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If a pharmaceutical company becomes the first to produce a vaccine, do you think there is a possibility of it sharing its secrets/expertise with other rivals to put compassion/humanity before profit?
Or maybe at the very least, come to some kind of royalty-type arrangement so that many more doses can be mass produced by others so many more people can be inoculated from the availability of a lot more production lines?
The model with vaccines is usually small profit per dose but many, many doses. There are a number of not for profit organisations like Gavi who often provide support to allow widespread implementation and indeed development
See, now this is where I think one daily exercise is being taken too far. Same as those cyclists that are out doing over 50 miles a day. (not a dig at you butt, but a point of discussion).
When does exercise become excessive? The longer a person is out and about, the more chance of coming into contact with others, or having an accident.
I'm not allowed to go out for an hour or two on my enduro motorbike, but someone on a push bike can go out for 50, 100 or more miles every single day. How is that fair? And please save the "riding a motorbike isn't exercise". I will gladly let you go up a mountain trail on my bike, and see how you feel the following day (not you personally Scotia).
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Thanks, I don't know who to believe these days, I'm just up/down up/down all the the time, it goes from your all going to die!!!!! feelings and then this one big pisstake on us.
Put it this way. If in the worst year flu has caused 40,000 deaths in the UK (which it hasn’t, but let’s play along). And this year Covid causes 40,000 deaths in the UK (which it almost certainly will), it’s easy to say the two are the same.
Until you think about this. Covid has done that while we’ve all been locked up for months!
Ffs. That’s the bit that these stupid conspiracy sites ‘forget’ to mention.
Of course it’s not the same as flu. Countries don’t destroy their economies for the next 10 years for a laugh.
Put it this way. If in the worst year flu has caused 40,000 deaths in the UK (which it hasn’t, but let’s play along). And this year Covid causes 40,000 deaths in the UK (which it almost certainly will), it’s easy to say the two are the same.
Until you think about this. Covid has done that while we’ve all been locked up for months!
Ffs. That’s the bit that these stupid conspiracy sites ‘forget’ to mention.
Of course it’s not the same as flu. Countries don’t destroy their economies for the next 10 years for a laugh.
And that's assuming that this is a single wave phenomenon.
And that's assuming that this is a single wave phenomenon.
Agreed. The bit that’s also missed all the time.
It’s almost as if everyone has thought ‘get through this few weeks, it drops and we’re all back to normal’. You can see it every day in the stupid questions asked by the media in the daily briefing.
There’s a feeling of surprise every time someone says ‘this isn’t over until we have treatment or a vaccine’.
A lot of that is caused by the shockingly bad communication on this from the start. You can see it from those also saying how well some countries have done, it’s as though that’s it for them.
It’s almost as if everyone has thought ‘get through this few weeks, it drops and we’re all back to normal’. You can see it every day in the stupid questions asked by the media in the daily briefing.
There’s a feeling of surprise every time someone says ‘this isn’t over until we have treatment or a vaccine’.
A lot of that is caused by the shockingly bad communication on this from the start. You can see it from those also saying how well some countries have done, it’s as though that’s it for them.
It could actually be looking bleak for a vaccine so the identify (test), confine and contact trace is really the only option. Plus permanently increase NHS capacity...or rather go back to the80% utilisation targets that were the norm when we were actually a civilised country.
Spoke to a friend who is 91 today, she thinkds she'll never be able to go safely outside again. The mental health implications for those at greatest risk are awful. For the rest of us it's bad enough.
It could actually be looking bleak for a vaccine so the identify (test), confine and contact trace is really the only option. Plus permanently increase NHS capacity...or rather go back to the80% utilisation targets that were the norm when we were actually a civilised country.
Spoke to a friend who is 91 today, she thinkds she'll never be able to go safely outside again. The mental health implications for those at greatest risk are awful. For the rest of us it's bad enough.
I’m quite positive about a vaccine. May be misplaced, but listening to Sarah Gilbert speak, she’s quite phenomenally upbeat about the chances. I realise they always think ‘their’ vaccine may work, but she’s not saying ‘it may do, it may not - I’m quite positive about it’. She’s speaking as though she KNOWS it will work, but is unsure about some detailed aspects of it.
May be misplaced, but it helps being positive at this point.
If it does work btw, it’s because of a quite extraordinary series of things that have happened by complete chance. Please God let every child in 50 years be taught her name in school and the chance decision that led to this.
Completely agree on the mental aspects. It’s a living nightmare. Impossible to get your head around what’s happened.
I’m quite positive about a vaccine. May be misplaced, but listening to Sarah Gilbert speak, she’s quite phenomenally upbeat about the chances. I realise they always think ‘their’ vaccine may work, but she’s not saying ‘it may do, it may not - I’m quite positive about it’. She’s speaking as though she KNOWS it will work, but is unsure about some detailed aspects of it.
May be misplaced, but it helps being positive at this point.
If it does work btw, it’s because of a quite extraordinary series of things that have happened by complete chance. Please God let every child in 50 years be taught her name in school and the chance decision that led to this.
Completely agree on the mental aspects. It’s a living nightmare. Impossible to get your head around what’s happened.
DimDomRaab was far less upbeat earlier this morning.
It could actually be looking bleak for a vaccine so the identify (test), confine and contact trace is really the only option. Plus permanently increase NHS capacity...or rather go back to the80% utilisation targets that were the norm when we were actually a civilised country.
Spoke to a friend who is 91 today, she thinkds she'll never be able to go safely outside again. The mental health implications for those at greatest risk are awful. For the rest of us it's bad enough.
My wife works for Age UK and visits elderly ladies who live alone and she's still doing it now but as most of them don't get out anyway, there's minimal risk but for those that would go out occasionally but can't now and have no visitors, it must really scary. My mum is 96 and hasn't been out for at least couple of months but that's not all that unusual as my 2 sisters drop in pretty much every day as they both live quite near her but I dread to think what might happen if either of both of my sisters become infected as they're both in their 70s.
The really odd thing is that main-stream medicine is bunkum until they misuse it to promote a wacky theory... but it is us who need to WAKE UP. Fcking deluded.
Do you actually think that is the only source for Zinc and ionophore research and the use of Zinc in treatments? Why do you keep denying reality?
I’m quite positive about a vaccine. May be misplaced, but listening to Sarah Gilbert speak, she’s quite phenomenally upbeat about the chances. I realise they always think ‘their’ vaccine may work, but she’s not saying ‘it may do, it may not - I’m quite positive about it’. She’s speaking as though she KNOWS it will work, but is unsure about some detailed aspects of it.
May be misplaced, but it helps being positive at this point.
If it does work btw, it’s because of a quite extraordinary series of things that have happened by complete chance. Please God let every child in 50 years be taught her name in school and the chance decision that led to this.
Completely agree on the mental aspects. It’s a living nightmare. Impossible to get your head around what’s happened.
They are an excellent group of researchers, several of whom I have met - They concentrate mainly on TB, malaria and Salmonella (typhoid and non-typhoidal) Things have generally worked well in Oxford but less so in the field (Africa Mainly). I hope it is a success. There are relatively effective vaccines for avian coronavirus (Infectious Bronchitis) but there are far from perfect, but does show such a vaccine is not Impossible
They are an excellent group of researchers, several of whom I have met - They concentrate mainly on TB, malaria and Salmonella (typhoid and non-typhoidal) Things have generally worked well in Oxford but less so in the field (Africa Mainly). I hope it is a success. There are relatively effective vaccines for avian coronavirus (Infectious Bronchitis) but there are far from perfect, but does show such a vaccine is not Impossible
There was an interesting report on vaccines for corona virus in chickens (I think it was chickens?) and work being done based on that in Israel at the moment as an potential as well.
I think that if we, for example, can’t get to a completely effective vaccine but instead to one where the severity of infection is greatly reduced then that’s a great step forward.
I’m quite positive about a vaccine. May be misplaced, but listening to Sarah Gilbert speak, she’s quite phenomenally upbeat about the chances. I realise they always think ‘their’ vaccine may work, but she’s not saying ‘it may do, it may not - I’m quite positive about it’. She’s speaking as though she KNOWS it will work, but is unsure about some detailed aspects of it.
May be misplaced, but it helps being positive at this point.
If it does work btw, it’s because of a quite extraordinary series of things that have happened by complete chance. Please God let every child in 50 years be taught her name in school and the chance decision that led to this.
Completely agree on the mental aspects. It’s a living nightmare. Impossible to get your head around what’s happened.
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