| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out 08:32 - Jul 6 with 3105 views | pikeypaul |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53280965
Great to start the week knowing these disgusting left wing thought camps are struggling.They go begging to Boris for more billions in funding, fecking hypocrites.
BOJO and Dominic needs to tell them go feck themselves after years of biting the hand that feeds them.
The article below is reason enough not to finance their propaganda programme and describes the type of places they have become perfectly.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/february-2020/the-free-speech-crisis-at-britains-
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 08:41 - Jul 6 with 2115 views | waynekerr55 |
Morning Toby. How's Michael? |  |
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 09:39 - Jul 6 with 2077 views | Professor |
Yeah.
Just shut them down. Not like we
Need anyone educated at university In society.
Amazing those whose perceptions of university are based on watching the ‘Young
ones ‘ and ‘The History Man ‘ in the 1980s. You probably have a couple of hundred people involved in student politics in a student population of 20000 or more in most Unis. Less than half of academics are in UCU.
Universities are very much businesses created by the coalition government policies.
I would agree they are very pro-EU as we do well in bringing EU students in and getting EU research funding. More pragmatic than political.
I get the feeling you have an issue as you were
Rejected from the joint studies course of ‘Janet and John with the history of facism’ |  | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:13 - Jul 6 with 2056 views | Highjack |
“or if you challenge the idea that Britain is a cesspool of racism, misogyny and homophobia, life can get very unpleasant very quickly. There’s zero tolerance for dissent.”
It’s a bit like posting on here really. |  |
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:18 - Jul 6 with 2050 views | felixstowe_jack |
We have far too many universities these days. A lot of them former polytechnics. Some out the degrees they hand out are if little or no use to UK employers. If a few go to wall and some course dropped it can only lead to higher standards for the rest. | |
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:45 - Jul 6 with 2021 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:18 - Jul 6 by felixstowe_jack |
We have far too many universities these days. A lot of them former polytechnics. Some out the degrees they hand out are if little or no use to UK employers. If a few go to wall and some course dropped it can only lead to higher standards for the rest. |
That horse has long bolted I am afraid. Customers want and expect from their purchase. That has driven down quality. There are probably about 20-30 too many universities.
Liverpool has 5! As for which- well some of the former polys and HE institutes are very good at meeting vocational needs- somewhere like Cardiff Met is very much driven by NHS, industrial design, hospitality requirements in Wales. You can argue the more frivolous nonsense is at the upper end of the Russell Group- PPE, History of Art, Land Economy and the like which are taken by the wealthy who don’t really need to get a vocation. Like politicians and royalty.
But the sector does need change. It’s questionable we need 13
Mainstream universities in NW England ( I would discount specialists like LIPA) nor we need 137 across the U.K. Do we really need 2 universities in Nottingham, Leicester and Coventry along with those in Derby and Loughborough . There is certainly a case of mergers being a sensible move- as happened in 1980s London or USW more recently. Instead we have had fragmentation- De Montfort at Leicester had Lincoln and Bedford campuses which are now separate institutions. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 10:46]
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:55 - Jul 6 with 2004 views | WarwickHunt |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 08:41 - Jul 6 by waynekerr55 |
Morning Toby. How's Michael? |
That will go way over the fûckwit’s head.
Easily done... |  | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 12:56 - Jul 6 with 1945 views | Kerouac |
Disgusting that this behaviour is tolerated on campus by the so called adults responsible.
We need clear, new, legislation on this and we need to start seeing some people losing their jobs if they are not prepared to run universities in a responsible manner.
This will carry on for as long as we allow it to carry on. |  |
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 13:06 - Jul 6 with 1936 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:45 - Jul 6 by Professor |
That horse has long bolted I am afraid. Customers want and expect from their purchase. That has driven down quality. There are probably about 20-30 too many universities.
Liverpool has 5! As for which- well some of the former polys and HE institutes are very good at meeting vocational needs- somewhere like Cardiff Met is very much driven by NHS, industrial design, hospitality requirements in Wales. You can argue the more frivolous nonsense is at the upper end of the Russell Group- PPE, History of Art, Land Economy and the like which are taken by the wealthy who don’t really need to get a vocation. Like politicians and royalty.
But the sector does need change. It’s questionable we need 13
Mainstream universities in NW England ( I would discount specialists like LIPA) nor we need 137 across the U.K. Do we really need 2 universities in Nottingham, Leicester and Coventry along with those in Derby and Loughborough . There is certainly a case of mergers being a sensible move- as happened in 1980s London or USW more recently. Instead we have had fragmentation- De Montfort at Leicester had Lincoln and Bedford campuses which are now separate institutions. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 10:46]
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I quite agree we need some of the failed universities to go. Another solution could be for the mega rich universities to take over the failing one.
Trinity college cambridge owns most of Felixstowe including the land the port of Felixstowe is built on. The main terminal at Britain's largest container port is named "Trinity terminal". | |
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 14:10 - Jul 6 with 1898 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 13:06 - Jul 6 by felixstowe_jack |
I quite agree we need some of the failed universities to go. Another solution could be for the mega rich universities to take over the failing one.
Trinity college cambridge owns most of Felixstowe including the land the port of Felixstowe is built on. The main terminal at Britain's largest container port is named "Trinity terminal". |
The wealth and influence of Oxbirdge is enormous, but most of the larger universities will be able to 'tough' it out. The lower end of the food chain may not as all the UK students will be swallowed up by the big guys-without the lucrative overseas students this is what is being targeted (we are pretty much full for next year with fewer than 400 places on a 5000+ entry going into clearing). I can't see bigger institutions taking over small ones-it does look increasingly like the US with teaching Universities and big, wealthy universities hoovering up the best students and all research income.
I also hold the view that we should have technical universities offering vocational training allied to industry (any industry) including part time study. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 14:38 - Jul 6 with 1891 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 12:56 - Jul 6 by Kerouac |
Disgusting that this behaviour is tolerated on campus by the so called adults responsible.
We need clear, new, legislation on this and we need to start seeing some people losing their jobs if they are not prepared to run universities in a responsible manner.
This will carry on for as long as we allow it to carry on. |
Perhaps we should go back to direct funding-that's very socialist. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 15:46 - Jul 6 with 1862 views | pikeypaul |
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What was it Leon the remoaner said about the charity boss losing his job after being hounded by the left wing students ?
Oh dear , how sad, never mind.
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 16:46 - Jul 6 with 1821 views | Humpty |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:55 - Jul 6 by WarwickHunt |
That will go way over the fûckwit’s head.
Easily done... |
It's gone over mine as well. |  | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:28 - Jul 6 with 1790 views | Lohengrin |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 10:45 - Jul 6 by Professor |
That horse has long bolted I am afraid. Customers want and expect from their purchase. That has driven down quality. There are probably about 20-30 too many universities.
Liverpool has 5! As for which- well some of the former polys and HE institutes are very good at meeting vocational needs- somewhere like Cardiff Met is very much driven by NHS, industrial design, hospitality requirements in Wales. You can argue the more frivolous nonsense is at the upper end of the Russell Group- PPE, History of Art, Land Economy and the like which are taken by the wealthy who don’t really need to get a vocation. Like politicians and royalty.
But the sector does need change. It’s questionable we need 13
Mainstream universities in NW England ( I would discount specialists like LIPA) nor we need 137 across the U.K. Do we really need 2 universities in Nottingham, Leicester and Coventry along with those in Derby and Loughborough . There is certainly a case of mergers being a sensible move- as happened in 1980s London or USW more recently. Instead we have had fragmentation- De Montfort at Leicester had Lincoln and Bedford campuses which are now separate institutions. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 10:46]
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Do you really consider Land Economy to be a frivolous subject, Prof? I’m surprised at that. Isn’t it centred on the intersection of economics and environment, exploring responsible and sustainable natural resource management?
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:34 - Jul 6 with 1782 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:28 - Jul 6 by Lohengrin |
Do you really consider Land Economy to be a frivolous subject, Prof? I’m surprised at that. Isn’t it centred on the intersection of economics and environment, exploring responsible and sustainable natural resource management?
Sounds very much a necessary discipline to me. |
I don’t consider Land Economy to be frivolous either.
Many of the big land management people (including the National Trust) are graduates of the Cambridge course.
PPE isn’t frivolous either btw, nor History of Art in my view. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:34 - Jul 6 with 1780 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:28 - Jul 6 by Lohengrin |
Do you really consider Land Economy to be a frivolous subject, Prof? I’m surprised at that. Isn’t it centred on the intersection of economics and environment, exploring responsible and sustainable natural resource management?
Sounds very much a necessary discipline to me. |
It’s the course all the sportsmen -for the rugby team and rowing eights in Cambridge - not too taxing. Normally done as a masters!
There are ‘real’ agricultural economics degrees too. Places like Royal Agricultural College. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:37 - Jul 6 with 1776 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:34 - Jul 6 by Professor |
It’s the course all the sportsmen -for the rugby team and rowing eights in Cambridge - not too taxing. Normally done as a masters!
There are ‘real’ agricultural economics degrees too. Places like Royal Agricultural College. |
Quite a few of the rugby guys have done medicine over the years - they aren’t all thickos.
The problem with Cirencester is being surrounded by the people at Cirencester...
Now that is full of posh boys. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:40 - Jul 6 with 1772 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:34 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
I don’t consider Land Economy to be frivolous either.
Many of the big land management people (including the National Trust) are graduates of the Cambridge course.
PPE isn’t frivolous either btw, nor History of Art in my view. |
Probably not. More to make a point that many degrees (indeed most in Russell Group) are not vocational or directly useful for most people in employment. More on the assumption that ‘new’ universities are just running media studies or peace studies degrees. I am sure there are good people who have read Land Economy- have just been told by several reasonable sources it is also populated by the less academically minded too. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:41 - Jul 6 with 1770 views | Lohengrin |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:34 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
I don’t consider Land Economy to be frivolous either.
Many of the big land management people (including the National Trust) are graduates of the Cambridge course.
PPE isn’t frivolous either btw, nor History of Art in my view. |
What was it GBS said? Something along the lines of ‘you use a mirror to see your face; you use works of art to see your soul.’
When we’re not lobbing bricks at each other we agree on quite a lot.  | |
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:45 - Jul 6 with 1763 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:37 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Quite a few of the rugby guys have done medicine over the years - they aren’t all thickos.
The problem with Cirencester is being surrounded by the people at Cirencester...
Now that is full of posh boys. |
Of course not- plenty of examples of the reverse. I remember a university friend (from Cambridge) who as a bit obsessed with the Land Economy students in the Varsity Match. He went in 1988 and was highly amused that 10 of the Cambridge squad were on the Land Economy Degree. Not sure if it is as true now with professionalism.
I think the RAC would be living hell! I should have said Harper Adams which is much better. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:46 - Jul 6 with 1761 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:40 - Jul 6 by Professor |
Probably not. More to make a point that many degrees (indeed most in Russell Group) are not vocational or directly useful for most people in employment. More on the assumption that ‘new’ universities are just running media studies or peace studies degrees. I am sure there are good people who have read Land Economy- have just been told by several reasonable sources it is also populated by the less academically minded too. |
The guys who earn blues for rugby or rowing can populate most courses and have a great degree of latitude shown them!
Some occupations don’t require a specific discipline but instead require the ability to think, Independently research, digest, present. It’s always been the case that, in particular arts, degrees at one of the Russell Group universities are less vocational and more generalist.
The criticisms of ‘media studies’ largely comes from those who’ve never been near any sort of university, although it’s undoubtedly the case that some universities and people at university aren’t really providing, or being provided, with an education worth even a fraction of its cost and kids would be better doing something very different. | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 18:04 - Jul 6 with 1746 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:46 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
The guys who earn blues for rugby or rowing can populate most courses and have a great degree of latitude shown them!
Some occupations don’t require a specific discipline but instead require the ability to think, Independently research, digest, present. It’s always been the case that, in particular arts, degrees at one of the Russell Group universities are less vocational and more generalist.
The criticisms of ‘media studies’ largely comes from those who’ve never been near any sort of university, although it’s undoubtedly the case that some universities and people at university aren’t really providing, or being provided, with an education worth even a fraction of its cost and kids would be better doing something very different. |
This is all true. There is an issue over the sector size and the loss of HNC/HND approaches which suit some area more. The reality is few people study something pointless. But as you say there has become an expectation to ‘go to uni’ which means people do when they really are not suited. We (universities) are guilty in their recruitment.
Between external examining and taking my daughter to Open Days I have seen a lot of good and bad practice in the last few years. Generally I have been most impressed by the 1960s non-Russell Group Campus-based places. Trying to read and assess a pretty poor PhD thesis at the moment. Needs a lot of work- from a ‘top’ university | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 18:08 - Jul 6 with 1742 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 18:04 - Jul 6 by Professor |
This is all true. There is an issue over the sector size and the loss of HNC/HND approaches which suit some area more. The reality is few people study something pointless. But as you say there has become an expectation to ‘go to uni’ which means people do when they really are not suited. We (universities) are guilty in their recruitment.
Between external examining and taking my daughter to Open Days I have seen a lot of good and bad practice in the last few years. Generally I have been most impressed by the 1960s non-Russell Group Campus-based places. Trying to read and assess a pretty poor PhD thesis at the moment. Needs a lot of work- from a ‘top’ university |
Must be the Fens Technical College... | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 18:14 - Jul 6 with 1739 views | Professor |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 18:08 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Must be the Fens Technical College... |
Right side of the country but much further north. May not be same country much longer either | | | |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 18:52 - Jul 6 with 1712 views | Dr_Winston |
In my experience there's a big problem with people doing degrees without any clear plan as to what they do afterwards, which is fine, but I'm not sure of the sense in running up tens of thousands worth of student debt just for the sake of it. The amount of graduates who end up working in call centres is staggering.
A lot of this seems to stem from the Blair years vow to have 50% of school leavers going to Uni, which to me devalues both the worth of a degree and the idea of non-University education.
There needs to be a big re-evaluation in what career paths require a graduate qualification, and which would be better served by a proper apprenticeship with the appropriate technical qualifications. |  |
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| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 13:32 - Jul 7 with 1554 views | Lohengrin |
| Left wing propaganda camps beg Boris for bail out on 17:34 - Jul 6 by Professor |
It’s the course all the sportsmen -for the rugby team and rowing eights in Cambridge - not too taxing. Normally done as a masters!
There are ‘real’ agricultural economics degrees too. Places like Royal Agricultural College. |
Indeed there are plenty of other options, Prof. In an ideal world where we are free to tread any path we choose I’d have read Soil Science then returned to an area of land where putting theory into practice was entirely viable.
Alas! it wasn’t to be. It would be a lie to make out my childhood was impoverished, it was nothing of the sort, but the latitude to indulge a teenage boy with five hundred acres and a barn full of equipment simply wasn’t there. No matter how eager he was. | |
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