| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 126814 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:01 - Aug 4 with 1624 views | Jackfath |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:46 - Aug 4 by onehunglow |
I live very close to a holiday area.
I have a very good (English)chum who bought a small holding and opened up a camping/glamping ite in N/W Wales.
He spent much on doing up a crumbling relic and utilising local and welsh speaking labour together with locally sourced materials opened up shortly before the lockdown.
Right now,he is fecked,as are the economies of the north wales coastal resorts.
Without tourism,Wales is nothing.NOTHING.
It cannot live on water either. [Post edited 4 Aug 2020 10:47]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:07 - Aug 4 with 1613 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:25 - Aug 3 by londonlisa2001 |
Do you know what. I can’t be arsed. [Post edited 3 Aug 2020 18:03]
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I can though, what you are missing hmrc is that London is much more densely populated, many more people used crowded public transport. There was (and still is) much more chance of London having more cases. That's before you talk the numbers, London has what, 3 timea the population of Wales so even if the demographics were identical London would be having more cases.
Then we can get onto the biology/genetics of it. London has a much larger ethnic population, it's much more diverse and those ethnic groups are largely much more likely to catch and spread the virus, much more likely to die of it too.
For those reasons it's very hard to compare the UK with other countries. I guess the only figure that'll really matter to most of us in the end is death rates. Until a vaccine is found nothing much will change. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:12 - Aug 4 with 1609 views | onehunglow |
Know exactly what dear long term poster chum?
Im in regular contact with this mobile phone thingy. Marvellous it is too. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:25 - Aug 4 with 1601 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:07 - Aug 4 by Catullus |
I can though, what you are missing hmrc is that London is much more densely populated, many more people used crowded public transport. There was (and still is) much more chance of London having more cases. That's before you talk the numbers, London has what, 3 timea the population of Wales so even if the demographics were identical London would be having more cases.
Then we can get onto the biology/genetics of it. London has a much larger ethnic population, it's much more diverse and those ethnic groups are largely much more likely to catch and spread the virus, much more likely to die of it too.
For those reasons it's very hard to compare the UK with other countries. I guess the only figure that'll really matter to most of us in the end is death rates. Until a vaccine is found nothing much will change. |
We can't even compare death rates.
England include anyone who dies having ever tested positive for Covid, Wales (and Scotland) only include those who test positive within the last 28 days. This is under review at the moment.
So if an English care home had an outbreak of Covid in March affecting 20 people and 4 of them died within 4 weeks but the rest recovered, only to die of an unrelated condition during June, July or August they would all be classed as a Covid death. If the sames happened in Wales only the first 4 would be counted. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:35 - Aug 4 with 1595 views | Jackfath |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:12 - Aug 4 by onehunglow |
Know exactly what dear long term poster chum?
Im in regular contact with this mobile phone thingy. Marvellous it is too. |
That he is "fecked" and "Wales is nothing. NOTHING". I'm sure he'd love your input. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 13:22 - Aug 4 with 1564 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:07 - Aug 4 by Catullus |
I can though, what you are missing hmrc is that London is much more densely populated, many more people used crowded public transport. There was (and still is) much more chance of London having more cases. That's before you talk the numbers, London has what, 3 timea the population of Wales so even if the demographics were identical London would be having more cases.
Then we can get onto the biology/genetics of it. London has a much larger ethnic population, it's much more diverse and those ethnic groups are largely much more likely to catch and spread the virus, much more likely to die of it too.
For those reasons it's very hard to compare the UK with other countries. I guess the only figure that'll really matter to most of us in the end is death rates. Until a vaccine is found nothing much will change. |
You are fight what matters to us is the number of deaths and that is the bottom line. We want to save as many as possible. As far as London being a large city and the deaths perhaps we could look closer to home.
The 3 biggest cities by far in Wales are Cardiff, Swansea and Newport and not surprisingly they have the most ethnic people. Based on those factors you would expect the 3 health boards there to have the highest number of deaths. That hasnt proved the case.
The highest areas in Wales are Betsi Cadwalladr in North Wales followed by Cwm Taf covering Merthyr Tydfil, Bridgend and Rhondda Cynon Taff. Both areas have no large cities and low ethnic rates. Betsi Cadwalladr as an example has over a 100 deaths more than Cardiff and the Vale and Aneurin Bevan Health Boards and nearly 200 more than the Swansea Bay Health board.
London Lisa has been saying how the rate has been lower in London than Swansea and how low her area is. It is clear that currently the figures in London are higher than in Wales and above the average for the whole of England. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 13:59 - Aug 4 with 1543 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 13:22 - Aug 4 by exhmrc1 |
You are fight what matters to us is the number of deaths and that is the bottom line. We want to save as many as possible. As far as London being a large city and the deaths perhaps we could look closer to home.
The 3 biggest cities by far in Wales are Cardiff, Swansea and Newport and not surprisingly they have the most ethnic people. Based on those factors you would expect the 3 health boards there to have the highest number of deaths. That hasnt proved the case.
The highest areas in Wales are Betsi Cadwalladr in North Wales followed by Cwm Taf covering Merthyr Tydfil, Bridgend and Rhondda Cynon Taff. Both areas have no large cities and low ethnic rates. Betsi Cadwalladr as an example has over a 100 deaths more than Cardiff and the Vale and Aneurin Bevan Health Boards and nearly 200 more than the Swansea Bay Health board.
London Lisa has been saying how the rate has been lower in London than Swansea and how low her area is. It is clear that currently the figures in London are higher than in Wales and above the average for the whole of England. |
About 700,000 people live in the Betsi Cadwallader health board area. I'd be worried if they didn't have the largest number of deaths. It is lucky there are no large cities or particular groups of ethnic minorities as the infection has been out of control - and still is in Wrexham. Yet they are under the same restictions as in Swansea who have very low levels of infection.
Cwm Taf towns are transit areas for Swansea, Cardiff and Newport and probably have some of the poorest health and highestlevels of poverty in the UK.
I know I said I couldn't be bothered but this is getting ridiculous. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:04 - Aug 4 with 1538 views | onehunglow |
The biggest issue on the horizon is the plan to enforce 0ver 50 to stay at home or/and for them to be given personal risk profiles.
I d happily conform if Boris stopped thee kunts on beaches /trains/shops without masks and crawling all over each other as they fight each other for a drink they dont need.
This will set older people against younger people.
Nice plan Boris.Not | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:01 - Aug 4 with 1518 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 13:59 - Aug 4 by Scotia |
About 700,000 people live in the Betsi Cadwallader health board area. I'd be worried if they didn't have the largest number of deaths. It is lucky there are no large cities or particular groups of ethnic minorities as the infection has been out of control - and still is in Wrexham. Yet they are under the same restictions as in Swansea who have very low levels of infection.
Cwm Taf towns are transit areas for Swansea, Cardiff and Newport and probably have some of the poorest health and highestlevels of poverty in the UK.
I know I said I couldn't be bothered but this is getting ridiculous. |
Betsi Cadwalladr is higher proportionately than the others. You can look at so many places. Kent, West Cheshire and Cumbria have more than double the average at the moment and they are not alone. It isnt about big cities or ethnic minorities. The average rate for England is double most local authorities in Wales.
BBC Wales has produced figures today for the rate per 100000
Ceredigion 0
Caerphilly 0
Newport 0.6
Bridgend 0.7
Gwynedd 0.8
Cardiff 1.4
Powys 1.5
Swansea 1.6
Pembrokeshire 1.6
Conwy 1.7
Carmarthenshire 2.1
Torfaen 2.1
Monmouthshire 2.1
Vale of Glamorgan 2.2
That is 14 of the Welsh authorities with less than 1/2 the England rate and there are another 4 below 3.3. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:30 - Aug 4 with 1501 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:01 - Aug 4 by exhmrc1 |
Betsi Cadwalladr is higher proportionately than the others. You can look at so many places. Kent, West Cheshire and Cumbria have more than double the average at the moment and they are not alone. It isnt about big cities or ethnic minorities. The average rate for England is double most local authorities in Wales.
BBC Wales has produced figures today for the rate per 100000
Ceredigion 0
Caerphilly 0
Newport 0.6
Bridgend 0.7
Gwynedd 0.8
Cardiff 1.4
Powys 1.5
Swansea 1.6
Pembrokeshire 1.6
Conwy 1.7
Carmarthenshire 2.1
Torfaen 2.1
Monmouthshire 2.1
Vale of Glamorgan 2.2
That is 14 of the Welsh authorities with less than 1/2 the England rate and there are another 4 below 3.3. |
No its not the only ones that have a lower proportianate death rate are Powys and Hywel Dda. Coincidentally the most rural health boards in Wales.
You are also comparing figures in a country not in lock down with a country that moved to a similar state of lock down yesterday, and cherry picking figures from both countries. I don't know why I'm bothering.
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:50 - Aug 4 with 1482 views | raynor94 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:30 - Aug 4 by Scotia |
No its not the only ones that have a lower proportianate death rate are Powys and Hywel Dda. Coincidentally the most rural health boards in Wales.
You are also comparing figures in a country not in lock down with a country that moved to a similar state of lock down yesterday, and cherry picking figures from both countries. I don't know why I'm bothering.
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Seriously, I'm amazed at your patience replying to the obstinate obnoxious individual.
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:59 - Aug 4 with 1495 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:30 - Aug 4 by Scotia |
No its not the only ones that have a lower proportianate death rate are Powys and Hywel Dda. Coincidentally the most rural health boards in Wales.
You are also comparing figures in a country not in lock down with a country that moved to a similar state of lock down yesterday, and cherry picking figures from both countries. I don't know why I'm bothering.
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Bristol which is quite a big racially diverse city has a figure of 5 new cases per 100,000 compared to the other English places I listed like Kent and Cumbria. Why! You cannot put that down to ethnicity or large city. The figures provide recently were about new cases and showed different types of localities all with low figures in a 7 day period. It included the 3 biggest cities, the smaller rural counties, disadvantaged areas and coastal areas yet 18 of the Welsh areas were below 3.3 cases in the last week and many below 2. Ask yourself why 18 areas of Wales have such low figures. It shouldnt take a genius to work it out. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:21 - Aug 4 with 1485 views | Kilkennyjack |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:26 - Aug 4 with 1482 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:50 - Aug 4 by raynor94 |
Seriously, I'm amazed at your patience replying to the obstinate obnoxious individual.
Lisa and yourself have shown him up for what he is. |
He's completely clueless. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:29 - Aug 4 with 1480 views | swan65split |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:21 - Aug 4 by Kilkennyjack |
Johnson fails again .. |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:33 - Aug 4 with 1478 views | swan65split |
2nd wave is on its way, Ive seen enough ignorance and idiotic behaviour around to see its birth, | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:49 - Aug 4 with 1473 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:59 - Aug 4 by exhmrc1 |
Bristol which is quite a big racially diverse city has a figure of 5 new cases per 100,000 compared to the other English places I listed like Kent and Cumbria. Why! You cannot put that down to ethnicity or large city. The figures provide recently were about new cases and showed different types of localities all with low figures in a 7 day period. It included the 3 biggest cities, the smaller rural counties, disadvantaged areas and coastal areas yet 18 of the Welsh areas were below 3.3 cases in the last week and many below 2. Ask yourself why 18 areas of Wales have such low figures. It shouldnt take a genius to work it out. |
I'm struggling to see what your point is here? I note you didn't include Wrexham or Denbighshire for Wales or somewhere like South Devon or Bournemouth for England. It is cherry picking locations to suit whatever argument you are attempting to make.
England has higher figures than Wales because they have been out of lock down for a month. That's obvious. As I've said it is controlling the inevitable outbreaks that is key, because we can't stay in lock down until there is a vaccine. That could be a year or more away.
Please tell me your not advocating that? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:36 - Aug 4 with 1461 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:49 - Aug 4 by Scotia |
I'm struggling to see what your point is here? I note you didn't include Wrexham or Denbighshire for Wales or somewhere like South Devon or Bournemouth for England. It is cherry picking locations to suit whatever argument you are attempting to make.
England has higher figures than Wales because they have been out of lock down for a month. That's obvious. As I've said it is controlling the inevitable outbreaks that is key, because we can't stay in lock down until there is a vaccine. That could be a year or more away.
Please tell me your not advocating that? |
As far as being out of lockdown is concerned neither Wales or England are out of it and probably wont be for months. Both countries have things to release before moving out of it and I dont envisage we will be fully out of it before Christmas. Having ignored his Chief Medical officer and Scientist's advice and having a spike I cannot think even someone as arrogant and stupid as Johnson will take that risk again
England has had to put a hold on its plans due to the larger numbers there. Officially it is said until 15 August but I suspect it will be later than that. The scientists and the chief medical officer are suggesting they dont have the head room to make further changes and some in the press are suggesting they will have to close pubs to open schools but only time will tell on that.
In Wales it will depend on whether opening things like Pubs and Gyms creates a spike or not. If it doesnt I can see further loosening being announced on 19 August to possibly include things like Ice Skating rinks, facial treatments and Casinos and maybe Theatres although it is likely there will be restrictions. That will leave things like Nightclubs and Discos which might not open yet.
I dont envisage spectator sports will reopen and I think the spike in England might have put a dent in that.
We are currently largely out of lockdown anyway and there are very few things left to open. I suspect social distancing and handwashing will be with us for some time possibly even years.
As far as what I picked I am trying to show that large cities and ethnicity is not the kind of reason for things in the way it is described. If it was Cardiff, Newport and Swansea would be the place with largest deaths. They arent and similarly places like Kent and Cumbria show that as well.
The bottom line is that the averages in new cases and also the number of deaths show that Wales is currently doing better than England and that despite your views the stricter lockdown and stay local ruleshave been why this is happening. The average of 3 new cases in Wales actually includes Wrexham, Denbighshire and Flintshire. Without them it would look even better. It would be 1.8. [Post edited 4 Aug 2020 18:03]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:24 - Aug 4 with 1421 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:36 - Aug 4 by exhmrc1 |
As far as being out of lockdown is concerned neither Wales or England are out of it and probably wont be for months. Both countries have things to release before moving out of it and I dont envisage we will be fully out of it before Christmas. Having ignored his Chief Medical officer and Scientist's advice and having a spike I cannot think even someone as arrogant and stupid as Johnson will take that risk again
England has had to put a hold on its plans due to the larger numbers there. Officially it is said until 15 August but I suspect it will be later than that. The scientists and the chief medical officer are suggesting they dont have the head room to make further changes and some in the press are suggesting they will have to close pubs to open schools but only time will tell on that.
In Wales it will depend on whether opening things like Pubs and Gyms creates a spike or not. If it doesnt I can see further loosening being announced on 19 August to possibly include things like Ice Skating rinks, facial treatments and Casinos and maybe Theatres although it is likely there will be restrictions. That will leave things like Nightclubs and Discos which might not open yet.
I dont envisage spectator sports will reopen and I think the spike in England might have put a dent in that.
We are currently largely out of lockdown anyway and there are very few things left to open. I suspect social distancing and handwashing will be with us for some time possibly even years.
As far as what I picked I am trying to show that large cities and ethnicity is not the kind of reason for things in the way it is described. If it was Cardiff, Newport and Swansea would be the place with largest deaths. They arent and similarly places like Kent and Cumbria show that as well.
The bottom line is that the averages in new cases and also the number of deaths show that Wales is currently doing better than England and that despite your views the stricter lockdown and stay local ruleshave been why this is happening. The average of 3 new cases in Wales actually includes Wrexham, Denbighshire and Flintshire. Without them it would look even better. It would be 1.8. [Post edited 4 Aug 2020 18:03]
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Of course there are less infections in Wales. England has been further out lock down for a couple of months, an increase in infections is inevitable. It is how they are controlled that matters.
Our infections will increase over the next couple of months too, and probably not as quickly throughout the country. We'll see pockets as in England. I promise I won't blame Drakeford when that happens. If he manages those situations well I'll give him the credit he deserves. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:34 - Aug 4 with 1416 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:24 - Aug 4 by Scotia |
Of course there are less infections in Wales. England has been further out lock down for a couple of months, an increase in infections is inevitable. It is how they are controlled that matters.
Our infections will increase over the next couple of months too, and probably not as quickly throughout the country. We'll see pockets as in England. I promise I won't blame Drakeford when that happens. If he manages those situations well I'll give him the credit he deserves. |
It was actually lower before and has been for about 2 months.
What concerns me and I have no axe to grind about Drakeford either way is that Johnson rushes in without proper thought. Look at the air bridges. Rushes in decides on Spain then changes his mind shortly after. The same thing has happened recently. Announces all these relations like sporting events then a few days later changes his mind due to the figures increasing.
I saw an interview with Frank Atherton in which he was saying that the chief medical officers of the 4 nations discuss the situation 4 times a week. They said to him why his advice was different to others. He said they give advice and the Politicians make decisions. It is pretty clear the advice is the same in all countries. It is just Johnson doesnt follow it in England and that is why it has increased there. Yesterday's figure was the highest since June. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:35 - Aug 4 with 1414 views | onehunglow |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:35 - Aug 4 by Jackfath |
That he is "fecked" and "Wales is nothing. NOTHING". I'm sure he'd love your input. |
Jackfath.
If you re going to quote me,dont elect what suit your agenda.
Without tourism ...yep...Wales really is nothing.
Want me to explain?
Ok then...How are the hated English held in contemtempt by the taxman going to be replaced a regards income into Wales. Have you any idea as to how reliant Wales is on the English scum who pop over and spent millions and provide most jobs on the north Wales coast. Have a word with a hotelier in Llandudno and report back to me. Forget the rest.They are blinded by nationalism. I want my native land to survive.Right now,it aint. Its been dying since the death of our previous core heavy Industries.
Thatcher's biggest mistake was not ensuring old industrial decay wasn't assuaged and regenerated in the way most northern England cities have .
London of course is pretty much immune form all this.Its why people flock there to live and would never go back as the job are there in abundance -still.
This country is so divided and frankly,an independent Wales ...I ''ll stop there ,I think. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:01 - Aug 4 with 1404 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:35 - Aug 4 by onehunglow |
Jackfath.
If you re going to quote me,dont elect what suit your agenda.
Without tourism ...yep...Wales really is nothing.
Want me to explain?
Ok then...How are the hated English held in contemtempt by the taxman going to be replaced a regards income into Wales. Have you any idea as to how reliant Wales is on the English scum who pop over and spent millions and provide most jobs on the north Wales coast. Have a word with a hotelier in Llandudno and report back to me. Forget the rest.They are blinded by nationalism. I want my native land to survive.Right now,it aint. Its been dying since the death of our previous core heavy Industries.
Thatcher's biggest mistake was not ensuring old industrial decay wasn't assuaged and regenerated in the way most northern England cities have .
London of course is pretty much immune form all this.Its why people flock there to live and would never go back as the job are there in abundance -still.
This country is so divided and frankly,an independent Wales ...I ''ll stop there ,I think. |
When have I held the English in contempt. That isnt the case and never has been. Try the differentiation between the policies of Johnson's government and the English people. I have very grave concern about the government's policies and the effect that is having on the English people. I also have concerns that someone from heavily infected areas could spread the virus here. That isnt being anti English. My best mate was English until he passed away. I am not anti English. I am anti the way Boris is handling things there. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:39 - Aug 4 with 1376 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:34 - Aug 4 by exhmrc1 |
It was actually lower before and has been for about 2 months.
What concerns me and I have no axe to grind about Drakeford either way is that Johnson rushes in without proper thought. Look at the air bridges. Rushes in decides on Spain then changes his mind shortly after. The same thing has happened recently. Announces all these relations like sporting events then a few days later changes his mind due to the figures increasing.
I saw an interview with Frank Atherton in which he was saying that the chief medical officers of the 4 nations discuss the situation 4 times a week. They said to him why his advice was different to others. He said they give advice and the Politicians make decisions. It is pretty clear the advice is the same in all countries. It is just Johnson doesnt follow it in England and that is why it has increased there. Yesterday's figure was the highest since June. |
It absolutely should be lower in Wales as a whole than England, surely that is completely obvious? Why do you think the early epicentre was London?
Johnson can't control infection levels in Spain the infection level there forced him to close the air bridge. The same could happen with any other currently safe country. At least in the meantime it allowed people to have a deserved holiday, safely, and help industry. I think he went a bit far including places like the canaries but on the whole it was the correct decision.
He's changed his mind on other factors based on the infection rate, exactly that could happen at any point here. He does seem to make rash decisions, and appears easily led in to those decisions. But it is his job to make those decisions, not Prof Whitty's as it isn't Frank Atherton's in here in Wales. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:49 - Aug 4 with 1372 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:39 - Aug 4 by Scotia |
It absolutely should be lower in Wales as a whole than England, surely that is completely obvious? Why do you think the early epicentre was London?
Johnson can't control infection levels in Spain the infection level there forced him to close the air bridge. The same could happen with any other currently safe country. At least in the meantime it allowed people to have a deserved holiday, safely, and help industry. I think he went a bit far including places like the canaries but on the whole it was the correct decision.
He's changed his mind on other factors based on the infection rate, exactly that could happen at any point here. He does seem to make rash decisions, and appears easily led in to those decisions. But it is his job to make those decisions, not Prof Whitty's as it isn't Frank Atherton's in here in Wales. |
It is all very well ignoring advice of people who know what they are doing but it leaves you extremely open when things have gone wrong as they have.
It is clear from listening to the likes of Chris Whitty and Frank Atherton that they are working very closely together. Ignoring the advice of professionals who know what they are talking about is foolish. What would you do if a doctor told you that you needed an operation that could save your life. Tell him you know better and ignore him.
They are adviser's for a reason. They have the knowledge in an area that a politician doesnt and only the very foolish ignore their advice. This is why he has had to change his policy. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:03 - Aug 4 with 1348 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:46 - Aug 4 by onehunglow |
I live very close to a holiday area.
I have a very good (English)chum who bought a small holding and opened up a camping/glamping ite in N/W Wales.
He spent much on doing up a crumbling relic and utilising local and welsh speaking labour together with locally sourced materials opened up shortly before the lockdown.
Right now,he is fecked,as are the economies of the north wales coastal resorts.
Without tourism,Wales is nothing.NOTHING.
It cannot live on water either. [Post edited 4 Aug 2020 10:47]
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Wales is not Disneyland.
Brenda and Keith from Stoke drive over with a car full of cheap food from shops in Stoke.
They only buy a coffee and an ice cream each day in Wales.
And petrol home.
We should double the Council tax on all second homes and charge a tourist tax like many countries do. Only fair.
We wont miss Brenda snd Keith if they choose Skeggy instead next year. Good riddance.
And don't bring your fecking covid into our rural communities.
Different if you come and respect our culture/language and our way of life.
Times have changed.
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