HoL) so dumping 50 seats is good.
There is an argument that wales is over represented, because of devolution. We have a Welsh government and plenty of AM's, we have too many politicians. The fact is the First Minister (along with the Scottish and NI leaders) should be having regular meetings with the PM to discuss issues and put forward demands. There should be a frameowrk for it and an obligation for the PM to listen and give written answers.
Face it, we could increase the number of MP's from Wales, we could have 60/70 but with the way Westminster works, it wouldn't make any difference. |
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And goes to show what hypocrites they and their supporters are.
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 11:31 - Feb 26 with 2346 views | SkipTheJack |
The biggest tragedy of the independence debate is how the majority of people in Wales have been convinced that we are not capable or worthy of governing ourselves. It's the ultimate form of servitude, that has been perfected by the English over the last 1600 years.
Even when the Tories came to power in 2010 and cancelled both rail electrification to Swansea and the tidal lagoon it still wasn't enough for people to get angry and open their eyes to the contempt Westminster regards us with. We instead take the scraps they feed us and tug our forelocks in gratitude. When the British Prime Minister (Tony Blair) refers to us as the "bloody Welsh" we still don't see this as the huge problem that it is.
In Wales there are a minority who are strongly pro-independence, and a minority who are strongly pro-union, but the majority of Welsh people don't feel strongly either way - they reluctantly support our position in the union because they don't believe we could ever manage on our own. This position is so depressing! Holding a political view because you believe in something in fine, but holding that view because you don't believe in anything is the ultimate abandonment of any hope for Wales's future.
The truth is there are plenty of smaller and more successful counties in the world than Wales, most of which don't have our resources or infrastructure. All we need is some ambition and self belief, along with a fiery certainty that our great country deserves much better. |  | | |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 12:17 - Feb 26 with 2330 views | LeonWasGod |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 09:56 - Feb 26 by Catullus |
It's not like politicians to ignore the electorate!
The Senedd would never do that eh? They wouldn't ignore a democcratic mandate and campaign to stay in the EU if the people voted leave would they?
As far as it goes, slimming down Westminster is a great idea (now to get rid of the HoL) so dumping 50 seats is good.
There is an argument that wales is over represented, because of devolution. We have a Welsh government and plenty of AM's, we have too many politicians. The fact is the First Minister (along with the Scottish and NI leaders) should be having regular meetings with the PM to discuss issues and put forward demands. There should be a frameowrk for it and an obligation for the PM to listen and give written answers.
Face it, we could increase the number of MP's from Wales, we could have 60/70 but with the way Westminster works, it wouldn't make any difference. |
When people start self-harming those in white coats have to take over 
Didn't realise Westminster had cut the Welsh budget by 200m at the last minuite - is this not just the adjustment to account for new develved tax raising powers (that was always planned)? | | | |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 12:50 - Feb 26 with 2310 views | Ebo |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 11:31 - Feb 26 by SkipTheJack |
The biggest tragedy of the independence debate is how the majority of people in Wales have been convinced that we are not capable or worthy of governing ourselves. It's the ultimate form of servitude, that has been perfected by the English over the last 1600 years.
Even when the Tories came to power in 2010 and cancelled both rail electrification to Swansea and the tidal lagoon it still wasn't enough for people to get angry and open their eyes to the contempt Westminster regards us with. We instead take the scraps they feed us and tug our forelocks in gratitude. When the British Prime Minister (Tony Blair) refers to us as the "bloody Welsh" we still don't see this as the huge problem that it is.
In Wales there are a minority who are strongly pro-independence, and a minority who are strongly pro-union, but the majority of Welsh people don't feel strongly either way - they reluctantly support our position in the union because they don't believe we could ever manage on our own. This position is so depressing! Holding a political view because you believe in something in fine, but holding that view because you don't believe in anything is the ultimate abandonment of any hope for Wales's future.
The truth is there are plenty of smaller and more successful counties in the world than Wales, most of which don't have our resources or infrastructure. All we need is some ambition and self belief, along with a fiery certainty that our great country deserves much better. |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 12:51 - Feb 26 with 2308 views | Ebo |
| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 07:46 - Feb 26 by dickythorpe |
Drakers would pulverise Bojo by putting him in a half Nelson. |
He'd finish him off with a reverse tit stretch. | |
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| WALES HAS NO VOICE IN WESTMINSTER on 12:51 - Feb 26 with 2307 views | Darran |
Someone wrote a letter to the Evening Post?
Fuçk my eyes. |  |
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