| Potter 13:28 - Dec 20 with 2888 views | pencoedjack |
Swans fans favourite ex manager who was adored for his style of football currently getting booed by Brighton fans as his team are losing at home to Sheff Utd.
With better players didn’t finish as high as our current gaffer.
Reading the match day thread presume most would be happy to have him back? |  | | |  |
| Potter on 08:03 - Dec 21 with 1034 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Potter on 07:55 - Dec 21 by Dr_Winston |
Yep.
Landore & Fairwood are the only real legacy we've got left from our time in the Prem. It's the spending we should regret the least, even if we question the need for both sites rather than one combined.
Extreme short sightedness to think we'd have been better off shovelling that relatively small amount of cash into a player or agents pockets instead. |
Agree with this, I'd be gutted if they ended up being sold off.
Surely we need both sites if we are serious about our academy (which we absolutely should be), could we really fit all the age grade academy teams, U23's and First team into one when you take into account all the coaching/technical staff aswell? |  | | |
| Potter on 09:12 - Dec 21 with 998 views | Dr_Winston |
| Potter on 08:03 - Dec 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
Agree with this, I'd be gutted if they ended up being sold off.
Surely we need both sites if we are serious about our academy (which we absolutely should be), could we really fit all the age grade academy teams, U23's and First team into one when you take into account all the coaching/technical staff aswell? |
I wouldn't argue that we need the two sites now as we've clearly been set up for it. Just wonder whether we needed to go that way initially rather than have one big site with what you'd assume would be lower overheads.
Did certain people's desire for juicy construction contracts overrule common sense? |  |
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| Potter on 09:54 - Dec 21 with 980 views | Catullus |
| Potter on 09:12 - Dec 21 by Dr_Winston |
I wouldn't argue that we need the two sites now as we've clearly been set up for it. Just wonder whether we needed to go that way initially rather than have one big site with what you'd assume would be lower overheads.
Did certain people's desire for juicy construction contracts overrule common sense? |
That last line sounds....possible!
I don't think we need both sites now and I'd keep Landore. I know the really big clubs have huge training facilites miles away from the ground, like Carrington and Melwood (now the Academy at Kirkby) but I don't see why we needed the huge spend on both sites, just Landore would have been a better choice for me.
How much does ditching Fairwood save us?
I'll add that spending that extra 30-40 million on players might have kept us in the Premier league that season but it would surely have been worse for us in the long term. |  |
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| Potter on 10:29 - Dec 21 with 967 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Potter on 09:54 - Dec 21 by Catullus |
That last line sounds....possible!
I don't think we need both sites now and I'd keep Landore. I know the really big clubs have huge training facilites miles away from the ground, like Carrington and Melwood (now the Academy at Kirkby) but I don't see why we needed the huge spend on both sites, just Landore would have been a better choice for me.
How much does ditching Fairwood save us?
I'll add that spending that extra 30-40 million on players might have kept us in the Premier league that season but it would surely have been worse for us in the long term. |
The way our recruitment was we would have spent 30 - 40 Million on utter dross and gone down with even bigger debt. |  |
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| Potter on 15:05 - Dec 21 with 920 views | 34dfgdf54 |
I was a massive fan of Potter but not sure I'd want him back, his Brighton side still play lovely football but like we were under him, are soft. I'm not 100% sure but aren't 3 of their back four 6 ft 5? As someone said earlier, if he had Margetson alongside him it could become a different story, but never going to happen. | | | |
| Potter on 15:34 - Dec 21 with 903 views | Dr_Winston |
| Potter on 09:54 - Dec 21 by Catullus |
That last line sounds....possible!
I don't think we need both sites now and I'd keep Landore. I know the really big clubs have huge training facilites miles away from the ground, like Carrington and Melwood (now the Academy at Kirkby) but I don't see why we needed the huge spend on both sites, just Landore would have been a better choice for me.
How much does ditching Fairwood save us?
I'll add that spending that extra 30-40 million on players might have kept us in the Premier league that season but it would surely have been worse for us in the long term. |
I always thought that one of the purposes behind Fairwood was the alliance with the University. Give them some use of the facilities in return for a contribution towards upkeep to offset the cost of eventual relegation.
The University is probably in the financial proverbial a bit as well now with the reduction in foreign students and their lovely tuition fees. | |
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| Potter on 15:35 - Dec 21 with 904 views | jasper_T |
| Potter on 15:05 - Dec 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
I was a massive fan of Potter but not sure I'd want him back, his Brighton side still play lovely football but like we were under him, are soft. I'm not 100% sure but aren't 3 of their back four 6 ft 5? As someone said earlier, if he had Margetson alongside him it could become a different story, but never going to happen. |
He plays Dan Burn as a left fullback/wingback and he's 6'5. Ben White in midfield. You'd think they'd have enough height in the side. Think they're third worst in the PL for conceding from set pieces this season (if I'm remembering a Sky graphic correctly). An improvement over his time with us at least.
Only Man City face fewer shots than they do. Quietest goalkeeper in the league by whoscored's stats. Again similar to how we played under him, tremendous defensive record from open play, I think only Boro and one other side were better that season. We went backwards in that area under Cooper, being more open to dangerous counters and not looking after the ball as well. The massive difference in our set pieces record covered that up. | | | |
| Potter on 15:54 - Dec 21 with 892 views | pencoedjack |
| Potter on 20:11 - Dec 20 by Neath_Jack |
Surprised Risca hasn't been in this thread, he loved Potter.
On a similar note, anyone want to still rate Biesla as some football manager guru? He's never won anything major, and never will either. |
I still rate Bielsa very highly along with the likes of Pep, Mourinho & Klopp so I am not in bad company.
He's won the Argentina premier league a few times, Olympic gold, worlds best coach (& came runner up) took an unfancied side like Bilbao to Europa league & Copa Del Rey finals & done what many failed to do in getting Leeds promoted.
All that well playing excellent entertaining football.
We certainly missed out not employing him when we had the chance. | | | |
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| Potter on 19:03 - Dec 21 with 856 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Potter on 18:16 - Dec 20 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Yes he did. He had Olsson, van der Hoorn, Fer, McBurnie and James. Then there was Carroll and Montero who he had for half of the season.
In addition, the likes of Routledge and Dyer were not quite as over the hill as they are now.
Then you have the players that both managers have benefitted from (Rodon, Grimes, Naughton, Roberts, Fulton, Byers and Dhanda).
He complimented those players with Celina (£3m), Asoro (£2m) and McKay (£1.5m).
That is a first team squad that should be challenging for automatic promotion.
Meanwhile, Cooper's squad this season, when excluding the players he has brought in, looks like a squad that will do well to avoid a relegation battle.
Graham Potter is a fraud whos entire reputation is built on his time in Sweden where he grossly outspent his competition through the financial crimes of the club's owner. |
For how much of that time were Fer & Olson injured? | | | |
| Potter on 19:21 - Dec 21 with 851 views | jasper_T |
| Potter on 19:03 - Dec 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
For how much of that time were Fer & Olson injured? |
iirc Olsson was injured through preseason, struggled to get up to fitness and then had the season-ender in December. 17 appearances (1106 mins) in the league.
Fer was in and out, 25 apps (1353 mins). Couldn't stay fit.
Carroll the same, hip injury in October never went away. 12 apps 685 mins.
Montero 12 substitute appearances, 331 mins. Never fit enough to start a match. | | | |
| Potter on 22:37 - Dec 21 with 820 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Potter on 10:29 - Dec 21 by Joe_bradshaw |
The way our recruitment was we would have spent 30 - 40 Million on utter dross and gone down with even bigger debt. |
Well firstly if we had simply reallocated the spend from Academy to the first team then there is no extra debt. Its money we were spending anyway. Thats sort of the point - it was a choice.
The academy contributed nothing other than Ben Davies in all the time we were in the Premiership. Connor had 6 games at the sad end. Multi year investments in other players who were never close to being good enough was a big waste.
And now we have split site training facilities that we cant afford. Brilliant.
Who knows if the money would have been wasted as Montero, Fer, Olsson, and Carrol were all injured. You are guessing it would have been wasted, but you could equally point to Tammy and the big Pole in the goal - both would be welcomed at most Premier League clubs.
It might have kept us up.
Would you really go Andy King if you had more money available ? Really ? |  |
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| Potter on 07:43 - Dec 22 with 754 views | 34dfgdf54 |
One win at home in 2020, he'll do well to see out the season. [Post edited 22 Dec 2020 7:44]
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| Potter on 09:12 - Dec 22 with 727 views | Catullus |
| Potter on 22:37 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Well firstly if we had simply reallocated the spend from Academy to the first team then there is no extra debt. Its money we were spending anyway. Thats sort of the point - it was a choice.
The academy contributed nothing other than Ben Davies in all the time we were in the Premiership. Connor had 6 games at the sad end. Multi year investments in other players who were never close to being good enough was a big waste.
And now we have split site training facilities that we cant afford. Brilliant.
Who knows if the money would have been wasted as Montero, Fer, Olsson, and Carrol were all injured. You are guessing it would have been wasted, but you could equally point to Tammy and the big Pole in the goal - both would be welcomed at most Premier League clubs.
It might have kept us up.
Would you really go Andy King if you had more money available ? Really ? |
Sorry but there would have been extra debt, say we spent 30 million on 3 players, their contracts would have been the extra cost.
If they wanted 40k per week and signed 3 or 4 year contracts that's 18 or 24 million in wages. Even if we sold them quickly it would have been at a loss after relegation, if we survived that season, who knows but the wages are still there. | |
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| Potter on 09:13 - Dec 22 with 724 views | onehunglow |
Let's face it, we look for ways to make our unforgivable tumble from the PL less painful.This time,we are looking at a bland chap -a former manager who might see his club relegated. Doesn't work for me.
If we were go be in a promotion spot at the end of the season,what would happen given our Owners have really no money of their own to put into the club. | |
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| Potter on 12:48 - Dec 22 with 689 views | theloneranger |
| Potter on 15:34 - Dec 21 by Dr_Winston |
I always thought that one of the purposes behind Fairwood was the alliance with the University. Give them some use of the facilities in return for a contribution towards upkeep to offset the cost of eventual relegation.
The University is probably in the financial proverbial a bit as well now with the reduction in foreign students and their lovely tuition fees. |
We lease the land at Fairwood which is owned by the university, and we jointly own everything that is on it with the university. |  |
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| Potter on 13:02 - Dec 22 with 682 views | AndyCole |
| Potter on 09:13 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
Let's face it, we look for ways to make our unforgivable tumble from the PL less painful.This time,we are looking at a bland chap -a former manager who might see his club relegated. Doesn't work for me.
If we were go be in a promotion spot at the end of the season,what would happen given our Owners have really no money of their own to put into the club. |
"Bland chap" - spot on. I enjoyed how Potter looked to set us up with his progressive philosophy - BUT, he flattered to deceive which for me was a big disappointment.
A manager's personality has a massive bearing on how teams execute a philosophy. We ended up playing like how Potter plays an interview. Articulate, thoughtful, clever, likeable yet ultimately all a bit drab and a bit of a disappointment.
Look at any team in the top 2 divisions and most teams play to the personality of the manager. Think of three or four adjectives and watch the team play to that tune. | |
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| Potter on 13:36 - Dec 22 with 676 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Potter on 13:02 - Dec 22 by AndyCole |
"Bland chap" - spot on. I enjoyed how Potter looked to set us up with his progressive philosophy - BUT, he flattered to deceive which for me was a big disappointment.
A manager's personality has a massive bearing on how teams execute a philosophy. We ended up playing like how Potter plays an interview. Articulate, thoughtful, clever, likeable yet ultimately all a bit drab and a bit of a disappointment.
Look at any team in the top 2 divisions and most teams play to the personality of the manager. Think of three or four adjectives and watch the team play to that tune. |
That's why West Brom played like a bunch of c***s the other night. | |
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| Potter on 13:40 - Dec 22 with 673 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Potter on 22:37 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Well firstly if we had simply reallocated the spend from Academy to the first team then there is no extra debt. Its money we were spending anyway. Thats sort of the point - it was a choice.
The academy contributed nothing other than Ben Davies in all the time we were in the Premiership. Connor had 6 games at the sad end. Multi year investments in other players who were never close to being good enough was a big waste.
And now we have split site training facilities that we cant afford. Brilliant.
Who knows if the money would have been wasted as Montero, Fer, Olsson, and Carrol were all injured. You are guessing it would have been wasted, but you could equally point to Tammy and the big Pole in the goal - both would be welcomed at most Premier League clubs.
It might have kept us up.
Would you really go Andy King if you had more money available ? Really ? |
I am intrigued as to your position on things pollitical and football. The Swansea academy is a great thing to behold for me as a south west Wales 'Cymro'. There is real talent in south Wales if nutured properly. It should be nutured in Wales. Your anti Academy slant is not consitent with a 'Yes' Wales agenda.
Every kid who loves football at 5 or 6 in south Wales knows there is a superb facility on his doorstep. Parent know this. Bale and Lloyd James all went to Southampton via their satalelitte base at Bath working often under Welsh coaches. Matty Crowell and Richard Jones other locals. They had lower league careers.
No longer a rat and mice infested rotting corrugated zinc portakapin set up at Swansea . Connor Roberts and Joe Rodon with the club since 6. James signing at about 15 or 16. Brandon Cooper totally committed to the club. The Evans brothers might make it.
Another slew of very promising players at u16 level. These were the boys that went on a tour to California 3 or 4 years back in the HJ regime. It must have cost close on £100k. Lets face it the Board could have used that money to pay themselves dividends instead.
Exactly the long term gentle patient grass roots developement I favour as a Cymro. Best kids with best coaches with best facilities in Wales not the university of Bath. A huge contribution to grass roots sport in the city of Swansea and it more than pays for itself. Rodon and James upto £30m in transfer fees.
Yesterday three young players sined up until 2022 -2023. Josh Thomas local boy, Henry Jones a Welsh lad recovered from the Arsenal academy and Akande a star player from the Nigerian youth team.
Swansea city cannot guarentee to create big local stars but they will do their damned best to find them if they are there. Players like Connor Roberts have the engine and the determination. If Swansea city was not here he would be carpenter and right back for Anberystwyth Town.
Your contrived arguement that only Connor was produced in the Premiership years does not stand upto scrutiny. Joey Allen, Ben Davies, Jazz Richards, Joe Rodon, Connor Roberts, Dan James, Ben Cabango and Liam Cullen have all come through in the last 12 years and the production rate is increasing. The acedemy has also developed good teenage propspects from other place in Benda, Garrick, McBurney, Byers.
Swansea are unliely to be able to repeat the miracle of 2009 -2016 with out producing in house ready to go players for the first team. I am interested in the future not the past. |  |
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| Potter on 15:37 - Dec 27 with 549 views | pencoedjack |
Just turned on Potters Brighton v West Spam.
Brighton are very boring to watch, wouldn’t surprise me if they went down. | | | |
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