| Covid-19 deaths 20:07 - Mar 28 with 5420 views | NotLoyal |
Still many unanswered questions, are people dying because of the virus or are they dying and have the virus. It's vitally important, plus locations of deaths in the UK (not exact of course) but ages, culture and any other helpful information as well. How it was contracted etc. |  |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 15:40 - Mar 30 with 1556 views | pencoedjack |
| Covid-19 deaths on 14:43 - Mar 30 by jasper_T |
A lot of people thought there were too many admin staff until those jobs started being cut and doctors and nurses had more and more paperwork added to their regular duties to make up for it.
A hospital takes a lot of organising. |
I'm not talking about doctors & nurses paperwork I'm talking about the admin staff who check you in.
Its 2020 FFS
In the POW there is obviously way too many. |  | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 16:06 - Mar 30 with 1504 views | squarebear |
I can understand the government being reticent about the statistics. They'll not want public perception to shift from "We had better stay in" to "I don't think I'm at risk so I'm going out". Keeping doubt in people's minds keeps us oppressed, so to speak.
My medical source says that 70% of ICU patients are overweight, obese or morbidly obese. Furthermore they often don't respond Very well when put on ventilators. [Post edited 30 Mar 2020 16:07]
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| Covid-19 deaths on 17:13 - Mar 30 with 1452 views | jasper_T |
| Covid-19 deaths on 16:06 - Mar 30 by squarebear |
I can understand the government being reticent about the statistics. They'll not want public perception to shift from "We had better stay in" to "I don't think I'm at risk so I'm going out". Keeping doubt in people's minds keeps us oppressed, so to speak.
My medical source says that 70% of ICU patients are overweight, obese or morbidly obese. Furthermore they often don't respond Very well when put on ventilators. [Post edited 30 Mar 2020 16:07]
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That's hardly surprising as "28.7% of adults in England are obese. A further 35.6% are overweight but not obese."
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03336/ | | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 18:07 - Mar 30 with 1391 views | Catullus |
| Covid-19 deaths on 14:04 - Mar 30 by jasper_T |
So what's your argument? That we should bow to those people and graciously accept our NHS reaching breaking point with no PPE at the start of a pandemic, because they'd moan a bit?
We could be spending far more than we are on the NHS and still not be "overstaffed, overequipped and overfunded". We've been stripping it bare and making the level of service it provides worse for decades now.
The British public have internalised this "common sense" idea that we can't have nice things because they're just too expensive. It's why so many vote against their best interests, thinking they're the smart and responsible ones. Meanwhile wealth inequality grows wider and wider every year. The people at the top are laughing themselves silly (until the corona gets them, fingers crossed). |
The point is the government can't win whatever happens.
Also you say people vote against their own best intersts and that is wildly wrong, people vote for what they rhink is in their best interest, if they make a bad choice that;s entirely different.
There's been moans on here about tax rises but that was the point you didn't answer so come on, how much extra tax are you prepared to pay to over fund, over equip, and over staff the NHS? an extra 5/10/15 pence in the pound? | |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 18:25 - Mar 30 with 1378 views | jasper_T |
| Covid-19 deaths on 18:07 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
The point is the government can't win whatever happens.
Also you say people vote against their own best intersts and that is wildly wrong, people vote for what they rhink is in their best interest, if they make a bad choice that;s entirely different.
There's been moans on here about tax rises but that was the point you didn't answer so come on, how much extra tax are you prepared to pay to over fund, over equip, and over staff the NHS? an extra 5/10/15 pence in the pound? |
Sure, why not. Personally I'd take the bulk of it from massive companies that pay sod all tax at the moment but it seems you genuinely think it needs to come out of the income of joe public. I'll give up 10% of my £20k a year if Amazon do the same with their £11bn. | | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 18:33 - Mar 30 with 1355 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Covid-19 deaths on 18:25 - Mar 30 by jasper_T |
Sure, why not. Personally I'd take the bulk of it from massive companies that pay sod all tax at the moment but it seems you genuinely think it needs to come out of the income of joe public. I'll give up 10% of my £20k a year if Amazon do the same with their £11bn. |
Exactly happy to pay more on an equitable basis. |  |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 22:01 - Mar 30 with 1234 views | Catullus |
| Covid-19 deaths on 18:25 - Mar 30 by jasper_T |
Sure, why not. Personally I'd take the bulk of it from massive companies that pay sod all tax at the moment but it seems you genuinely think it needs to come out of the income of joe public. I'll give up 10% of my £20k a year if Amazon do the same with their £11bn. |
That's exactly the problem, people like us would pay more but at the same time the corporate machines will be on full power trying to find ways to lower their tax bill.
Amazon to start with, they are most likely raking it in even more right now and could easily afford to pay a fair share of tax but they won't do it without a fight.
The people with the money and power will not easily give up any more than they have to and if that means moving money offshore, hiding assets or using EU rules to avoid Uk tax (like they do right now) then they will.
I don't think it needs to come out of Joe Publics' pocket alone at all but if you can tell me how we are going to force the corporate monsters to pay more then feel free. As we saw with the proposed digital tax, there were threatened repercussions from Trumps regime. It's easy enough to voice the idea but much, much harder to make it happen. It's also easy enough to say you'll give up an extra 10% of your income but if that happened I bet you'd be feeling less generous.
Genuine question jasper, how old are you? | |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 08:21 - Mar 31 with 1169 views | Whiterockin |
| Covid-19 deaths on 22:01 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
That's exactly the problem, people like us would pay more but at the same time the corporate machines will be on full power trying to find ways to lower their tax bill.
Amazon to start with, they are most likely raking it in even more right now and could easily afford to pay a fair share of tax but they won't do it without a fight.
The people with the money and power will not easily give up any more than they have to and if that means moving money offshore, hiding assets or using EU rules to avoid Uk tax (like they do right now) then they will.
I don't think it needs to come out of Joe Publics' pocket alone at all but if you can tell me how we are going to force the corporate monsters to pay more then feel free. As we saw with the proposed digital tax, there were threatened repercussions from Trumps regime. It's easy enough to voice the idea but much, much harder to make it happen. It's also easy enough to say you'll give up an extra 10% of your income but if that happened I bet you'd be feeling less generous.
Genuine question jasper, how old are you? |
TBH its not just the big company's who try to avoid paying more tax than they have to.
If you leave out the population who pay tax through PAYE everyone else tries to reduce their tax bill, be it self employed, small businesses or large businesses. |  | | |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 09:24 - Mar 31 with 1123 views | Catullus |
| Covid-19 deaths on 08:21 - Mar 31 by Whiterockin |
TBH its not just the big company's who try to avoid paying more tax than they have to.
If you leave out the population who pay tax through PAYE everyone else tries to reduce their tax bill, be it self employed, small businesses or large businesses. |
Exactly, if tax went up how many self employed would be doing more 'cash' jobs?
It's easy enough to be idealistic, hell I was for years and still am in many respects but you have to be realistic too.
The world I would like to live in won't happen unless the whole of the planet is heading in the same direction.
It's easy to say things like Cuba has a better healthcare system but how many people here would want to live in Cuba permanently? A friend of mine holidayed in Cuba and apparently they had the most beautiful young prostitutes, $20 a night for a beautiful young woman. Cars that are 50 years old....this socialist dream stuff is focusing on all the good bits but completely ignoring the bad.
Even saying that, as long as Capitalism holds sway we won't have the public services most of us want. | |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 10:13 - Mar 31 with 1088 views | jasper_T |
Cuba has existed under 60 years of trade embargo/economic sanctions with the US. It's no utopia but you can't blame that simply on socialist policies. How would we look after a few decades of limitations/tariffs on trade our closest partner the EU? | | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:22 - Mar 31 with 1067 views | Catullus |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:13 - Mar 31 by jasper_T |
Cuba has existed under 60 years of trade embargo/economic sanctions with the US. It's no utopia but you can't blame that simply on socialist policies. How would we look after a few decades of limitations/tariffs on trade our closest partner the EU? |
Why do you think Cuba still is under embargo? Do you think thise with the money and the power will just roll over and say ok, we'll give it all up and start a brave new world?
Come on Jasper, answer the question, how old are you? I'm 52. I only ask because it will give context to your opinions because trust me, for most people those political leanings move to the right as they age. It doesn't mean you become a Tory but you certainly get less Left wing. My political compass reading is just left of centre. | |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 10:23 - Mar 31 with 1068 views | jasper_T |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:22 - Mar 31 by Catullus |
Why do you think Cuba still is under embargo? Do you think thise with the money and the power will just roll over and say ok, we'll give it all up and start a brave new world?
Come on Jasper, answer the question, how old are you? I'm 52. I only ask because it will give context to your opinions because trust me, for most people those political leanings move to the right as they age. It doesn't mean you become a Tory but you certainly get less Left wing. My political compass reading is just left of centre. |
Fck off, that's how old I am. | | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:26 - Mar 31 with 1050 views | Catullus |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:23 - Mar 31 by jasper_T |
Fck off, that's how old I am. |
Great answer, tells me all I need to know. | |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 10:32 - Mar 31 with 1054 views | Dr_Winston |
Cuba can still trade with the other 200+ countries in the World. Blaming the US is just a convenient excuse for the failure of its own Government. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 10:47 - Mar 31 with 1018 views | controversial_jack |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:32 - Mar 31 by Dr_Winston |
Cuba can still trade with the other 200+ countries in the World. Blaming the US is just a convenient excuse for the failure of its own Government. |
The sanctions against Cuba are still in place, although restrictions were loosened, but have recently been tightened under Trump | | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:49 - Mar 31 with 1011 views | Dr_Winston |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:47 - Mar 31 by controversial_jack |
The sanctions against Cuba are still in place, although restrictions were loosened, but have recently been tightened under Trump |
By one country. Nothing is stopping Cuba trading with virtually everyone else. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 11:16 - Mar 31 with 982 views | controversial_jack |
| Covid-19 deaths on 10:49 - Mar 31 by Dr_Winston |
By one country. Nothing is stopping Cuba trading with virtually everyone else. |
Not really, the US puts pressure on other countries and they comply | | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 14:38 - Mar 31 with 895 views | ItchySphincter |
| Covid-19 deaths on 22:01 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
That's exactly the problem, people like us would pay more but at the same time the corporate machines will be on full power trying to find ways to lower their tax bill.
Amazon to start with, they are most likely raking it in even more right now and could easily afford to pay a fair share of tax but they won't do it without a fight.
The people with the money and power will not easily give up any more than they have to and if that means moving money offshore, hiding assets or using EU rules to avoid Uk tax (like they do right now) then they will.
I don't think it needs to come out of Joe Publics' pocket alone at all but if you can tell me how we are going to force the corporate monsters to pay more then feel free. As we saw with the proposed digital tax, there were threatened repercussions from Trumps regime. It's easy enough to voice the idea but much, much harder to make it happen. It's also easy enough to say you'll give up an extra 10% of your income but if that happened I bet you'd be feeling less generous.
Genuine question jasper, how old are you? |
If Amazon are ‘forced’ to pay their share of the taxes they will lay staff if immediately and most likely governments will shit the bed and let them off as they’ll have less income tax and NIC coming in and more benefits going out than they would have if they had just let it be.
The big corporations will never have to pay. |  |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 14:42 - Mar 31 with 881 views | longlostjack |
| Covid-19 deaths on 14:38 - Mar 31 by ItchySphincter |
If Amazon are ‘forced’ to pay their share of the taxes they will lay staff if immediately and most likely governments will shit the bed and let them off as they’ll have less income tax and NIC coming in and more benefits going out than they would have if they had just let it be.
The big corporations will never have to pay. |
Or they'd be forced to raise their prices and would be competing on a level playing field against smaller businesses who have no choice but to pay tax. |  |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 16:20 - Mar 31 with 823 views | jasper_T |
Amazon are a distributor not a manufacturer (mostly) so if they want to leave the UK market it creates space for a competing company (like all the ones they've forced out over the last decade or so). Their warehouses don't create new jobs, the model is to centralise and eventually monopolise the very popular 'order something online and have it delivered' industry.
If they could take the jobs overseas and still operate in the UK they would be doing it already. But most of their £11bn UK revenue is dependent on having UK warehouse staff and drivers shifting stuff around the country. | | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 17:31 - Mar 31 with 797 views | builthjack |
Deaths - We seem to be running about 14 days behind Italy. Our figures are more or less the same as theirs 14 days ago. Unfortunately, that means we will be having 800 deaths per day in 2 weeks time. Bloody awful. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Covid-19 deaths on 17:50 - Mar 31 with 770 views | Fireboy2 |
| Covid-19 deaths on 17:31 - Mar 31 by builthjack |
Deaths - We seem to be running about 14 days behind Italy. Our figures are more or less the same as theirs 14 days ago. Unfortunately, that means we will be having 800 deaths per day in 2 weeks time. Bloody awful. |
Not if we keep up this lockdown.
Another reason why there have been so many deaths in italy is that they are massive family oriented nation and have big family gathering and like us years ago 3 or 4 generations live together so I suspect that's more reasons to why it spread to so many people in such a short period of time. |  | | |
| Covid-19 deaths on 18:23 - Mar 31 with 731 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Covid-19 deaths on 17:31 - Mar 31 by builthjack |
Deaths - We seem to be running about 14 days behind Italy. Our figures are more or less the same as theirs 14 days ago. Unfortunately, that means we will be having 800 deaths per day in 2 weeks time. Bloody awful. |
Actually we are running around 65-70% of Italy. But this is the point they really took off and hopefully the infrastructure and measures that have been put in place here will mean we dont end up on the same aggressive upward curve |  |
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| Covid-19 deaths on 18:51 - Mar 31 with 684 views | builthjack |
| Covid-19 deaths on 17:50 - Mar 31 by Fireboy2 |
Not if we keep up this lockdown.
Another reason why there have been so many deaths in italy is that they are massive family oriented nation and have big family gathering and like us years ago 3 or 4 generations live together so I suspect that's more reasons to why it spread to so many people in such a short period of time. |
I hope you are right Ed. There are still millions working though, so I have my doubts. I hope you are right though. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Covid-19 deaths on 20:41 - Mar 31 with 611 views | NotLoyal |
| Covid-19 deaths on 17:31 - Mar 31 by builthjack |
Deaths - We seem to be running about 14 days behind Italy. Our figures are more or less the same as theirs 14 days ago. Unfortunately, that means we will be having 800 deaths per day in 2 weeks time. Bloody awful. |
It’s bound to happen as long as morons are wandering about shouting about their civil libertys every time an authority stops them spreading the virus.
Fcking sickening the British media will be jumping all over it this week, looking for excuses, they are too thick to realise every person who thinks they are victim screaming human rights about restrictions is a potential Covid missile. | |
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