| Coronavirus mortality 23:32 - Oct 2 with 14593 views | Professor |
Let’s put a true perspective on this. 99.5% of people survive. Well maybe, though probably closer to 99%. Imagine a full house at the Liberty.
Imagine as you go out a line of 120 people (maybe 240). They are executed.
That is a 0.5% mortality rate.
It’s not a binary disease either. More will have long term illness.
Just think about that.
This is not supporting a lockdown or any other specific intervention. Just a reality check. By the way flu has a 0.1% mortality rate. |  | | |  |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:41 - Oct 3 with 955 views | onehunglow |
Listen.
You not not catch cancer as you do Covid.
My mother developed cancer and died.My father the same,then my wife had it and survived .
Neither parent caught it neither did my wife. When she was having chemo,I was there with her and held her hand;we were close. I didnt catch it.
My best friend died recently of covid having caught it so spare me any more of that which you throw my way.
Why do you think countries close borders/To stop catching it.
This IS the biggest health /social is our lifetime and no amount of denial nor seeking to minimise the effects will work.
The world ha not seen this before yet our net experts seem to think they know best.
Tell me,champ,tell us how you would solve this issue.
The world is listening [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 19:49]
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| Coronavirus mortality on 19:45 - Oct 3 with 942 views | Glossolalia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:41 - Oct 3 by onehunglow |
Listen.
You not not catch cancer as you do Covid.
My mother developed cancer and died.My father the same,then my wife had it and survived .
Neither parent caught it neither did my wife. When she was having chemo,I was there with her and held her hand;we were close. I didnt catch it.
My best friend died recently of covid having caught it so spare me any more of that which you throw my way.
Why do you think countries close borders/To stop catching it.
This IS the biggest health /social is our lifetime and no amount of denial nor seeking to minimise the effects will work.
The world ha not seen this before yet our net experts seem to think they know best.
Tell me,champ,tell us how you would solve this issue.
The world is listening [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 19:49]
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What on earth are you suggesting that I don't understand. You and I both know that sentence wasn't the reason for my response. I, like no one here, knows the answer. A fatuous challenge.
Even If I knew the answer, champ, the world won't listen.
I sympathise with your travails, but I never did think one could 'catch' cancer. Unsure as to what point you're trying to make. If anything, cancer sounds far worse, and has actually killed far more since this all began.
It was your suggestion that all cancer is unavoidable that produced my response. A ridiculous notion.
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| Coronavirus mortality on 19:46 - Oct 3 with 939 views | Andy1300 |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:41 - Oct 3 by onehunglow |
Listen.
You not not catch cancer as you do Covid.
My mother developed cancer and died.My father the same,then my wife had it and survived .
Neither parent caught it neither did my wife. When she was having chemo,I was there with her and held her hand;we were close. I didnt catch it.
My best friend died recently of covid having caught it so spare me any more of that which you throw my way.
Why do you think countries close borders/To stop catching it.
This IS the biggest health /social is our lifetime and no amount of denial nor seeking to minimise the effects will work.
The world ha not seen this before yet our net experts seem to think they know best.
Tell me,champ,tell us how you would solve this issue.
The world is listening [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 19:49]
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What percentage of covid positives die?
Certainly nowhere remotely close to percentage of cancer sufferers |  |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 19:52 - Oct 3 with 928 views | onehunglow |
Andy,we are talking about the virus spreading,which is why cancer cannot be used as a comparison.
Yeah,economically we are fecked .
Let's open the borders,state no need for masks,forget social distancing and open reopen pubs and clubs and stadia. Pointless having an economy when people are dying in the droves.
Come to think of it.Im out of this "debate" | |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 19:52 - Oct 3 with 918 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Coronavirus mortality on 16:18 - Oct 3 by Scotia |
It is just shit of the Internet though isn't it?
Look at the two principal treatments that Trump has been given, Remdesivir and monoclonal Antibodies. Two unproven and experimental drugs. Although of course we may not have the full story.
Let's be honest if there was any better treatment or prophylaxis available he, above anyone else, would have been given it. The fact he contracted the virus speaks volumes as to how infectious it is, his hospitalisation demonstrates that there is no "off the shelf" remedy. The absence of HCQ is conspicuous by its absence in his treatment as is azithromycin. |
Yes, no mention of the FDA banned HCQ at all, I can't think why.
Instead they are going for experimental drugs that presumably they think give him the best chance of recovery.
One minor problem, have they actually tested them in combination?
Remdesivir has some nasty side affects and is not that effective, but I have no information at all on the polyclonal antibody cocktail made by Regeneron.
It sounds dicey.
There is also fake news out there already, someone is lying about his treatment and his overall condition. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:57 - Oct 3 with 924 views | Glossolalia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:52 - Oct 3 by onehunglow |
Andy,we are talking about the virus spreading,which is why cancer cannot be used as a comparison.
Yeah,economically we are fecked .
Let's open the borders,state no need for masks,forget social distancing and open reopen pubs and clubs and stadia. Pointless having an economy when people are dying in the droves.
Come to think of it.Im out of this "debate" |
I think it's for the best. I'm genuinely confused by you. No doubt this is the biggest economical and social event since WWII. Of course, none of which is the fault of the disease itself. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 20:00]
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| Coronavirus mortality on 20:17 - Oct 3 with 884 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Great study, go and have a read.
They looked for anything referring to Trump or mentioning Trump.
With the whole of the Globalist Mass Media attacking Trump at every turn, who do you think will get the most mentions?
Quite funny really a biased study looking for bias and finding it.
Look and ye shall find. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 20:18]
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| Coronavirus mortality on 20:49 - Oct 3 with 877 views | DJack |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:17 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
Great study, go and have a read.
They looked for anything referring to Trump or mentioning Trump.
With the whole of the Globalist Mass Media attacking Trump at every turn, who do you think will get the most mentions?
Quite funny really a biased study looking for bias and finding it.
Look and ye shall find. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 20:18]
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You obviously didn't read it or you had extreme bias specs on. Go on give it another go.
"Cornell University researchers analyzing 38 million English-language articles about the pandemic found that President Trump was the largest driver of the “infodemic."" |  |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 20:49 - Oct 3 with 876 views | Catullus |
| Coronavirus mortality on 14:43 - Oct 3 by Glossolalia |
You truly believe that utter economic and social devastation is the answer to this? We are 6 months in and are fooked. Crippled. Come back to me when the next set of rules come in, and the next, and the next.
Covid accounted for 10% of deaths between Jan and July 2020. Overwhelmingly in those with health complications and those very vulnerable and old. These people are more likely to die, full stop. What the hell can we do to stop old people dying? Nothing. Because when you're old, you tend to die. It can't be avoided.
From the ONS - 'When considering deaths registered in 2020 to date (1 January to 31 July) in England, the age-standardised mortality rate for deaths registered in 2020 was significantly higher than the mortality rate in each year back to 2009'.
No surprises here. More old people have died this year than usual. Mitigate risk; shield them and be kind, of course. But shut down our lives? Absolute nonsense. And for what? People who generally spend far more time indoors anyway? Who, in the main, have their lives behind and not ahead of them?
I'm not frightened for anybody. My 96 year old nan survived Covid without a scratch, but if it had taken her, I'd have been fine with it. Why? Because she's 96 for f uck sake. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 14:52]
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What is so often being ignored is the long term health effects that covid is having on many people. Long covid, as they term it is a problem because it affects working age people.
Of course old people die but don't forget, here in Wales we have an ageing population many of whom have health problems. We cannot allow the NHS to be snowed under with covid cases or we won't be able to treat other sick people. | |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 20:54 - Oct 3 with 875 views | DJack |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:49 - Oct 3 by Catullus |
What is so often being ignored is the long term health effects that covid is having on many people. Long covid, as they term it is a problem because it affects working age people.
Of course old people die but don't forget, here in Wales we have an ageing population many of whom have health problems. We cannot allow the NHS to be snowed under with covid cases or we won't be able to treat other sick people. |
They refuse to see it Cat. | |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 21:15 - Oct 3 with 862 views | Glossolalia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:49 - Oct 3 by Catullus |
What is so often being ignored is the long term health effects that covid is having on many people. Long covid, as they term it is a problem because it affects working age people.
Of course old people die but don't forget, here in Wales we have an ageing population many of whom have health problems. We cannot allow the NHS to be snowed under with covid cases or we won't be able to treat other sick people. |
The UK is 50th in average ages. The average male is just under 40. We are not a particularly old country. Sweden is older on average...
My sister has 'long covid' and she's managing and still working are a cardiologist. Tired, fatigued but doing well. It's what we do. It's what we're supposed to do. Thrive in adversity, not shut down most opportunities to do so.
Don't you see the sheer amount of field hospitals erected in anticipation of a wave of Covid cases, that didn't come? One out of 19 used in the end.
Snowed under? We had the capacity to go much further, instead or ruining our country since March. We had so much headroom! Such a chance to get a meaningful number of people immune to it. Instead we're gonna have minor contractions and relaxations of rules for a long, long time. All the while, barely a semblance of normal life to show for it. This is what you want?
The infrastructure of this country is robust enough to deal to so many more cases, whilst we move on collectively, allow to healthy to continue, and give the vulnerable the support they deserve.
Do you know dementia is a top killer in this country? Do you know an utter lack of communication and love and support, thanks to these rules, have killed thousands prematurely? Many elderly people have a single thread keeping them going. It's been sheared off.
Me out - I'm off to read a book. I see where many come from -they are scared stiff of this. But for heaven's sake, don't judge others as myopic just because they see a wider picture. Cancer on the rise; loneliness; suicide; depression; social and economic contraction; masses unemployed; small businesses ruined. F uck covid yes, but f uck these rules more. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 21:23]
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| Coronavirus mortality on 21:20 - Oct 3 with 847 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Coronavirus mortality on 20:49 - Oct 3 by DJack |
You obviously didn't read it or you had extreme bias specs on. Go on give it another go.
"Cornell University researchers analyzing 38 million English-language articles about the pandemic found that President Trump was the largest driver of the “infodemic."" |
Try looking at their "search criteria" in the actual study. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:23 - Oct 3 with 844 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:15 - Oct 3 by Glossolalia |
The UK is 50th in average ages. The average male is just under 40. We are not a particularly old country. Sweden is older on average...
My sister has 'long covid' and she's managing and still working are a cardiologist. Tired, fatigued but doing well. It's what we do. It's what we're supposed to do. Thrive in adversity, not shut down most opportunities to do so.
Don't you see the sheer amount of field hospitals erected in anticipation of a wave of Covid cases, that didn't come? One out of 19 used in the end.
Snowed under? We had the capacity to go much further, instead or ruining our country since March. We had so much headroom! Such a chance to get a meaningful number of people immune to it. Instead we're gonna have minor contractions and relaxations of rules for a long, long time. All the while, barely a semblance of normal life to show for it. This is what you want?
The infrastructure of this country is robust enough to deal to so many more cases, whilst we move on collectively, allow to healthy to continue, and give the vulnerable the support they deserve.
Do you know dementia is a top killer in this country? Do you know an utter lack of communication and love and support, thanks to these rules, have killed thousands prematurely? Many elderly people have a single thread keeping them going. It's been sheared off.
Me out - I'm off to read a book. I see where many come from -they are scared stiff of this. But for heaven's sake, don't judge others as myopic just because they see a wider picture. Cancer on the rise; loneliness; suicide; depression; social and economic contraction; masses unemployed; small businesses ruined. F uck covid yes, but f uck these rules more. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 21:23]
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You forgot to mention the thousands of empty Private hospital beds as well.
The government and NHS senior management couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:55 - Oct 3 with 845 views | DJack |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:15 - Oct 3 by Glossolalia |
The UK is 50th in average ages. The average male is just under 40. We are not a particularly old country. Sweden is older on average...
My sister has 'long covid' and she's managing and still working are a cardiologist. Tired, fatigued but doing well. It's what we do. It's what we're supposed to do. Thrive in adversity, not shut down most opportunities to do so.
Don't you see the sheer amount of field hospitals erected in anticipation of a wave of Covid cases, that didn't come? One out of 19 used in the end.
Snowed under? We had the capacity to go much further, instead or ruining our country since March. We had so much headroom! Such a chance to get a meaningful number of people immune to it. Instead we're gonna have minor contractions and relaxations of rules for a long, long time. All the while, barely a semblance of normal life to show for it. This is what you want?
The infrastructure of this country is robust enough to deal to so many more cases, whilst we move on collectively, allow to healthy to continue, and give the vulnerable the support they deserve.
Do you know dementia is a top killer in this country? Do you know an utter lack of communication and love and support, thanks to these rules, have killed thousands prematurely? Many elderly people have a single thread keeping them going. It's been sheared off.
Me out - I'm off to read a book. I see where many come from -they are scared stiff of this. But for heaven's sake, don't judge others as myopic just because they see a wider picture. Cancer on the rise; loneliness; suicide; depression; social and economic contraction; masses unemployed; small businesses ruined. F uck covid yes, but f uck these rules more. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 21:23]
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Glosso, a lot will agree with many of your points in principle, it's the weighting of argument is where the difference is. If the government had acted quickly and decisively with lockdown, track and trace, testing et al then I firmly believe we would not be where we are now and people would gladly try for normalcy. They didn't, they were massively inept and are reaping the "reward" of that and it is costing everyone of us. | |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 22:03 - Oct 3 with 841 views | Scotia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:03 - Oct 3 by Glossolalia |
I'm genuinely hoping for a nationwide improvement of the nation's health, and you call it pompous? Incredible. Perhaps a tad naive, I'll admit. It's a silver lining many hope will come true - a wholesale change in our mindset towards healthy living, as a result of this pandemic. Especially our respiratory health and CV system.
What else could possibly be pompous? What I say about other illnesses is true, and as the ONS death statistics prove, Covid is even more likely to kill older people than most other illnesses. It's killing the 'right' demographic in the main.
What has my BMI got to do with it? I'm healthy. Could easily be unhealthy but I've made decisions to improve my health and the health of others around me. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 19:09]
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They aren't anomalies though unless I'm unfortunate enough to know almost everyone of them.
Its a little too late to preach about a switch to a healthy lifestyle at the moment, there are plenty of average people who are significantly impacted by covid as well as some supremely fit people. You are not as immune as you may think.
Being healthy and health benefits isn't a new phenomenon, it's a journey I've been on myself. Has it made me underestimate covid? Absolutely not.
Being old doesn't make you unhealthy in it's own right, plenty of the older people who have died would have lived for many years before covid. I don't want to pass them a premature death sentence. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 22:23 - Oct 3 with 826 views | DJack |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:15 - Oct 3 by Glossolalia |
The UK is 50th in average ages. The average male is just under 40. We are not a particularly old country. Sweden is older on average...
My sister has 'long covid' and she's managing and still working are a cardiologist. Tired, fatigued but doing well. It's what we do. It's what we're supposed to do. Thrive in adversity, not shut down most opportunities to do so.
Don't you see the sheer amount of field hospitals erected in anticipation of a wave of Covid cases, that didn't come? One out of 19 used in the end.
Snowed under? We had the capacity to go much further, instead or ruining our country since March. We had so much headroom! Such a chance to get a meaningful number of people immune to it. Instead we're gonna have minor contractions and relaxations of rules for a long, long time. All the while, barely a semblance of normal life to show for it. This is what you want?
The infrastructure of this country is robust enough to deal to so many more cases, whilst we move on collectively, allow to healthy to continue, and give the vulnerable the support they deserve.
Do you know dementia is a top killer in this country? Do you know an utter lack of communication and love and support, thanks to these rules, have killed thousands prematurely? Many elderly people have a single thread keeping them going. It's been sheared off.
Me out - I'm off to read a book. I see where many come from -they are scared stiff of this. But for heaven's sake, don't judge others as myopic just because they see a wider picture. Cancer on the rise; loneliness; suicide; depression; social and economic contraction; masses unemployed; small businesses ruined. F uck covid yes, but f uck these rules more. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 21:23]
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I forgot to add that "a chance to get a meaningful number of people immune to it" would have been a death sentence for many and the overhead of beds was by design to stop the overwhelming of the healthcare system. This was the explicit reason given to everyone at the start, it was never a means to defeat Covid it was a means to stop it defeating the system... then they cocked it up and "Winter is coming". | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 22:31 - Oct 3 with 812 views | Scotia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 19:52 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes, no mention of the FDA banned HCQ at all, I can't think why.
Instead they are going for experimental drugs that presumably they think give him the best chance of recovery.
One minor problem, have they actually tested them in combination?
Remdesivir has some nasty side affects and is not that effective, but I have no information at all on the polyclonal antibody cocktail made by Regeneron.
It sounds dicey.
There is also fake news out there already, someone is lying about his treatment and his overall condition. |
I can't think of anyone better to test a cocktail of drugs on. I'm sure there are some relieved macques around.
In fact could anyone tell the difference? | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 22:37 - Oct 3 with 808 views | Scotia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 21:15 - Oct 3 by Glossolalia |
The UK is 50th in average ages. The average male is just under 40. We are not a particularly old country. Sweden is older on average...
My sister has 'long covid' and she's managing and still working are a cardiologist. Tired, fatigued but doing well. It's what we do. It's what we're supposed to do. Thrive in adversity, not shut down most opportunities to do so.
Don't you see the sheer amount of field hospitals erected in anticipation of a wave of Covid cases, that didn't come? One out of 19 used in the end.
Snowed under? We had the capacity to go much further, instead or ruining our country since March. We had so much headroom! Such a chance to get a meaningful number of people immune to it. Instead we're gonna have minor contractions and relaxations of rules for a long, long time. All the while, barely a semblance of normal life to show for it. This is what you want?
The infrastructure of this country is robust enough to deal to so many more cases, whilst we move on collectively, allow to healthy to continue, and give the vulnerable the support they deserve.
Do you know dementia is a top killer in this country? Do you know an utter lack of communication and love and support, thanks to these rules, have killed thousands prematurely? Many elderly people have a single thread keeping them going. It's been sheared off.
Me out - I'm off to read a book. I see where many come from -they are scared stiff of this. But for heaven's sake, don't judge others as myopic just because they see a wider picture. Cancer on the rise; loneliness; suicide; depression; social and economic contraction; masses unemployed; small businesses ruined. F uck covid yes, but f uck these rules more. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 21:23]
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Controlling covid and allowing the rest of the world to crack on isn't mutually exclusive
In fact it is what I think we're going to have to get used to.
Get to the gym, pop the vitamin pills, don't get old and you'll be fine. Unless of course you aren't. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 22:41 - Oct 3 with 804 views | Jack_Kass |
Stunned to see that there are people who could do a worse job of controlling this, than Boris Johnson. | |
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| Coronavirus mortality on 22:43 - Oct 3 with 802 views | Glossolalia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 22:37 - Oct 3 by Scotia |
Controlling covid and allowing the rest of the world to crack on isn't mutually exclusive
In fact it is what I think we're going to have to get used to.
Get to the gym, pop the vitamin pills, don't get old and you'll be fine. Unless of course you aren't. |
There's a typically condescending, self-aggrandizing edge to types like you. I am fine, sonny, and I don't need health advice from you either. Now jog on, if you can. 😂 | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 07:39 - Oct 4 with 753 views | Scotia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 22:43 - Oct 3 by Glossolalia |
There's a typically condescending, self-aggrandizing edge to types like you. I am fine, sonny, and I don't need health advice from you either. Now jog on, if you can. 😂 |
I reckon I'm OK at jogging on. I train crossfit 6 days a week and run twice. My BMI places me in the overweight category but I'm not fat.
I've still got a 5% chance of being hospitalised by covid, my parents a 20% chance.
We have to get back to living as normal as possible without killing people needlessly. | | | |
| Coronavirus mortality on 08:45 - Oct 4 with 738 views | Glossolalia |
| Coronavirus mortality on 07:39 - Oct 4 by Scotia |
I reckon I'm OK at jogging on. I train crossfit 6 days a week and run twice. My BMI places me in the overweight category but I'm not fat.
I've still got a 5% chance of being hospitalised by covid, my parents a 20% chance.
We have to get back to living as normal as possible without killing people needlessly. |
I'm glad you do - keep it up because there isn't much else going on! BMI is notoriously limited in its use, especially with weight trainers. I presume you carry more muscle than the average person, as I do.
The issue with your believed percentage of hospitalisation is that it only takes age into account. Say nothing of overall weight and body fat; respiratory health; genetics and hereditary illnesses; ethnicity. I never suggested my health makes me invulnerable, but it has reason to give me confidence. I can't and won't live in fear, nor should the vast majority. A study found obese people are four times as likely to be hospitalised. Hence my wish for people to make more effort in looking after themselves.
I did the NHS BMI online test. At close to 10% body fat (32'' waist) my BMI of 24 elicits this message -'You are in the healthy weight range, but at the higher end. Keep an eye on your weight and try to stay in the healthy range'. Says a lot about its limitations, or perhaps it says more about our misconceptions of what is a healthy weight. Donald Trump is medically obese, but I wonder how many would classify him as 'a bit overweight'.
You last sentence sums up this quandary perfectly, and is unanswerable to a degree.
I'm done debating this as there's no correct answer. I've learnt a few things, and hopefully a few have learnt about the folly of simply applying dry facts to a nuanced world. [Post edited 4 Oct 2020 8:57]
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| Coronavirus mortality on 09:10 - Oct 4 with 727 views | Andy1300 |
| Coronavirus mortality on 07:39 - Oct 4 by Scotia |
I reckon I'm OK at jogging on. I train crossfit 6 days a week and run twice. My BMI places me in the overweight category but I'm not fat.
I've still got a 5% chance of being hospitalised by covid, my parents a 20% chance.
We have to get back to living as normal as possible without killing people needlessly. |
Best the nhs start treating other people who are suffering due to not getting their treatment then.
It’s disgusting what they are doing to these patients. [Post edited 4 Oct 2020 12:58]
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| Coronavirus mortality on 11:22 - Oct 4 with 692 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Coronavirus mortality on 09:10 - Oct 4 by Andy1300 |
Best the nhs start treating other people who are suffering due to not getting their treatment then.
It’s disgusting what they are doing to these patients. [Post edited 4 Oct 2020 12:58]
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It is due to total incompetence of the government in preparing for a pandemic, they were warned numerous times.
It has been made much worse by the total incompetence of the government and the NHS management in not designating COVID free hospitals that would continue treating life threatening illnesses.
That is also where the early testing should have been concentrated, (along with NHS staff) to ensure that they remained COVID free.
During the period between waves they still did not take the opportunity to re-arrange hospital use in an efficient manner.
You have a minority of the NHS front line workers working themselves in to early graves on the COVID ICU wards and the rest twiddling their fingers a lot of the time.
At least some procedures and treatments are being carried out, but the fear induced by the government has prevented a lot of needy cases coming forward. | | | |
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