| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal 13:14 - Apr 14 with 2505 views | KeithHaynes |
40k a week ?
Regardless of the league we play in next season ? |  |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:18 - Apr 15 with 740 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 23:57 - Apr 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
40k a week being freed up certainly won’t be getting multiple good players in.
Rodon was an academy player that was signed by a big club that could give him the safety of a 5 year contract and a bumper signing on fee due to the transfer fee. I doubt Rodon would have gone to Reading for 10k a week, put it that way. It clearly has the scope to increase at Spurs, many times over.
Back in the day the signing on fee used to be roughly 10% of your transfer fee, roughly speaking. It may have gone up since then.
Even if it hasn’t, that’s a 1.5m payment, not bad for a 22/23 year old. Although by Premier League regulations that payment has to be split over the length of the contract and form what they refer to as a loyalty bonus. 300k a year.
These various websites say Bennett is on 20k a week and Asoro on 10k a week. So being able to get a player of Rodon’s calibre on a free, for cheaper than we pay them, and then replicate that feat many times over just isn’t realistic.
So in reality, it may get us another Bennett type player, after taking signing on fee into consideration then it doesn’t leave much left over. May not leave anything left over, not sure how much we actually paid for him. |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:36 - Apr 15 with 716 views | Chief |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:18 - Apr 15 by 9MilesHigh |
Anyone? |
Rodon, while an interesting example of a player earning 10k a week, is:
1: an outlying anomaly as its strangely low.
2: not applicable or comparable to the situation as Spurs will be able to source better players than Swansea.
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:52 - Apr 15 with 704 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:36 - Apr 15 by Chief |
Rodon, while an interesting example of a player earning 10k a week, is:
1: an outlying anomaly as its strangely low.
2: not applicable or comparable to the situation as Spurs will be able to source better players than Swansea.
Better? |
I guess he chose Bennett for a reason and not Guehi. But Bennett was a free transfer so whilst there would have been a couple of quid to the Agent it wouldn't have been the equivalent of £20k per week.
But anyway, we were talking about weekly wage bills and not associated costs.
As it stands now, Swansea's wage bill is already prepared (pretty much) for no parachute payments next season. That's the hard medicine we all swallowed that some fans just couldn't and still can't accept.
And this is with Ayew's £80k per week.
Associated costs aside (and I know they still need to be accounted for) that will be a whole lot of spare wage expense to spread around.
And no Club should dismiss the power of loan players or see this as development for another Club. I get that argument, of course, but there's a means to an end and 3/4 quality loanees can make a world of difference and provide some real bang for the buck. | | | |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:59 - Apr 15 with 701 views | 9MilesHigh |
Plus next season we may tangibly see the effects of the Pandemic and all of a sudden we may see a slight shift from players and agents earning as much from the game.
It would be long overdue. | | | |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 11:27 - Apr 15 with 669 views | onehunglow |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:59 - Apr 15 by 9MilesHigh |
Plus next season we may tangibly see the effects of the Pandemic and all of a sudden we may see a slight shift from players and agents earning as much from the game.
It would be long overdue. |
Don't assume this pandemic is going away sometime soon.
Our lives have been changed forever.We need to grip that fact especially those who think vaccinations aren't necessary. They need to be compulsory for stadium entry. Why should anyone run the risk of a cretin giving them a deadly virus. If I bother my arris again to go to a game,I d be looking to sit a far away as possible from anyone.
There is a spike in London and this shows people are simply idiots,who live never learn |  |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 11:31 - Apr 15 with 681 views | Dr_Winston |
If you accept Ayew's wage as the generally accepted £80k per week, then he alone accounts for a third of our final parachute payment of around £15m, so even with him off the wage bill there would still be a £10m reduction in income next season.
I'd concur that a lot of the hardest work has already been done in preparing us for life without PL money. If the club are happy to charge the amounts they are for season tickets next year, season tickets that will form the bulk of our income from here on in, they must be reasonably confident that we'll have enough cash to be getting on with. |  |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 11:55 - Apr 15 with 672 views | monmouth |
Ayew? 40k a week? Would he be paying us?
He ought to. |  |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 12:14 - Apr 15 with 663 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 11:31 - Apr 15 by Dr_Winston |
If you accept Ayew's wage as the generally accepted £80k per week, then he alone accounts for a third of our final parachute payment of around £15m, so even with him off the wage bill there would still be a £10m reduction in income next season.
I'd concur that a lot of the hardest work has already been done in preparing us for life without PL money. If the club are happy to charge the amounts they are for season tickets next year, season tickets that will form the bulk of our income from here on in, they must be reasonably confident that we'll have enough cash to be getting on with. |
Well, the bulk of our income will come from the Basic Award and Solidarity payment from the EFL/EPL. Around £7m per club. I think we would have been lucky to have got to that figure even in the EPL days but it would have been closer.
So, our wage bill is arguably around the £15m mark now, maybe a bit more. Ayew's wages will go but with the EFL/EPL and Season ticket money we're already on the even keel.
It's up to us now to do it the Swansea way again and not be burdened with the salary worries that have plagued us for too long. | | | |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 12:19 - Apr 15 with 658 views | 9MilesHigh |
Important to note Sheffield United would have been promoted on something like the 4th or 5th lowest wage bill - and Brentford who have been knocking on the door recently was less than that at the time.
SCFC 2011 would have been considerably lower again. | | | |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 15:22 - Apr 15 with 616 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:18 - Apr 15 by 9MilesHigh |
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Which part has confused you? |  |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 15:58 - Apr 15 with 602 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 10:36 - Apr 15 by Chief |
Rodon, while an interesting example of a player earning 10k a week, is:
1: an outlying anomaly as its strangely low.
2: not applicable or comparable to the situation as Spurs will be able to source better players than Swansea.
Better? |
Indeed.
It’s also forgetting the £15m price tag. Meaning unless someone of Rodon’s quality comes through our academy again, then who on earth is going to give us the player for nothing? And if he was available for nothing then he would be going to a club that can offer him an extremely long deal, a massive signing on fee and incremental increases year on year.... like Spurs.
In our situation we are more likely to be able to get someone such as Bennett. Not getting in a side in the PL who is willing to drop down a league and the club willing to let him leave to free up some salary. While we may be paying the player a bit more than the average, it’s a permanent player with potential sell on value as opposed to the dead money of a loan.
The other alternative is the free transfer (unattached) route, but again players on free transfers often ask more in salary due to them not commanding a fee. But it’s very rare to get someone of Rodon’s ability who is completely unattached and cheap salary wise.
There is no point in mentioning the likes of Guehi because he is a loan player and we cannot keep filling our squad with loan players, especially when we will have a remit to buy in order to profit and already have to replace the loan players that will be going back - Ayew is not one of them. | |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 19:03 - Apr 15 with 575 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 15:58 - Apr 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed.
It’s also forgetting the £15m price tag. Meaning unless someone of Rodon’s quality comes through our academy again, then who on earth is going to give us the player for nothing? And if he was available for nothing then he would be going to a club that can offer him an extremely long deal, a massive signing on fee and incremental increases year on year.... like Spurs.
In our situation we are more likely to be able to get someone such as Bennett. Not getting in a side in the PL who is willing to drop down a league and the club willing to let him leave to free up some salary. While we may be paying the player a bit more than the average, it’s a permanent player with potential sell on value as opposed to the dead money of a loan.
The other alternative is the free transfer (unattached) route, but again players on free transfers often ask more in salary due to them not commanding a fee. But it’s very rare to get someone of Rodon’s ability who is completely unattached and cheap salary wise.
There is no point in mentioning the likes of Guehi because he is a loan player and we cannot keep filling our squad with loan players, especially when we will have a remit to buy in order to profit and already have to replace the loan players that will be going back - Ayew is not one of them. |
This clown seems to think we can't fully utilise and benefit from loan signings.
He also thinks you've got to buy in from the EPL or 30 something year olds...
In addition, how much were:
Rangel
Bodde
Ashley Williams
Jason Scotland
Stephen Dobbie
Mark Gower
Nathan Dyer
Neil Taylor
Fede Bessone
Alan Tate
.....to name but a few, on in terms of weekly wages when we signed them?
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 19:16 - Apr 15 with 567 views | Oldjack |
Well he's not prem quality, a tidy championship player though with bags of energy and a wee bit of skill ,he'd also got what it takes to be a great captain for the team .40grand a week never worth that |  |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 19:27 - Apr 15 with 563 views | Badlands |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 19:03 - Apr 15 by 9MilesHigh |
This clown seems to think we can't fully utilise and benefit from loan signings.
He also thinks you've got to buy in from the EPL or 30 something year olds...
In addition, how much were:
Rangel
Bodde
Ashley Williams
Jason Scotland
Stephen Dobbie
Mark Gower
Nathan Dyer
Neil Taylor
Fede Bessone
Alan Tate
.....to name but a few, on in terms of weekly wages when we signed them?
Next.... |
Rangel
Ferrie
Bessone
Would be given a permit by the FA now.
How many of the others were in League 1 or 2, with ver few clubs looking at them, when they arrived?
Had Cooper really brought on our players Cullen and Cabango could be looking at 8 figure moves but they weren’t his boys and they didn't have parent clubs insisting they play.
Back to Ayew.
Stunning in the Championship but no longer a PL player.
Keep him next season but formally make him captain. |  |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 20:19 - Apr 15 with 552 views | Dr_Winston |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 11:55 - Apr 15 by monmouth |
Ayew? 40k a week? Would he be paying us?
He ought to. |
You're one of my favourite posters on both forums Monny but I don't get the Ayew hate. Yes, we're paying him too much but he didn't hold a gun to our heads and make us.
Otherwise he's been an exemplar pro. Worked his nuts off for the cause when we've picked him and has either scored or set up 40+ goals in the last two seasons. We'd have been nowhere near the playoffs either last season or this without him. | |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 00:50 - Apr 16 with 506 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Ayew has a chioce to make. The bigger the wage the less he plays. If he was signed by Spurs on £40k a week he will warm the bench llike Llorente did. The most likely teams are Norwich Watford and the other promoted team plus lower PL team Newcastle Brighton Southampton etc These might offer £30k. Burnley ideal for his workrate. He might not be regular in those sides and be back in the championship after one season.
Swansea might need to offer £25k pw. He may be happy in the area. Cooper plays him every week without fail. France is the favourite Nice would be nice. Llile perhaps Toulose. |  |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 01:01 - Apr 16 with 503 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 19:03 - Apr 15 by 9MilesHigh |
This clown seems to think we can't fully utilise and benefit from loan signings.
He also thinks you've got to buy in from the EPL or 30 something year olds...
In addition, how much were:
Rangel
Bodde
Ashley Williams
Jason Scotland
Stephen Dobbie
Mark Gower
Nathan Dyer
Neil Taylor
Fede Bessone
Alan Tate
.....to name but a few, on in terms of weekly wages when we signed them?
Next.... |
Why can’t she read what is typed?
We can fully utilise the loan market, of course we can. But incase you haven’t noticed, the loan players we have got this season are going back next season. They will possibly be replaced with other loan players.
This discussion is about Ayew and replacing him.
You suggested that with 40k a week in which we could hypothetically sign him, we could get 7 good players and referenced Joe Rodon, the 15m Spurs signing.
Referencing players we signed 15 years ago or Spurs’ £15m player really isn’t helping your case.
Hence I decided to give you a shot of reality by telling you in today’s market, the type of player we can sign (and will want to sign, I.e a permanent player with sell on value) to slot straight into our side with a fairly good pedigree is someone like Bennett, 20k a week.
When you were going on about who we could afford as a striker in January you said “anyone in the Premier League U23’s”. Just crazy.
I tell you what. You supply the specific players and we can decide if you have a genuine point or not, we will see if we can get 6 or 7 Rodon-esque players in for what you are claiming.
Remember, you referenced Rodon, suggesting we can get players of his calibre, so I’m assuming they would already be fairly well known to be as good as him, so shouldn’t be too difficult to source.. right? Unless you are talking about 6/7 wild gambles that you have never seen play before and hope they can adapt?
You are off your rocker recently. I think your self imposed vendetta is getting the better of you. [Post edited 16 Apr 2021 2:10]
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 06:29 - Apr 16 with 475 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 01:01 - Apr 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why can’t she read what is typed?
We can fully utilise the loan market, of course we can. But incase you haven’t noticed, the loan players we have got this season are going back next season. They will possibly be replaced with other loan players.
This discussion is about Ayew and replacing him.
You suggested that with 40k a week in which we could hypothetically sign him, we could get 7 good players and referenced Joe Rodon, the 15m Spurs signing.
Referencing players we signed 15 years ago or Spurs’ £15m player really isn’t helping your case.
Hence I decided to give you a shot of reality by telling you in today’s market, the type of player we can sign (and will want to sign, I.e a permanent player with sell on value) to slot straight into our side with a fairly good pedigree is someone like Bennett, 20k a week.
When you were going on about who we could afford as a striker in January you said “anyone in the Premier League U23’s”. Just crazy.
I tell you what. You supply the specific players and we can decide if you have a genuine point or not, we will see if we can get 6 or 7 Rodon-esque players in for what you are claiming.
Remember, you referenced Rodon, suggesting we can get players of his calibre, so I’m assuming they would already be fairly well known to be as good as him, so shouldn’t be too difficult to source.. right? Unless you are talking about 6/7 wild gambles that you have never seen play before and hope they can adapt?
You are off your rocker recently. I think your self imposed vendetta is getting the better of you. [Post edited 16 Apr 2021 2:10]
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Wasn’t Oli Mcburnie a striker in “Premier League u23s” when he scored 17 goals for a struggling Barnsley team.
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 07:31 - Apr 16 with 463 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 06:29 - Apr 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
Wasn’t Oli Mcburnie a striker in “Premier League u23s” when he scored 17 goals for a struggling Barnsley team.
Why is it crazy? |
Yes. He now plays for Sheffield United.
Why is what crazy? Signing “anyone” from PL U23’s? Is that a serious question? The obvious answer to that is Botti Biabi was one too. If there is an Oli Mc character knocking about then let us know.
Far too many cop outs when discussing what we can and should do and even worse... should have done. If there are players you want and think we can sign within budget, then name them so we can all have a look.
Saying “there are loads”, doesn’t really further the point or the discussion. | |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 07:55 - Apr 16 with 458 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 07:31 - Apr 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yes. He now plays for Sheffield United.
Why is what crazy? Signing “anyone” from PL U23’s? Is that a serious question? The obvious answer to that is Botti Biabi was one too. If there is an Oli Mc character knocking about then let us know.
Far too many cop outs when discussing what we can and should do and even worse... should have done. If there are players you want and think we can sign within budget, then name them so we can all have a look.
Saying “there are loads”, doesn’t really further the point or the discussion. |
Yeah now he does yeah, which 100% shows that there are gems in the U23 system in the Premier League.
Are you losing your mind? | | | |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:01 - Apr 16 with 456 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 07:55 - Apr 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
Yeah now he does yeah, which 100% shows that there are gems in the U23 system in the Premier League.
Are you losing your mind? |
Eh? Where have I said there won’t be any good players in the Premier League U23’s?
I think in your haste to disagree with everything I say you have failed to read what has been said. There is a few suffering from that syndrome of late.
If there are easy pickings in there, let us know who they are. Would be good to discuss them. | |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:10 - Apr 16 with 451 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:01 - Apr 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Eh? Where have I said there won’t be any good players in the Premier League U23’s?
I think in your haste to disagree with everything I say you have failed to read what has been said. There is a few suffering from that syndrome of late.
If there are easy pickings in there, let us know who they are. Would be good to discuss them. |
<< When you were going on about who we could afford as a striker in January you said “anyone in the Premier League U23’s”. Just crazy. >>
Why is it crazy to sign a player from a Premier League sides U23's side, when it has been proven in the past to work. How much did Barnsley pay for Oli's services? If we needed a 9 as desperate as Cooper said, then we could do alot worse than looking at a few of the lads in the PL1 / PL2 | | | |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:15 - Apr 16 with 449 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:10 - Apr 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
<< When you were going on about who we could afford as a striker in January you said “anyone in the Premier League U23’s”. Just crazy. >>
Why is it crazy to sign a player from a Premier League sides U23's side, when it has been proven in the past to work. How much did Barnsley pay for Oli's services? If we needed a 9 as desperate as Cooper said, then we could do alot worse than looking at a few of the lads in the PL1 / PL2 |
It isn’t. I’m not sure why you keep asking me the same question. It’s not mentioned anywhere in what you have quoted.
It’s crazy to sign “anyone” from that development league though. It’s like saying in response to who we should sign... “anyone from Spain, Michu is Spanish”.
You have to identify actual players not just assume there is a suitable one there, let alone 7. | |
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:22 - Apr 16 with 444 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:15 - Apr 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
It isn’t. I’m not sure why you keep asking me the same question. It’s not mentioned anywhere in what you have quoted.
It’s crazy to sign “anyone” from that development league though. It’s like saying in response to who we should sign... “anyone from Spain, Michu is Spanish”.
You have to identify actual players not just assume there is a suitable one there, let alone 7. |
9MH obviously didn't mean just pop in and pick the first 9 on an U23 teamsheet though did he?
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| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:26 - Apr 16 with 443 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Would you sign Ayew on a one year deal on 08:22 - Apr 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
9MH obviously didn't mean just pop in and pick the first 9 on an U23 teamsheet though did he?
Do we employ scouts these days? |
I have no idea what he meant. Usually when people make suggestions of signings then they give them, as opposed to a generic league and assuming there are multiple suitable players there.
Employing scouts doesn’t create players. Scouts sourced Gyokeres I am assuming, who has also had a spell in u-23 level football.
If there are players we can sign as good as Rodon for 10k a week, let’s hear them. Not sure why that simple response is being met with hostility. Sounds like it could be a goldmine, let’s explore it... | |
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