| Coronavirus mortality 23:32 - Oct 2 with 14595 views | Professor |
Let’s put a true perspective on this. 99.5% of people survive. Well maybe, though probably closer to 99%. Imagine a full house at the Liberty.
Imagine as you go out a line of 120 people (maybe 240). They are executed.
That is a 0.5% mortality rate.
It’s not a binary disease either. More will have long term illness.
Just think about that.
This is not supporting a lockdown or any other specific intervention. Just a reality check. By the way flu has a 0.1% mortality rate. |  | | |  |
| Coronavirus mortality on 17:57 - Oct 11 with 1101 views | exhmrc1 |
| Coronavirus mortality on 17:41 - Oct 11 by onehunglow |
Fan dad
What you think of Piers Corbyn-man of the peopl- suggeting we do not need masks,distancing,lockdown or vaccine.
For me,this man is promoting death for many |
He is as bad as her brother. Labour Party would be well rid of both and the sidekicks. Only way forward. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 18:26 - Oct 11 with 1085 views | controversial_jack |
| Coronavirus mortality on 17:57 - Oct 11 by exhmrc1 |
He is as bad as her brother. Labour Party would be well rid of both and the sidekicks. Only way forward. |
Forward with Boris and Patel? Good luck! | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 18:47 - Oct 11 with 1071 views | Andy1300 |
Hey, I guess if the figures are not going the correct way for a lockdown, let’s move the goalposts
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| Coronavirus mortality on 19:03 - Oct 11 with 1065 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Coronavirus mortality on 17:41 - Oct 11 by onehunglow |
Fan dad
What you think of Piers Corbyn-man of the peopl- suggeting we do not need masks,distancing,lockdown or vaccine.
For me,this man is promoting death for many |
He is one of those who believe in the Sweden Model for handling COVID-19.
I am not, but I am also not in favour of full lockdowns either.
I am in favour of the South Korean method, which we can't do because our governments have been woefully lacking in preparing for pandemics.
Barring that it is boosted immune systems, social distancing, masks, glove & glasses in confined spaces and the use of every possible medicine that can help. With proper isolation and focused quarantine, lockdown is the wrong name for it.
The problem is nobody can control the youngsters, so it should be up to the families to control their contact with the vulnerable.
Let the youngsters, especially Uni students catch it, get over it and then let them back in to society. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:22 - Oct 11 with 1044 views | Scotia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 17:38 - Oct 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
Prof.
What do you think of the latest Study from Australia that suggests that COVID-19 can survive up to 28 days on hard surfaces at a temperature of 20C. |
I know it's not addressed to me but what struck me was that the research was based on the material being kept in the dark to remove the effect of UV light.
I have no idea how quickly uv light can impact or kill the virus but it is clearly not representative of normal conditions. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:06 - Oct 11 with 1035 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:22 - Oct 11 by Scotia |
I know it's not addressed to me but what struck me was that the research was based on the material being kept in the dark to remove the effect of UV light.
I have no idea how quickly uv light can impact or kill the virus but it is clearly not representative of normal conditions. |
That depends on the "conditions".
Consider a plastic wrapped article or metal article inside a box, no UV at all.
Anywhere in doors that does not get direct sunlight does not get UV, as ordinary lights do not emit it in enough quantity to do anything.
Also temperatures go well below 20C. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 22:14 - Oct 11 with 1006 views | Scotia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:06 - Oct 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
That depends on the "conditions".
Consider a plastic wrapped article or metal article inside a box, no UV at all.
Anywhere in doors that does not get direct sunlight does not get UV, as ordinary lights do not emit it in enough quantity to do anything.
Also temperatures go well below 20C. |
It seems to be absolutely lab secure conditions. Nevertheless it seems to be durable. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 22:17 - Oct 11 with 1004 views | Scotia |
If anyone needs to see a picture of absolute morons. Check out the photo Andy Robinson has put on Instagram.
About 40 blokes in Rockferry standing so close they are in contact. No wonder they'll be back in lockdown. | | | |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 06:32 - Oct 12 with 961 views | Professor |
| Coronavirus mortality on 18:47 - Oct 11 by Andy1300 |
Hey, I guess if the figures are not going the correct way for a lockdown, let’s move the goalposts
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Not what it means. JHB spin. PHE will report Covid as one of multiple pathogens in a single report. It’s not combining data, it just means there will not be report separately for Covid.
Exactly how all other diseases are shown. Gastrointestinal report (which ins monthly) shows each pathogen individually. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 09:20 - Oct 12 with 933 views | onehunglow |
Scotia.
Its a fair point you make and people will suffer until they realise their stupidity is costing lives and jobs.
Socialising/gettin pissed i NOT a priority.
If we used common sense then we could end regulations but we do not and then blame others .
Nothing will change until we do | |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 09:52 - Oct 12 with 916 views | Professor |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:22 - Oct 11 by Scotia |
I know it's not addressed to me but what struck me was that the research was based on the material being kept in the dark to remove the effect of UV light.
I have no idea how quickly uv light can impact or kill the virus but it is clearly not representative of normal conditions. |
So-to both of you really.
It's a good study, though of course limited by its artificiality. It's clear it is a virus with unusual capacity to survive of hard surfaces, though limited on fibrous material.
The caveat, that Scotia is correct, is that this is in the dark. UV is very likely to be the biggest contribution to viruses becoming non viable (I won't say dead as its debatable if viruses truly 'live' anyway). No doubt you know the association between UV and melanoma. UV damages DNA and RNA causing mutations that lead to cancer or to cell death. UV is used in water and sewage treatment and we use it to 'blast' safety cabinets before use to reduce contamination is cell culture. Were also have UV in a PCR suite which is run overnight for same reasons.
You may question why? Well, perhaps with UV the results were 'less interesting' and they were left out of the manuscript to make it more publishable. Or they have the data with UV which may appear as a second paper. As the system favours publishing more and in 'good' journals this sort of salami slicing happens. I don't like it, but its the nature of the beast Less frequent in the UK as having papers to return to the REF (Research Evaluation Framework) will favour those who publish the very best work since the maximum return in five per person over six years | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 10:17 - Oct 13 with 841 views | Highjack |
Can anybody explain the timeline on this article about a man getting covid twice. It says he had the first symptoms on March 18th but didn’t test positive for almost another month. Then the same thing happened again. Does this suggest that the fourteen day self isolation period is not long enough? There’s well over three weeks between him getting symptoms and testing positive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034 |  |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 10:43 - Oct 13 with 827 views | exhmrc1 |
| Coronavirus mortality on 10:17 - Oct 13 by Highjack |
Can anybody explain the timeline on this article about a man getting covid twice. It says he had the first symptoms on March 18th but didn’t test positive for almost another month. Then the same thing happened again. Does this suggest that the fourteen day self isolation period is not long enough? There’s well over three weeks between him getting symptoms and testing positive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034 |
Initially tests were only being offered and the time taken for his symptoms to get worse and need hospital treatment would be weeks. They reckon it takes 3 weeks from getting infections to people needing hospital treatment. Also at the stage due to the lack of testing people were told to just stay at home for 2 weeks to avoid passing the virus on.
At the moment there is a problem with the speed of tests returning from Lighthouse Labs in England. People are having tests not returned for days. By the time this guy realised and got a test it could well have been a week especially if this was a home test. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 10:47 - Oct 13 with 827 views | Professor |
| Coronavirus mortality on 10:17 - Oct 13 by Highjack |
Can anybody explain the timeline on this article about a man getting covid twice. It says he had the first symptoms on March 18th but didn’t test positive for almost another month. Then the same thing happened again. Does this suggest that the fourteen day self isolation period is not long enough? There’s well over three weeks between him getting symptoms and testing positive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034 |
Two possibilities (have looked at the actual paper)
1. The test used is very sensitive and will detect viral genetic material after the individual is no longer infectious- this is one of Carl Heneghan's arguments that we are over reporting. SO this guy was infected in March and still had some virus particles a month on.
2. The symptoms were not Covid 19 (-to be honest that could be food poisoning) and he only became infected at a later date-perhaps even asymptomatically.
What is interesting is the type of antibody found (IgM )is consistent with an early first or primary response. Re-exposure and a secondary response would generate more IgG and perhaps IgA responses. Either way it does not look like he had much of an immune response first time. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 14:34 - Oct 13 with 796 views | Groo |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:03 - Oct 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
He is one of those who believe in the Sweden Model for handling COVID-19.
I am not, but I am also not in favour of full lockdowns either.
I am in favour of the South Korean method, which we can't do because our governments have been woefully lacking in preparing for pandemics.
Barring that it is boosted immune systems, social distancing, masks, glove & glasses in confined spaces and the use of every possible medicine that can help. With proper isolation and focused quarantine, lockdown is the wrong name for it.
The problem is nobody can control the youngsters, so it should be up to the families to control their contact with the vulnerable.
Let the youngsters, especially Uni students catch it, get over it and then let them back in to society. |
The Sweden model.
The death rate per million population in Sweden (583) has been between 5 and 10 times more than its imediate neighbours Finland (62), Denmark (114) and Norway (51) who had lockdown's.
The current death rate in UK per million is 631, compared to France (502), Belgium (880) and Holland (387).
This means as a simple calc, the death rate in the UK could be around 3000 to 4000 per million using the Sweden model. This would be figures of 200,000 to 270,000 deaths. |  |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 14:43 - Oct 13 with 793 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Yet another badly designed study, what is wrong with the UK medical system.
After all this time they have decided to carry out a 6 month Vitamin D study as a general prophylactic (Not COVID specific), apparently without a control group.
No study giving it to those already having COVID to see if it helps. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 15:30 - Oct 13 with 784 views | Professor |
| Coronavirus mortality on 14:34 - Oct 13 by Groo |
The Sweden model.
The death rate per million population in Sweden (583) has been between 5 and 10 times more than its imediate neighbours Finland (62), Denmark (114) and Norway (51) who had lockdown's.
The current death rate in UK per million is 631, compared to France (502), Belgium (880) and Holland (387).
This means as a simple calc, the death rate in the UK could be around 3000 to 4000 per million using the Sweden model. This would be figures of 200,000 to 270,000 deaths. |
Also no economic advantage over its neighbours.
Levels rising too. Mainly in Stockholm | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 02:11 - Oct 14 with 722 views | Jack123 |
| Coronavirus mortality on 15:30 - Oct 13 by Professor |
Also no economic advantage over its neighbours.
Levels rising too. Mainly in Stockholm |
Let's face it Prof, who gives a dam anymore..
It's absolute nonsense, and this is going to stick with us for at least another 6 months, it's absolute Bollocks, and it doesn't need me too be a scientist to see it, It's rubbish, too keep the education system open, yet prevent people comforting their mother when their father has died,,it's absolute rubbish,,
There is no science in what they are doing now, because the idiots don't know what they are doing... And worst is yet to come, but it's ok it will keep us safe..
I don't care no more, I want normallity back. |  |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 14:23 - Oct 14 with 651 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Coronavirus mortality on 02:11 - Oct 14 by Jack123 |
Let's face it Prof, who gives a dam anymore..
It's absolute nonsense, and this is going to stick with us for at least another 6 months, it's absolute Bollocks, and it doesn't need me too be a scientist to see it, It's rubbish, too keep the education system open, yet prevent people comforting their mother when their father has died,,it's absolute rubbish,,
There is no science in what they are doing now, because the idiots don't know what they are doing... And worst is yet to come, but it's ok it will keep us safe..
I don't care no more, I want normallity back. |
There never was any actual Science from the start, just modelling, with crappy old flu models.
The real data was collated a few years ago, telling the government we weren't ready for any kind of epidemic, let alone a pandemic.
They did absolutely nothing.
They chose the wrong option to start with and by the time they realised that the death toll would be unacceptable it was too late to do the best things.
Lockdowns can only work with the acceptance of the public and there aren't many countries with the sort of public mentality that can take very long lockdowns without rebellion. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:11 - Oct 14 with 616 views | Andy1300 |
And all of a sudden, it’s fine to let other people die
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