| So, China.. 17:32 - Mar 29 with 6756 views | PozuelosSideys |
When this mess eventually ends, whenever that may be, but it will. What will be done with China? Obviously its unlikely that there will be any aggressive measures and nor should there be. But should other countries look to put political pressure on their Government (or some other means) to try and get their population into the 21st centuryin terms of food hygiene, diet (for want of another word) and the medieval way in which they consume the types of protein which has put the world in this position.
China are trying to put themselves forward as a modern, technologically advanced, and somewhat wealthy nation (not for the majority of the population to be fair, but those in decision making positions of influence are), yet Coronovirus is not the first ill to come from their nation. SARS is one, but other people probably know of others.
Will China care? Can they be influenced?Can global public pressure influence anything if everyone just refused to buy their products? Will people just forget about this?
You can argue this isnt Chinas issue, its a Global one, as some newspapers have started writing about today. But the direct link between the consumption of bats and Chinese food markets and the direct links to viral outbreaks were papered back in 2007. It was spooky that this was called out 12 years previously and came true. Are there others?
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| So, China.. on 12:57 - Mar 30 with 1751 views | Dr_Winston |
| So, China.. on 12:50 - Mar 30 by Thebus |
Not necessarily. Maybe the Chinese have actually counted those who have actually died from the virus and not of those who have died who may also have had the virus.
It’s the figures in this country and places like Italy & Spain that people should question. |
In either case the numbers are suspect. |  |
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| So, China.. on 13:00 - Mar 30 with 1744 views | PozuelosSideys |
Thats an equivalent of "lessons will be learned". Fckall will happen and will likely end up being a black market trade. | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| So, China.. on 13:04 - Mar 30 with 1729 views | Thebus |
| So, China.. on 12:57 - Mar 30 by Dr_Winston |
In either case the numbers are suspect. |
Yes without doubt.
The reality maybe that only a tiny percentage of people actually die from the virus.
Also it’s quite possible that millions of people in this country may have already contracted the virus and had no symptoms whatsoever. |  | | |
| So, China.. on 19:13 - Mar 30 with 1669 views | PentyrchJack |
| So, China.. on 20:57 - Mar 29 by builthjack |
The Swiss still eat cats and dogs |
I saw that once in Berne and it was disgraceful and disgusting. Scum. |  |
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| So, China.. on 19:31 - Mar 30 with 1650 views | BillyChong |
Swine flu/Spanish flu didn’t come from eating random illegally smuggled animals from unhygienic markets though did it? | | | |
| So, China.. on 20:03 - Mar 30 with 1604 views | Garyjack |
| So, China.. on 12:57 - Mar 30 by Dr_Winston |
In either case the numbers are suspect. |
I don't believe the numbers that China have come out with one bit. A virus that went unchecked for a month in a City of 11 million people, which is part of a country whose total population is nearing 1.5 billion, couldn't possibly have such a low infection and death rate, and also bring the virus under control so quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been 10's of thousands of deaths and is still on the increase. [Post edited 30 Mar 2020 20:04]
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| So, China.. on 20:14 - Mar 30 with 1579 views | londonlisa2001 |
| So, China.. on 19:31 - Mar 30 by BillyChong |
Swine flu/Spanish flu didn’t come from eating random illegally smuggled animals from unhygienic markets though did it? |
No one knows how this started. | | | |
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| So, China.. on 20:21 - Mar 30 with 1549 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| So, China.. on 20:03 - Mar 30 by Garyjack |
I don't believe the numbers that China have come out with one bit. A virus that went unchecked for a month in a City of 11 million people, which is part of a country whose total population is nearing 1.5 billion, couldn't possibly have such a low infection and death rate, and also bring the virus under control so quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been 10's of thousands of deaths and is still on the increase. [Post edited 30 Mar 2020 20:04]
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Where they are 're-educating' hundreds of thousands of muslims in Xinjiang Provence there has been a complete news blackout for years. |  |
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| So, China.. on 20:34 - Mar 30 with 1521 views | Oldjack |
| So, China.. on 20:14 - Mar 30 by londonlisa2001 |
No one knows how this started. |
odds on its bats as they carry this virus |  |
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| So, China.. on 20:35 - Mar 30 with 1519 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| So, China.. on 20:34 - Mar 30 by Oldjack |
odds on its bats as they carry this virus |
You would expect more cricketers to have it then. |  |
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| So, China.. on 20:42 - Mar 30 with 1515 views | Oldjack |
| So, China.. on 20:35 - Mar 30 by Joe_bradshaw |
You would expect more cricketers to have it then. |
now now it's not the time for a chuckle | |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
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| So, China.. on 22:17 - Mar 30 with 1469 views | Brynmill_Jack |
Apparently the Tories are threatening China with a “reckoning” over Coronovirus! Empty vessels make the most noise too |  |
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| So, China.. on 22:26 - Mar 30 with 1460 views | Catullus |
| So, China.. on 22:17 - Mar 30 by Brynmill_Jack |
Apparently the Tories are threatening China with a “reckoning” over Coronovirus! Empty vessels make the most noise too |
If it's just the UK saying it then I agree but what if it was the whole world? That could be a scary time, even more so than right now. | |
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| So, China.. on 23:13 - Mar 30 with 1409 views | DJack |
| So, China.. on 11:43 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
I'll be honest I thought that as a minimum China would close, or be forced to close, the wet markets where this and SARS originated. But they are open and operating as normal apparently. |
If I remember correctly the authorities are afraid that the wet markets will just go underground if "officially" closed/banned and then they can do no monitoring. |  |
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| So, China.. on 00:11 - Mar 31 with 1381 views | londonlisa2001 |
| So, China.. on 20:34 - Mar 30 by Oldjack |
odds on its bats as they carry this virus |
Bats carry many viruses, but that doesn’t change what I said. | | | |
| So, China.. on 00:30 - Mar 31 with 1367 views | londonlisa2001 |
It’s speculation at this stage. The pangolin is seen as a strong possibility as there’s a genetically very similar disease (according to recent reports) but the early cases were not all linked to the markets in China (which is a change to what was initially reportEd).
The markets seen in China, and many other countries for that matter, are genuinely sickening. For all sorts of reasons. But it’s too soon to say exactly how this virus took off. | | | |
| So, China.. on 10:57 - Mar 31 with 1254 views | Oldjack |
| So, China.. on 00:11 - Mar 31 by londonlisa2001 |
Bats carry many viruses, but that doesn’t change what I said. |
next time you're over their tell the bastards ,the next time they feel like a bat sandwich ,do the world a favour and cook it first , | |
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| So, China.. on 11:58 - Mar 31 with 1215 views | chad |
| So, China.. on 00:30 - Mar 31 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s speculation at this stage. The pangolin is seen as a strong possibility as there’s a genetically very similar disease (according to recent reports) but the early cases were not all linked to the markets in China (which is a change to what was initially reportEd).
The markets seen in China, and many other countries for that matter, are genuinely sickening. For all sorts of reasons. But it’s too soon to say exactly how this virus took off. |
Just pointing out that research by experts in the field indicates an extremely high likelihood of bats (the only true flying mammals) being at the origin of the transmission route.
Seems both communism and rampant globalisation played a significant part. We surely need to live a simpler life if we want one at all.
This is IMHO a very interesting, article about the Chinese Bat Woman a renowned specialist, who has spent much of her life investigating bats and their viruses.
Plus another leading expert saying
“It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viru
‘The genomic sequence of the virus–now officially called SARS-CoV-2 because it is related to the SARS pathogen–was 96 percent identical to that of a coronavirus the researchers had identified in horseshoe bats in Yunnan, they reported in a paper published last month in Nature. “It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir,” says Daszak, who was not involved in the study’
(Dr Peter Daszak is a leading expert in this field)
https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/personnel/dr-peter-daszak
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‘Full-length genome sequences were obtained from five patients at the early stage of the outbreak. They are almost identical to each other and share 79.5% sequence identify to SARS-CoV. Furthermore, it was found that nCoV-2019 is 96% identical at the whole genome level to a bat coronavirus. The pairwise protein sequence analysis of seven conserved non-structural proteins show that this virus belongs to the species of SARSr-CoV. The nCoV-2019 virus was then isolated from the bronchoalveolar lavage fluid of a critically ill patient, which can be neutralized by sera from several patients. Importantly, we have confirmed that this novel CoV uses the same cell entry receptor, ACE2, as SARS-CoV.’
(Disease now named COVID-19 and causative virus named SARS-CoV-19 by WHO / International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses respectively) |  | | |
| So, China.. on 12:02 - Mar 31 with 1212 views | Oldjack |
| So, China.. on 11:58 - Mar 31 by chad |
Just pointing out that research by experts in the field indicates an extremely high likelihood of bats (the only true flying mammals) being at the origin of the transmission route.
Seems both communism and rampant globalisation played a significant part. We surely need to live a simpler life if we want one at all.
This is IMHO a very interesting, article about the Chinese Bat Woman a renowned specialist, who has spent much of her life investigating bats and their viruses.
Plus another leading expert saying
“It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viru
‘The genomic sequence of the virus–now officially called SARS-CoV-2 because it is related to the SARS pathogen–was 96 percent identical to that of a coronavirus the researchers had identified in horseshoe bats in Yunnan, they reported in a paper published last month in Nature. “It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir,” says Daszak, who was not involved in the study’
(Dr Peter Daszak is a leading expert in this field)
https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/personnel/dr-peter-daszak
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‘Full-length genome sequences were obtained from five patients at the early stage of the outbreak. They are almost identical to each other and share 79.5% sequence identify to SARS-CoV. Furthermore, it was found that nCoV-2019 is 96% identical at the whole genome level to a bat coronavirus. The pairwise protein sequence analysis of seven conserved non-structural proteins show that this virus belongs to the species of SARSr-CoV. The nCoV-2019 virus was then isolated from the bronchoalveolar lavage fluid of a critically ill patient, which can be neutralized by sera from several patients. Importantly, we have confirmed that this novel CoV uses the same cell entry receptor, ACE2, as SARS-CoV.’
(Disease now named COVID-19 and causative virus named SARS-CoV-19 by WHO / International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses respectively) |
she won't believe you until she eats a live bat or one that's got a pulse left | |
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| So, China.. on 12:20 - Mar 31 with 1195 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| So, China.. on 11:58 - Mar 31 by chad |
Just pointing out that research by experts in the field indicates an extremely high likelihood of bats (the only true flying mammals) being at the origin of the transmission route.
Seems both communism and rampant globalisation played a significant part. We surely need to live a simpler life if we want one at all.
This is IMHO a very interesting, article about the Chinese Bat Woman a renowned specialist, who has spent much of her life investigating bats and their viruses.
Plus another leading expert saying
“It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viru
‘The genomic sequence of the virus–now officially called SARS-CoV-2 because it is related to the SARS pathogen–was 96 percent identical to that of a coronavirus the researchers had identified in horseshoe bats in Yunnan, they reported in a paper published last month in Nature. “It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir,” says Daszak, who was not involved in the study’
(Dr Peter Daszak is a leading expert in this field)
https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/personnel/dr-peter-daszak
–––––––––––––––––––
‘Full-length genome sequences were obtained from five patients at the early stage of the outbreak. They are almost identical to each other and share 79.5% sequence identify to SARS-CoV. Furthermore, it was found that nCoV-2019 is 96% identical at the whole genome level to a bat coronavirus. The pairwise protein sequence analysis of seven conserved non-structural proteins show that this virus belongs to the species of SARSr-CoV. The nCoV-2019 virus was then isolated from the bronchoalveolar lavage fluid of a critically ill patient, which can be neutralized by sera from several patients. Importantly, we have confirmed that this novel CoV uses the same cell entry receptor, ACE2, as SARS-CoV.’
(Disease now named COVID-19 and causative virus named SARS-CoV-19 by WHO / International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses respectively) |
This explains why bats 🦇 are in so many scary films. Evil incarnate mun | |
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| So, China.. on 12:26 - Mar 31 with 1188 views | londonlisa2001 |
| So, China.. on 11:58 - Mar 31 by chad |
Just pointing out that research by experts in the field indicates an extremely high likelihood of bats (the only true flying mammals) being at the origin of the transmission route.
Seems both communism and rampant globalisation played a significant part. We surely need to live a simpler life if we want one at all.
This is IMHO a very interesting, article about the Chinese Bat Woman a renowned specialist, who has spent much of her life investigating bats and their viruses.
Plus another leading expert saying
“It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viru
‘The genomic sequence of the virus–now officially called SARS-CoV-2 because it is related to the SARS pathogen–was 96 percent identical to that of a coronavirus the researchers had identified in horseshoe bats in Yunnan, they reported in a paper published last month in Nature. “It’s crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir,” says Daszak, who was not involved in the study’
(Dr Peter Daszak is a leading expert in this field)
https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/personnel/dr-peter-daszak
–––––––––––––––––––
‘Full-length genome sequences were obtained from five patients at the early stage of the outbreak. They are almost identical to each other and share 79.5% sequence identify to SARS-CoV. Furthermore, it was found that nCoV-2019 is 96% identical at the whole genome level to a bat coronavirus. The pairwise protein sequence analysis of seven conserved non-structural proteins show that this virus belongs to the species of SARSr-CoV. The nCoV-2019 virus was then isolated from the bronchoalveolar lavage fluid of a critically ill patient, which can be neutralized by sera from several patients. Importantly, we have confirmed that this novel CoV uses the same cell entry receptor, ACE2, as SARS-CoV.’
(Disease now named COVID-19 and causative virus named SARS-CoV-19 by WHO / International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses respectively) |
I wasn’t disputing the bat bit. It’s the method of transmission from bats to us that’s in question. Bats harbour all sorts of diseases but they don’t get directly to us.
It certainly didn’t pass to humans from someone eating a bat according to experts! | | | |
| So, China.. on 13:06 - Mar 31 with 1160 views | chad |
| So, China.. on 12:26 - Mar 31 by londonlisa2001 |
I wasn’t disputing the bat bit. It’s the method of transmission from bats to us that’s in question. Bats harbour all sorts of diseases but they don’t get directly to us.
It certainly didn’t pass to humans from someone eating a bat according to experts! |
Yep that’s why I originally said ‘and thought to have possibly transitioned via snakes or pangolin‘
I am not sure if any viruses have ever been passed directly from bats to humans but from what I have read there’s usually seems to be an intermediary.
Of course that doesn’t negate the future possibility of bats indirectly (or even directly) passing on even more dangerous viruses. This has of course long been warned of since the earlier transmissions of similar viruses.
Sure there is nothing new except that our intensive way of living and treating animals has allowed to take hold and spread. | | | |
| So, China.. on 13:15 - Mar 31 with 1140 views | chad |
| So, China.. on 12:20 - Mar 31 by Brynmill_Jack |
This explains why bats 🦇 are in so many scary films. Evil incarnate mun |
:) Quite liked Batman though
Loved to watch the bats flitting from tree to tree when we camp on the shore of Windermere. Cute if not in your gob.
Hope the little varmits didn’t shat on the tent like the crows did. Now where are those wet wipes | | | |
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