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Corona Virus 22:39 - Mar 7 with 220781 viewsSgorioFruit

Sorry for new thread,
But how bad do you lot reckon it’s going to get here in the UK?
I just been watching the news. Looking nasty in Italy.

My methods are not favoured by some but by god i speak the truth.
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Corona Virus on 19:28 - May 22 with 1167 viewssP7qupUf

Corona Virus on 17:56 - May 22 by Nortbankboy

Boris in hiding again


He is the Ki of the Tory government. Both have the same response in a crisis.
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Corona Virus on 23:07 - May 22 with 1042 viewsbuilthjack

Cummings. Broke the law.

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Corona Virus on 23:45 - May 22 with 1020 viewsDJack

Sorry AfD you're wrong again...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52779309

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Corona Virus on 23:46 - May 22 with 1019 viewsJack123

I'm quite surprised nobody has picked up on this, especially the more educated posters, quite a lot of posts about a vaccine, In the beginning of this I was in the frame of mind, we are all going to die.

But when you look at the figures, it's nothing of the sort, compared to previous epidemics throughout the years.

If i were to say to you in 2018, that how do you think it would go that if we shut the hospitals and doctors surgery's down for say 5-6 months. Basically the ill, left at home to die.
[Post edited 22 May 23:49]
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Corona Virus on 23:54 - May 22 with 1011 viewsScotia

Corona Virus on 23:45 - May 22 by DJack

Sorry AfD you're wrong again...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52779309


Ahh, but that only references The Lancet, which is probably the most respected peer reviewed journal in the world. And it only considers 96000 cases.

We need to see what a business analyst or someone says about it curing 58 people in Djibouti or somewhere on a forum. That'll be correct.
[Post edited 22 May 23:57]
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Corona Virus on 03:51 - May 23 with 956 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 23:46 - May 22 by Jack123

I'm quite surprised nobody has picked up on this, especially the more educated posters, quite a lot of posts about a vaccine, In the beginning of this I was in the frame of mind, we are all going to die.

But when you look at the figures, it's nothing of the sort, compared to previous epidemics throughout the years.

If i were to say to you in 2018, that how do you think it would go that if we shut the hospitals and doctors surgery's down for say 5-6 months. Basically the ill, left at home to die.
[Post edited 22 May 23:49]


As we traverse this crisis the very real problem is not the deaths, it is the life shortening impact of Covid-19 that is the more pressing issue. The deaths occupy our minds as they are an existential threat...however the life changing debilitations are a greater threat to our society and have a vastley greater range of affect (and eventual effect) upon our existence and psyche.

A vaccine is still not a likely thing as most trials end in "failure" but we still hope that this can be achieved ... even more so with the unprecedented money and effort being thrown in this direction.

STAY HOME, STAY SAFE!

The economy is a distraction - if we are dying we ain't buying... so the very same businesses will go to the wall whether or not we open up or not. Do not be fooled by the free market capitalists as they do not care if you die they just want your money...so remember if we are dying we ain't buying therefore

STAY HOME, STAY SAFE!

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 11:09 - May 23 with 873 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 23:45 - May 22 by DJack

Sorry AfD you're wrong again...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52779309


I suggest that you actually read the study if that is what you think.
There are headlines all over the world proclaiming 100,000 patient study.
In fact it is a retrospective study of about 20,000, 10,000 with treatments and 10,000 patients chosen from the other 81144 ptients.
Get that first of all "chosen" by the study group.
Then you need to read the conclusion which states that those medicines could not be recommended for use with COVID-19.
Except for this rider
"Our study has several limitations. The association of decreased survival with hydroxychloroquine or chloro-quine treatment regimens should be interpreted cautiously. Due to the observational study design, we cannot exclude the possibility of unmeasured con-founding factors, although we have reassuringly noted consistency between the primary analysis and the propensity score matched analyses. Nevertheless, a cause-and-effect relationship between drug therapy and survival should not be inferred."

Get that last last part, despite the headlines "Nevertheless, a cause-and-effect relationship between drug therapy and survival should not be inferred."

Did you think that I had not already read the actual study document.
It looks like for Chloroquine they may even have included patients from that very bad Brazilian study where they used twice the recommended dose.

Because it wasn't a real time study, they had to "estimate" how ill the patients were and everybody already knows that they give those medicines when the patients are already very ill as a last resort.
Note also that no Zinc was used which is what actually controls the virus spread in the the body. HCQ and CQ only facilitate the Zinc uptake.
In the study I quoted last week it was the Zinc which brought about a 50% improvement in all aspects of the patients condition.
The other study I quoted where the cases per million population of 65,000 was 90% less than the country's average was of course all those people with Lupus and Arthritis taking HCQ. Which acted as a prophyllactic.

So another study paid for by the big pharmaceutical companies that supposedly disproves HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate works coming shortly after President Trump said he was taking it.
Did you know that Senator Amy Klobuchar and her husband both took HCQ and it saved her husbands life?


Did you know that Governer Coumo took Quinine through the whole NYC pandemic, despite saying HCQ doesn't work?
https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/chris-cuomo-took-less-safe-version-of-hydroxychlor


Except of course they didn't actually study any HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate treatment at all in their 100,000 patient study.

There are also lots of studies being designed that also do not test the best combination.
[Post edited 23 May 14:34]
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Corona Virus on 13:16 - May 23 with 813 viewsProfessor

Corona Virus on 11:09 - May 23 by A_Fans_Dad

I suggest that you actually read the study if that is what you think.
There are headlines all over the world proclaiming 100,000 patient study.
In fact it is a retrospective study of about 20,000, 10,000 with treatments and 10,000 patients chosen from the other 81144 ptients.
Get that first of all "chosen" by the study group.
Then you need to read the conclusion which states that those medicines could not be recommended for use with COVID-19.
Except for this rider
"Our study has several limitations. The association of decreased survival with hydroxychloroquine or chloro-quine treatment regimens should be interpreted cautiously. Due to the observational study design, we cannot exclude the possibility of unmeasured con-founding factors, although we have reassuringly noted consistency between the primary analysis and the propensity score matched analyses. Nevertheless, a cause-and-effect relationship between drug therapy and survival should not be inferred."

Get that last last part, despite the headlines "Nevertheless, a cause-and-effect relationship between drug therapy and survival should not be inferred."

Did you think that I had not already read the actual study document.
It looks like for Chloroquine they may even have included patients from that very bad Brazilian study where they used twice the recommended dose.

Because it wasn't a real time study, they had to "estimate" how ill the patients were and everybody already knows that they give those medicines when the patients are already very ill as a last resort.
Note also that no Zinc was used which is what actually controls the virus spread in the the body. HCQ and CQ only facilitate the Zinc uptake.
In the study I quoted last week it was the Zinc which brought about a 50% improvement in all aspects of the patients condition.
The other study I quoted where the cases per million population of 65,000 was 90% less than the country's average was of course all those people with Lupus and Arthritis taking HCQ. Which acted as a prophyllactic.

So another study paid for by the big pharmaceutical companies that supposedly disproves HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate works coming shortly after President Trump said he was taking it.
Did you know that Senator Amy Klobuchar and her husband both took HCQ and it saved her husbands life?


Did you know that Governer Coumo took Quinine through the whole NYC pandemic, despite saying HCQ doesn't work?
https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/chris-cuomo-took-less-safe-version-of-hydroxychlor


Except of course they didn't actually study any HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate treatment at all in their 100,000 patient study.

There are also lots of studies being designed that also do not test the best combination.
[Post edited 23 May 14:34]


Your spelling of prophylactic is one that suggests the drug enlarges
Ones penis
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Corona Virus on 13:30 - May 23 with 804 viewsWarwickHunt

Corona Virus on 13:16 - May 23 by Professor

Your spelling of prophylactic is one that suggests the drug enlarges
Ones penis


AFD is one of the biggest dicks on here already.
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Corona Virus on 14:30 - May 23 with 775 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 11:09 - May 23 by A_Fans_Dad

I suggest that you actually read the study if that is what you think.
There are headlines all over the world proclaiming 100,000 patient study.
In fact it is a retrospective study of about 20,000, 10,000 with treatments and 10,000 patients chosen from the other 81144 ptients.
Get that first of all "chosen" by the study group.
Then you need to read the conclusion which states that those medicines could not be recommended for use with COVID-19.
Except for this rider
"Our study has several limitations. The association of decreased survival with hydroxychloroquine or chloro-quine treatment regimens should be interpreted cautiously. Due to the observational study design, we cannot exclude the possibility of unmeasured con-founding factors, although we have reassuringly noted consistency between the primary analysis and the propensity score matched analyses. Nevertheless, a cause-and-effect relationship between drug therapy and survival should not be inferred."

Get that last last part, despite the headlines "Nevertheless, a cause-and-effect relationship between drug therapy and survival should not be inferred."

Did you think that I had not already read the actual study document.
It looks like for Chloroquine they may even have included patients from that very bad Brazilian study where they used twice the recommended dose.

Because it wasn't a real time study, they had to "estimate" how ill the patients were and everybody already knows that they give those medicines when the patients are already very ill as a last resort.
Note also that no Zinc was used which is what actually controls the virus spread in the the body. HCQ and CQ only facilitate the Zinc uptake.
In the study I quoted last week it was the Zinc which brought about a 50% improvement in all aspects of the patients condition.
The other study I quoted where the cases per million population of 65,000 was 90% less than the country's average was of course all those people with Lupus and Arthritis taking HCQ. Which acted as a prophyllactic.

So another study paid for by the big pharmaceutical companies that supposedly disproves HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate works coming shortly after President Trump said he was taking it.
Did you know that Senator Amy Klobuchar and her husband both took HCQ and it saved her husbands life?


Did you know that Governer Coumo took Quinine through the whole NYC pandemic, despite saying HCQ doesn't work?
https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/chris-cuomo-took-less-safe-version-of-hydroxychlor


Except of course they didn't actually study any HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate treatment at all in their 100,000 patient study.

There are also lots of studies being designed that also do not test the best combination.
[Post edited 23 May 14:34]


I already had the document when I posted...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fullt

... yes they are aware of the limitations and it is curious that you use a an included Brazilian study to undermine this yet you were VERY supportive of the most ridiculed HCQ "report" by that mad frenchman. I will also point out that even though I know nothing of the Brazilian study they state that this study was a double-blind study - which are the gold standard type of study.

As to the addition of zinc, vitamin C, etc at what point will you give up moving from one miraculous additive to Azithromycin in the attempt to promote this unsuitable "cure" for Covid 19?.

Additionally we both know that anecdotal "evidence" is seriously flawed and possibly worthless - doubly so if it comes from a politician.

Fod for though from the document...

"Implications of all the available evidence
We found no evidence of benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine when used either alone or with a macrolide. Previous evidence was derived from either small anecdotal studies or inconclusive small randomised trials. Our study included a large number of patients across multiple geographic regions and provides the most robust real-world evidence to date on the usefulness of these treatment regimens. Although observational studies cannot fully account for unmeasured confounding factors, our findings suggest not only an absence of therapeutic benefit but also potential harm with the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine drug regimens (with or without a macrolide) in hospitalised patients with COVID-19."

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 14:33 - May 23 with 770 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 13:16 - May 23 by Professor

Your spelling of prophylactic is one that suggests the drug enlarges
Ones penis


Thank you for the correction.
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Corona Virus on 08:17 - May 24 with 643 viewsScotia

I don't know the background of this, I saw it on the BBC news website.

http://covid19-phenomics.org/PrototypeOurRiskCoV.html

It's an attempt to measure your additional risk of dying from Covid in a given year when taking in to account sex, age and health conditions.

It seems a bit rough and ready but shows the benefits of social distancing.
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Corona Virus on 21:29 - May 24 with 546 viewsDJack

Apparently Remdesivir is looking good for shortening recovery times...not a cure but positive news

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 22:26 - May 24 with 491 viewswaynekerr55

Corona Virus on 13:16 - May 23 by Professor

Your spelling of prophylactic is one that suggests the drug enlarges
Ones penis



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Corona Virus on 23:06 - May 24 with 469 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 21:29 - May 24 by DJack

Apparently Remdesivir is looking good for shortening recovery times...not a cure but positive news

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764


Did you read that one as well?
Take a look at the last line of Table 1 number 7.
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Corona Virus on 02:18 - May 25 with 412 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 23:06 - May 24 by A_Fans_Dad

Did you read that one as well?
Take a look at the last line of Table 1 number 7.


No mate, this one I skimmed after reading an article pointing out the slightly poistive results. The papers are usually heavy going... at least for a dullard such as myself. So on this occasion I skimmed to save my head from aching trying to assimilate it all - I read the methods, results, conclusions, figure 2 and skimmed discussions section.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 10:14 - May 25 with 334 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 02:18 - May 25 by DJack

No mate, this one I skimmed after reading an article pointing out the slightly poistive results. The papers are usually heavy going... at least for a dullard such as myself. So on this occasion I skimmed to save my head from aching trying to assimilate it all - I read the methods, results, conclusions, figure 2 and skimmed discussions section.


Item 7 in table 1 is the Baseline Clinical Characteristic of patients hospitalised with Invasive Mechanical Ventilation.
As we all know the survival rate for ventilated patients is very poor 30% - 40%.
So the Remdesivir sample had 125 ventilated patients and the control group had 147.
As the control group only received a placebo treatment what do you think of the chances of the extra 22 ventilated patients in the control group surviving?
The study was pe-biased towards a good outcome for Remdesivir by patient selection.
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Corona Virus on 11:34 - May 25 with 292 viewsCatullus

Corona Virus on 10:14 - May 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Item 7 in table 1 is the Baseline Clinical Characteristic of patients hospitalised with Invasive Mechanical Ventilation.
As we all know the survival rate for ventilated patients is very poor 30% - 40%.
So the Remdesivir sample had 125 ventilated patients and the control group had 147.
As the control group only received a placebo treatment what do you think of the chances of the extra 22 ventilated patients in the control group surviving?
The study was pe-biased towards a good outcome for Remdesivir by patient selection.


Surely your not suggesting that medical professionals manipulated a medical study? What could they possibly have to gain?


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Corona Virus on 11:35 - May 25 with 291 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 02:18 - May 25 by DJack

No mate, this one I skimmed after reading an article pointing out the slightly poistive results. The papers are usually heavy going... at least for a dullard such as myself. So on this occasion I skimmed to save my head from aching trying to assimilate it all - I read the methods, results, conclusions, figure 2 and skimmed discussions section.


Did you bother to check out the sponsors and Doctors running this study?
NIH, the people who wrote the crap HCQ VA study are sponsoring this study.
8 Doctors are being paid by Gilead the creator & manufacturer of Remdesivir and one is being paid other big pharmaceuticals including Smith Kline.
Of course we can expect a completely unbiased study from these people can't we?
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Corona Virus on 13:41 - May 25 with 228 viewsTreforys_Jack

Corona Virus on 11:35 - May 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Did you bother to check out the sponsors and Doctors running this study?
NIH, the people who wrote the crap HCQ VA study are sponsoring this study.
8 Doctors are being paid by Gilead the creator & manufacturer of Remdesivir and one is being paid other big pharmaceuticals including Smith Kline.
Of course we can expect a completely unbiased study from these people can't we?


People are looking for positives mate, you've spent 2 mths trawling the internet looking for every negative angle you can find. We all know what a disaster the government have made of this, if people want to look at things with a glimmer of positivity, good for them I say.
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Corona Virus on 16:31 - May 25 with 175 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 13:41 - May 25 by Treforys_Jack

People are looking for positives mate, you've spent 2 mths trawling the internet looking for every negative angle you can find. We all know what a disaster the government have made of this, if people want to look at things with a glimmer of positivity, good for them I say.


You obviously haven't been reading my posts if you think that.
I posted on the success of HCQ +Zinc over a month ago before Trump mentioned it.
I posted on the success of Invermectin + Doxycycline, which the Professor rubished and called the Doctor a liar.
I posted on the success of HCQ + Azithromycin, HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate and Chloroquin & Zinc.

I posted on how well Czechia have done using home made masks.

What I was also posting about was the resistance to using all of them here.
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Corona Virus on 16:41 - May 25 with 168 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 10:14 - May 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Item 7 in table 1 is the Baseline Clinical Characteristic of patients hospitalised with Invasive Mechanical Ventilation.
As we all know the survival rate for ventilated patients is very poor 30% - 40%.
So the Remdesivir sample had 125 ventilated patients and the control group had 147.
As the control group only received a placebo treatment what do you think of the chances of the extra 22 ventilated patients in the control group surviving?
The study was pe-biased towards a good outcome for Remdesivir by patient selection.


Whoa ther you are cherry picking data. Figure 2 highlights your fact (graph E) and states that for ECMO the placebo scored best...in all other areas (graphs A - D) inluding the overall figure the drug provided a better outcome. These figures are proportional outcomes.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 16:49 - May 25 with 165 viewsTreforys_Jack

Corona Virus on 16:31 - May 25 by A_Fans_Dad

You obviously haven't been reading my posts if you think that.
I posted on the success of HCQ +Zinc over a month ago before Trump mentioned it.
I posted on the success of Invermectin + Doxycycline, which the Professor rubished and called the Doctor a liar.
I posted on the success of HCQ + Azithromycin, HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate and Chloroquin & Zinc.

I posted on how well Czechia have done using home made masks.

What I was also posting about was the resistance to using all of them here.


You are quite correct, I gave up reading your posts quite a while ago due to the extreme negativity contained therein.
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Corona Virus on 17:07 - May 25 with 145 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 16:49 - May 25 by Treforys_Jack

You are quite correct, I gave up reading your posts quite a while ago due to the extreme negativity contained therein.


I also posted on the apparent success of Remdesivir quite a while ago, but now I am not quite so sure.
It is being pushed by the MSM at the expense of the very cheap drugs that doctors are saying are working and that worries me.
The pharmaceutical companies want exensive anti-virals and Vaccines, but in the mean time it looks like people are dying needlessly.
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Corona Virus on 17:29 - May 25 with 125 viewsSwanjaxs

Corona Virus on 16:49 - May 25 by Treforys_Jack

You are quite correct, I gave up reading your posts quite a while ago due to the extreme negativity contained therein.


I gave up reading his posts because they are boring as fùck.

You might think I've forgotten, but one day, when you least expect it, my time will come.
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