| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. 23:33 - Oct 22 with 19862 views | Highjack |
Dr Drakeford and his cronies have really set the bar high on the incompetence stakes on this one.
They have announced tonight that retailers will only be allowed to sell “essential goods” during the 17 day lockdown but they are unable to say what counts as essential or non essential. At the time of writing this there is just over 18 hours to go until these rules come into force. The predictable result is that the entire population of Wales will rush out in the short time that is left and ravage the shelves of anything and everything that could potentially count as non essential. Meanwhile retailers are completely in the dark with just a few hours to go they are blissfully unaware of what they will or won’t be allowed to sell or whether they’ll be allowed to stay open at all.
Absolute idiocy from dippy Drakeford and this cabal of insidiously irrational imbeciles.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:23 - Oct 24 with 756 views | Boundy |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:21 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
Because after these 17 days, the screens, signs, hand sanitisers etc, are still going to be required for a long time yet. |
So have they worked up till now and if not how will they work after the 17 days are over ? |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:24 - Oct 24 with 752 views | controversial_jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:31 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
Depends what you deem "work", no doubt it will be different to health care professionals, who will have a different opinion to economists.
I've been in meetings the past 10 days in regards to new wards being created in hospitals, and the consultants have all said the same thing, that the way things are going they are going to run out of critical care beds around December, if we don't get hold of it.
Is it better to have another long lock down, or to have several short sharp ones? I've no idea, and I don't think anyone in the world know either.
Don't forget, they are trying to balance the risk, health and economy. |
That's spot on. What ppl don't get, is the NHS and it's staff has to be protected. Why should staff be exposed to the virus, because some ppl can't go for a pint or buy a pair of slippers
Wards are almost full again back to square one. Most ppl are so wrapped up in their own worlds they don't realise what's going on | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:26 - Oct 24 with 747 views | Boundy |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:20 - Oct 24 by controversial_jack |
It prevents people browsing and lingering when they should just be in,m get the food and leave.
It prevents contact among people. It's quite simple erally |
So no one browses when they're food shopping ? | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:32 - Oct 24 with 735 views | trampie |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:26 - Oct 24 by Catullus |
Your last line is the point. WIll this firebreak work? I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it because it's not long enough. I think it might cause a temporary stutter in the rise of cases but then things will go back to where they were.
Always remembering that I'm not an expert, it's just an opinion but I still believe we need a longer lockdown with rules somewhere in between what was normality and the lockdowns. Even then the punishments for rule breaking need increasing so shops and customers fall into line.
Macron has said he thinks this virus will be around until next summer, I suppose that's his scientific advice talking. If that's right then surely we need a long term plan and not just a sticking plaster, knee jerk reaction. |
I agree with comrade Drakeford on us having a firebreak, I hope it will be long enough to put a dent in the covid spike (I don't think we can hope for anything else as there is no cure and it seems like it's here to stay for the foreseeable future), why do you think it won't be long enough have you seen scientists saying it should be longer ?
There are economic and non covid health reasons for keeping it to a shortish period but I support this lockdown to try and get the R rate down below 1 which apparently will be a good thing. |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:39 - Oct 24 with 726 views | controversial_jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:26 - Oct 24 by Boundy |
So no one browses when they're food shopping ? |
We have to eat, but we don't need non essentials | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:41 - Oct 24 with 725 views | controversial_jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:32 - Oct 24 by trampie |
I agree with comrade Drakeford on us having a firebreak, I hope it will be long enough to put a dent in the covid spike (I don't think we can hope for anything else as there is no cure and it seems like it's here to stay for the foreseeable future), why do you think it won't be long enough have you seen scientists saying it should be longer ?
There are economic and non covid health reasons for keeping it to a shortish period but I support this lockdown to try and get the R rate down below 1 which apparently will be a good thing. |
Yes, if we don't do it now, xmas will be ruined. then the whingers will really be out in force | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:43 - Oct 24 with 722 views | Catullus |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:20 - Oct 24 by controversial_jack |
It prevents people browsing and lingering when they should just be in,m get the food and leave.
It prevents contact among people. It's quite simple erally |
It only prevents contact if everybody obeys the rules. It's those people breaking the rules that make the problem worse.
If the rules, such as mask wearing, were properly enforced maybe we wouldn't be here now. As Andy says, all the money shop spent getting covid safe seems to have been wasted if they are now saying it hasn't worked...or is it the rule breakers causing the issue? In which case, after the lockdown the problem will still be there.
Portsmouth Uni, a street party outside their halls of residence, police had to break it up. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:48 - Oct 24 with 720 views | Neath_Jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:17 - Oct 24 by Andy1300 |
We usually run out of critical care beds in the winter, that’s why you saw stories of people on trollies in corridors
But hey, it’s all because of covid! |
No we don't.
They have a massive job on every year, to try and free beds up by moving patients about. We have never completely run out of beds, with people dying in ambulances and corridors. As what happened in Italy in March. |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:49 - Oct 24 with 720 views | Neath_Jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:15 - Oct 24 by Andy1300 |
So if they have any effect, why close the shops etc? |
Local restrictions, washing hands etc, is too slow the spread. It isn't a magic cure.
It's not difficult to understand. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:50 - Oct 24 with 717 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Today was the first time in months where my local supermarket was so busy at 8am that it was necessary to queue prior to being let in.
This "Firebreak" lockdown appears to have increased the amount of people out shopping at the same time. Surely that goes against everything it was intended to do?
I feel sorry for the poor employees who have to forbid parents from buying clothes to keep their children warm. |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:50 - Oct 24 with 718 views | Neath_Jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:23 - Oct 24 by Boundy |
So have they worked up till now and if not how will they work after the 17 days are over ? |
See previous reply to Andy, they are not a magic cure, they are there to slow the spread. If they weren't in place, then many more would be infected. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:56 - Oct 24 with 709 views | trampie |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:50 - Oct 24 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Today was the first time in months where my local supermarket was so busy at 8am that it was necessary to queue prior to being let in.
This "Firebreak" lockdown appears to have increased the amount of people out shopping at the same time. Surely that goes against everything it was intended to do?
I feel sorry for the poor employees who have to forbid parents from buying clothes to keep their children warm. |
Did you go inside ?, I wonder if there was restrictions on what people could buy. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:00 - Oct 24 with 705 views | Catullus |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:48 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
No we don't.
They have a massive job on every year, to try and free beds up by moving patients about. We have never completely run out of beds, with people dying in ambulances and corridors. As what happened in Italy in March. |
A&E has run out, that's why we see ambulances queueing up outside regulalry, and that's the knock on effect of having no spare beds on the wards to move patients through to. People have died waiting for ambulances too, because they are stacked up outside hospitals.
My mother was left on a trolley in a corridor and they didn't even have a blanket for her at first, she was apparently in the corridor several hours in just a gown when my sister ( a specialist oncology nurse) turned up, my mother was lying on her side with her back and bum on full show. Obviously my sister had a word. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:03 - Oct 24 with 703 views | Neath_Jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:00 - Oct 24 by Catullus |
A&E has run out, that's why we see ambulances queueing up outside regulalry, and that's the knock on effect of having no spare beds on the wards to move patients through to. People have died waiting for ambulances too, because they are stacked up outside hospitals.
My mother was left on a trolley in a corridor and they didn't even have a blanket for her at first, she was apparently in the corridor several hours in just a gown when my sister ( a specialist oncology nurse) turned up, my mother was lying on her side with her back and bum on full show. Obviously my sister had a word. |
I keep referencing critical care beds, ITU, not general admissions and A&E.
Those are the beds which the consultants are telling us that if they become full, they then have to decide who lives and who dies. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:16 - Oct 24 with 689 views | BarrySwan |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:48 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
No we don't.
They have a massive job on every year, to try and free beds up by moving patients about. We have never completely run out of beds, with people dying in ambulances and corridors. As what happened in Italy in March. |
Nonsense
People are and have been left on trollies in corridors for hours because of the lack of hospital beds in Wales
http://www.deeside.com/inspectors-demand-urgent-action-over-patients-left-waitin
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/terminally-ill-woman-died-trol
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43147021
Why on earth would you put up such nonsense when we read about such issues every day in the papers and many of us have experienced our own relatives being left in wheelchairs and trollies for hours on end because there is a shortage of beds?
I even had a good friend of mine in Llandough hospital with heart problems get up in the middle of the night to go to the toilet only to return to find another patient put in his bed. He spent the rest of the night with a blanket in the waiting room.
So again I ask why talk such rubbish to those who know exactly what the state of play is in Welsh hospitals even in normal circumstances. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:21 - Oct 24 with 684 views | Catullus |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:03 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
I keep referencing critical care beds, ITU, not general admissions and A&E.
Those are the beds which the consultants are telling us that if they become full, they then have to decide who lives and who dies. |
Well if people die for a lack of beds then they are still dead. Having enough critcial care beds is obviously important but if a person has an accident and needs an ITU bed but can't get an ambulance to get them to the hospital the outcome is the same.
The staff do a wonderful job but there will always be questions about resources and government funding.
It might sound like I'm blaming hospitals but actually it's the politicians who make these decisions I'm really blaming. We have enough money for guns and bombs but never enough for the NHS, schools, police etc. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:22 - Oct 24 with 684 views | Neath_Jack |
I know you were known as the St Athan idiot, but I'll type slowly for you.
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:24 - Oct 24 with 677 views | onehunglow |
If Barry swan is No Baloney Maloney then the day has become immeasurably brighter. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:29 - Oct 24 with 672 views | controversial_jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:03 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
I keep referencing critical care beds, ITU, not general admissions and A&E.
Those are the beds which the consultants are telling us that if they become full, they then have to decide who lives and who dies. |
Correct, they have to make terrible decisions. They won't resuscitate if the patient is over a certain age, and that can be as low as 60 or even 50.
It's what they deniers don't get | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:31 - Oct 24 with 671 views | majorraglan |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:21 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
Because after these 17 days, the screens, signs, hand sanitisers etc, are still going to be required for a long time yet. |
Spot on. This virus is going to be around for a while and all the precautions and measures that have been put in place will be needed again. If we don5 follow the guidance we will end up like Italy. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:31 - Oct 24 with 670 views | Neath_Jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:29 - Oct 24 by controversial_jack |
Correct, they have to make terrible decisions. They won't resuscitate if the patient is over a certain age, and that can be as low as 60 or even 50.
It's what they deniers don't get |
It appears that I'm incorrect, and the consultants we have been meeting with are incorrect.
In Tuesdays meeting with them, I'm going to suggest they log on here and learn what they should be doing from the real experts  | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:37 - Oct 24 with 660 views | majorraglan |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:49 - Oct 24 by Neath_Jack |
Local restrictions, washing hands etc, is too slow the spread. It isn't a magic cure.
It's not difficult to understand. |
It is if you are a blockhead. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:38 - Oct 24 with 657 views | Boundy |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:39 - Oct 24 by controversial_jack |
We have to eat, but we don't need non essentials |
So is alcohol an essential or is it allowed to be purchased because of the tax duty paid ? | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:38 - Oct 24 with 656 views | Highjack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:41 - Oct 24 by controversial_jack |
Yes, if we don't do it now, xmas will be ruined. then the whingers will really be out in force |
If Xmas is ruined then at least that's one positive to come out of this whole sorry mess. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:51 - Oct 24 with 639 views | Highjack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 13:38 - Oct 24 by Boundy |
So is alcohol an essential or is it allowed to be purchased because of the tax duty paid ? |
Of course it's essential. I'm not doing 2020 sober. | |
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