| The Pembrokeshire Murders 18:54 - Jan 11 with 5344 views | britferry |
ITV 9pm tonight.. should be interesting viewing |  |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 12:44 - Jan 15 with 1156 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 11:36 - Jan 15 by Highjack |
The law exists to punish people who do not act within the moral principles of society. To say the law has nothing to do with morals is utter madness. |
No ,it is not madness.
It IS madness to suggest that ,in these enlightened times, offenders are "punished". First of all,they have to sent to prison which is by ,light years ,the last resort. Then ,rehab is the watchword NOT punishment. Social workers,Probation Officers ,Lawyers never talk in these terms.
Laws are invariably passed and then amended for political reasons.
Abolition of capital punishment was only the alternative was to be pure /whole life imprisonment .It wasn't and Labour's chicanery won the day. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 17:13 - Jan 15 with 1095 views | controversial_jack |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 11:36 - Jan 15 by Highjack |
The law exists to punish people who do not act within the moral principles of society. To say the law has nothing to do with morals is utter madness. |
The law is constantly changing and being updated, are societies morals doing the same? I don't think so. | | | |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 17:57 - Jan 15 with 1076 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 17:13 - Jan 15 by controversial_jack |
The law is constantly changing and being updated, are societies morals doing the same? I don't think so. |
That is an excellent observation Contro. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 19:27 - Jan 15 with 1044 views | Highjack |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 17:13 - Jan 15 by controversial_jack |
The law is constantly changing and being updated, are societies morals doing the same? I don't think so. |
Of course they are. Up until very recently it was considered morally reprehensible to indulge in homosexual activity. Societies attitude changed. As did the law. It happens all the time. |  |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:32 - Jan 15 with 1026 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 19:27 - Jan 15 by Highjack |
Of course they are. Up until very recently it was considered morally reprehensible to indulge in homosexual activity. Societies attitude changed. As did the law. It happens all the time. |
Right now,that practice still is,for many,all of whom would never comment a such for fear of being arrested or public vilification.
Are yoi seriously suggesting fans forums such as this doesnt not include people who believe
Homosexuality/Same sex marriages are not only wrong but debase humanity.
You need to understand the depth of religious feeling towards this subject.
Moot this subject next time you 're in a Muslim country | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:43 - Jan 15 with 1018 views | onehunglow |
Anyway,a documentary last night on this case which I thought was more engrossing.
Very mixed review got the episodic work but credit to Steve Wilkins for ending this as it should.
In an ideal world Cooper would have hung. Doubt he d would be as arrogant facing the drop. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 22:26 - Jan 15 with 991 views | Wingstandwood |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:43 - Jan 15 by onehunglow |
Anyway,a documentary last night on this case which I thought was more engrossing.
Very mixed review got the episodic work but credit to Steve Wilkins for ending this as it should.
In an ideal world Cooper would have hung. Doubt he d would be as arrogant facing the drop. |
Cooper was comprehensively nailed!
Like many burglars, criminals, ex-prisoners/prisoners and murderers he was forensically aware at crime scenes but his psychopathy and narcissistic personality traits made his repeat offending relentless whereupon his luck would eventually have had to run out at some stage.
The guy did not have the personality to lie low, all made worse by a gambling habit also, it was absolutely impossible for him to stop.
I believe the guy had arrogance so self-destructive that he genuinely believed that he was untouchable, a God complex thinking he would never, ever get caught, that imo played a significant part in his downfall. I genuinely believe that he thought he had a decent chance of being found "not guilty".
I noticed that he had an ability to devise a false alibi/lie that would be tailored to suit police enquiry evidence advancement(s). The term 'cat and mouse' would be very apt for that guy. |  |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 22:37 - Jan 15 with 980 views | Highjack |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:32 - Jan 15 by onehunglow |
Right now,that practice still is,for many,all of whom would never comment a such for fear of being arrested or public vilification.
Are yoi seriously suggesting fans forums such as this doesnt not include people who believe
Homosexuality/Same sex marriages are not only wrong but debase humanity.
You need to understand the depth of religious feeling towards this subject.
Moot this subject next time you 're in a Muslim country |
You’re talking individuals rather than society at large. Of course there are still idiots who for whatever reason have a problem with two consenting blokes bumping their junk. But most people in this country are entirely acceptable of it. Apart from that you’ve precisely confirmed my point. Why is homosexuality legal here but not in Saudi Arabia? Why are Americans legally allowed to own firearms but we aren’t? It’s because their respective cultures in general have different views on what is morally acceptable, what your rights are as a citizen of said nation.
Morality is the base principle of any law. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 09:12 - Jan 16 with 910 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 22:37 - Jan 15 by Highjack |
You’re talking individuals rather than society at large. Of course there are still idiots who for whatever reason have a problem with two consenting blokes bumping their junk. But most people in this country are entirely acceptable of it. Apart from that you’ve precisely confirmed my point. Why is homosexuality legal here but not in Saudi Arabia? Why are Americans legally allowed to own firearms but we aren’t? It’s because their respective cultures in general have different views on what is morally acceptable, what your rights are as a citizen of said nation.
Morality is the base principle of any law. |
No it is not.
You make too many assumptions,with respect.As for most or many,there are 65million in this country.Certainly, with the laws as they are,it is inane to even suggest a hint of racism or homophobia in interactions or dialogue. Given that the definition is centred on how the recipient feels ,it is a minefield and the reaon why so many take to twitter in particular to vent pure racist/homophobic speens.
Anyway,e njoy this day | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 10:40 - Jan 16 with 884 views | KeithHaynes |
Seeing a Superintendent and an inspector in an interview room conducting an interview was taking the dramatic element to new levels 😂 |  |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 10:56 - Jan 16 with 869 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 10:40 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Seeing a Superintendent and an inspector in an interview room conducting an interview was taking the dramatic element to new levels 😂 |
Keith. Not quite right there sir as Superintendents often interview the big jobs although a Sgt would be the bag man normally.
Depends of the Force size as to the rank of SIO.
Inspector is a tough rank,as one gets the crap from above and from below.It is a key job and extremely stressful as a DI will invariably take the can for a screw up | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 13:03 - Jan 16 with 841 views | Highjack |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 09:12 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
No it is not.
You make too many assumptions,with respect.As for most or many,there are 65million in this country.Certainly, with the laws as they are,it is inane to even suggest a hint of racism or homophobia in interactions or dialogue. Given that the definition is centred on how the recipient feels ,it is a minefield and the reaon why so many take to twitter in particular to vent pure racist/homophobic speens.
Anyway,e njoy this day |
Ok let’s try to simplify this because you’re obviously on some other page (or possibly planet). 
Let’s take a specific offence, say arson. Why do you think that law exists? We’re allowed to use fire in our daily lives. In our engines, in our barbecues, for cooking or heating etc. We’ve been harnessing fire for hundreds of millennia. So why in certain situations is it against the law to create a fire? | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 13:10 - Jan 16 with 836 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 13:03 - Jan 16 by Highjack |
Ok let’s try to simplify this because you’re obviously on some other page (or possibly planet).
Let’s take a specific offence, say arson. Why do you think that law exists? We’re allowed to use fire in our daily lives. In our engines, in our barbecues, for cooking or heating etc. We’ve been harnessing fire for hundreds of millennia. So why in certain situations is it against the law to create a fire? |
No ,let's not .
We disagree .
That 's it..
Laws have nothing to with morality.
Many would argue with any law Mrs Thatcher passed immoral,scum,filth,vile or simply a Tory bitch,whose death was celebrated by many on this site.
I 'll pass on the morality of those involved in the business of Law . | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 15:36 - Jan 16 with 804 views | KeithHaynes |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 10:56 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
Keith. Not quite right there sir as Superintendents often interview the big jobs although a Sgt would be the bag man normally.
Depends of the Force size as to the rank of SIO.
Inspector is a tough rank,as one gets the crap from above and from below.It is a key job and extremely stressful as a DI will invariably take the can for a screw up |
Not in my 32 years mate. 21 on CID, Never. For a start they weren’t qualified to interview at level 2 and had to have a level 5 advisor, usually a DC to interview plan these type of cases. Fred West interview teams were all DC’s and a DS, they being the most competent and qualified to understand Sherwoods practical recording of information in interview. Also on major crime unit for the south of England, all interview teams were DC or one DS and DC. If the inspector or supt went anywhere near an interview of suspect or witnesses the job would have been thrown out in court or even before by the cps through lack of qualification. Never saw any rank above sgt interview any level of crime mate, ever. SIO yes, but they merely headed the inquiry whilst taking advice from more qualified and experienced officers, usually DC. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 15:41 - Jan 16 with 795 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 15:36 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Not in my 32 years mate. 21 on CID, Never. For a start they weren’t qualified to interview at level 2 and had to have a level 5 advisor, usually a DC to interview plan these type of cases. Fred West interview teams were all DC’s and a DS, they being the most competent and qualified to understand Sherwoods practical recording of information in interview. Also on major crime unit for the south of England, all interview teams were DC or one DS and DC. If the inspector or supt went anywhere near an interview of suspect or witnesses the job would have been thrown out in court or even before by the cps through lack of qualification. Never saw any rank above sgt interview any level of crime mate, ever. SIO yes, but they merely headed the inquiry whilst taking advice from more qualified and experienced officers, usually DC. |
Depends on the force then Keith. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 15:55 - Jan 16 with 783 views | KeithHaynes |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 15:41 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
Depends on the force then Keith. |
I did include Regional Major Crime Unit 😉
Times must have changed dramatically since your days old boy 😉 | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 15:59 - Jan 16 with 774 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 15:55 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
I did include Regional Major Crime Unit 😉
Times must have changed dramatically since your days old boy 😉 |
Thanks friend.
They have,drastically. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 19:01 - Jan 16 with 721 views | Catullus |
I think in most cases laws are to do with societies ethics and morals of the time. Morals are about what is right or wrong. Ethics are the moral principles that govern a persons behaviour.
It is morally wrong to rape or commit murder so both are against the law.
It is morally wrong to steal so stealing is a crime.
A society can go very wrong and depart from decent morals and ethics of course, like the Nazi's did and then pass immoral and unethical laws like the antisemitic laws.
PS, we binge watched this series today and we enjoyed it. There's always some artisitc license in these things, it's as if the truth isn't good enough. The police finally nailed the murdering btard and while I don't really like keith Allen I thought he nailed Cooper, he was very believeable. Assuming the part about the pub was right (when the lead officer saw Cooper in a picture and discovered he'd been on Bullseye) luck always has a part to play.
In a decent society though morals, ethics and the law seem inextricably linked. [Post edited 16 Jan 2021 19:06]
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:42 - Jan 16 with 699 views | onehunglow |
Poll Tax.
Moral |? | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:49 - Jan 16 with 681 views | Highjack |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:42 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
Poll Tax.
Moral |? |
No so it was abolished. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 11:45 - Jan 17 with 614 views | Catullus |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 20:42 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
Poll Tax.
Moral |? |
I think it was more moral than the council tax it was just badly designed. We should pay for the services we use and not by the value of our houses, I think Council tax is morally questionable because a family of 5 could be paying relatively less than a single OAP.
So, when it comes to morals and ethics, it's no surprise that opinions differ! | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 11:47 - Jan 17 with 610 views | onehunglow |
It was a Law .
It was moral enough at the time to be passed.
Ergo,laws nothing to do with morals.
You lose highjack.Accept that and move the dark on | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 12:16 - Jan 17 with 599 views | CountyJim |
Good TV but why would they need to film in Port Talbot harbor and medical center and Newport civic center
Strange |  | | |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 13:49 - Jan 17 with 579 views | Catullus |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 11:47 - Jan 17 by onehunglow |
It was a Law .
It was moral enough at the time to be passed.
Ergo,laws nothing to do with morals.
You lose highjack.Accept that and move the dark on |
It was moral enough for the politicians of the time but not for the people hence the mass protests that saw to it's demise.
We often see that politicians morals are not quite the same as the rest of us. They are supposed to be among the great and the good yet far too often they seem to be slithering along with the other bottom feeders. | |
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| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 13:52 - Jan 17 with 568 views | onehunglow |
| The Pembrokeshire Murders on 13:49 - Jan 17 by Catullus |
It was moral enough for the politicians of the time but not for the people hence the mass protests that saw to it's demise.
We often see that politicians morals are not quite the same as the rest of us. They are supposed to be among the great and the good yet far too often they seem to be slithering along with the other bottom feeders. |
Exactly .I agree.Again. | |
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