| Is Drakeford getting this right ? 00:57 - Apr 23 with 3577 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 14:27 - Apr 24 with 708 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 14:17 - Apr 24 by controversial_jack |
Yes, lockdowns and distancing reduced the cases as it's too early for the vaccines to fully take effect yet to the extent that cases have dropped so much. Other countries who have progressed well with the vaccines and haven't had lockdowns haven't done so well
Drinking outside may be fine, but it's when it moves indoors the problems will start.When pubs start to get the customers in and see the money rolling in, all restrictions will go out of the window |
Research had shown that vaccines have had a significant effect in reducing cases, severity of cases and number of deaths with the largest decreases in all the older age groups. So far the ONS estimates 10,000 lives have been saved by the vaccine. |  |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 14:51 - Apr 24 with 686 views | Boundy |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 14:19 - Apr 24 by controversial_jack |
There hasn't been an increase in suicides or attempts, so the mental health argument doesn't stand up |
How do you know that's correct , the ONS don't and if they do its not in the public domain. On a personal note there have been 5 suicides recently in a 2 mile radius from my location , 3 bridge jumpers , one hanging and one drugs overdose, I couldn't say that they were due to the stress of the pandemic but r can you say they're not .
Suicide data 2020 to 2021:
" ONS produce provisional suicide data for England on a quarterly basis. This publication provides deaths that have been registered from January to June of 2020. This is for deaths registered in 2020, and due to the registration delay described above, many of these deaths will have occurred in 2019.
ONS Suicides in the UK publication will be updated with 2020 data in September 2021." | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 16:10 - Apr 24 with 637 views | controversial_jack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 14:51 - Apr 24 by Boundy |
How do you know that's correct , the ONS don't and if they do its not in the public domain. On a personal note there have been 5 suicides recently in a 2 mile radius from my location , 3 bridge jumpers , one hanging and one drugs overdose, I couldn't say that they were due to the stress of the pandemic but r can you say they're not .
Suicide data 2020 to 2021:
" ONS produce provisional suicide data for England on a quarterly basis. This publication provides deaths that have been registered from January to June of 2020. This is for deaths registered in 2020, and due to the registration delay described above, many of these deaths will have occurred in 2019.
ONS Suicides in the UK publication will be updated with 2020 data in September 2021." |
I know it's only up to 2020, but we are only at April now
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 16:56 - Apr 24 with 637 views | Catullus |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 14:51 - Apr 24 by Boundy |
How do you know that's correct , the ONS don't and if they do its not in the public domain. On a personal note there have been 5 suicides recently in a 2 mile radius from my location , 3 bridge jumpers , one hanging and one drugs overdose, I couldn't say that they were due to the stress of the pandemic but r can you say they're not .
Suicide data 2020 to 2021:
" ONS produce provisional suicide data for England on a quarterly basis. This publication provides deaths that have been registered from January to June of 2020. This is for deaths registered in 2020, and due to the registration delay described above, many of these deaths will have occurred in 2019.
ONS Suicides in the UK publication will be updated with 2020 data in September 2021." |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 18:20 - Apr 24 with 610 views | felixstowe_jack |
Manchester University also did some research on suicides from the beginning of lockdown to the end of August. They concluded there was no evidence of an increase in the suicide rate though did put some caveats stating suicides tend to vary month by month. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 18:24 - Apr 24 with 606 views | onehunglow |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 18:20 - Apr 24 by felixstowe_jack |
Manchester University also did some research on suicides from the beginning of lockdown to the end of August. They concluded there was no evidence of an increase in the suicide rate though did put some caveats stating suicides tend to vary month by month. |
Paul.
One of the many aspects of this issue that angers me os mental health/suicide being used to forego social distancing ,masks and lockdowns.
Too many have wanted no restrictions at all,seeing it as an infringement of human rights. I refer you to Piers Corbyn .
150,000 have died,becaue we have been led by a Jerk for a PM and a selfish self-centred populace . | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 19:22 - Apr 24 with 595 views | Jack123 |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 18:24 - Apr 24 by onehunglow |
Paul.
One of the many aspects of this issue that angers me os mental health/suicide being used to forego social distancing ,masks and lockdowns.
Too many have wanted no restrictions at all,seeing it as an infringement of human rights. I refer you to Piers Corbyn .
150,000 have died,becaue we have been led by a Jerk for a PM and a selfish self-centred populace . |
Not wishing to start an argument here, but I believe the deaths from covid, and for example the figure you have quoted 150k, are highly questionable.
Just remember from the onset of this, before they changed the reporting used, they were marking down RTA victims as covid deaths, because they had been tested positive 3 months prior. |  |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 19:40 - Apr 24 with 581 views | Boundy |
Thanks for posting , any death is a sad death but one by one own hands is imo possibly the worst kind. Hopefully the figures will show that teres not been a significant increase due to this pandemic but again imo I wouldn't t be surprised if there is . | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 19:46 - Apr 24 with 577 views | onehunglow |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 19:22 - Apr 24 by Jack123 |
Not wishing to start an argument here, but I believe the deaths from covid, and for example the figure you have quoted 150k, are highly questionable.
Just remember from the onset of this, before they changed the reporting used, they were marking down RTA victims as covid deaths, because they had been tested positive 3 months prior. |
Ok.Half it.Any better?
It is still death by stupidity.
We should not rely on a government to keep us safe although we should have had the guts like the Kiwis to fully lockdown and block all entry.Fullstop.
We are still fretting over not letting in Indians given India's horrendous problem.The figure there too might be skewed .
They might actually be worse. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 19:52 - Apr 24 with 576 views | Scotia |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 19:22 - Apr 24 by Jack123 |
Not wishing to start an argument here, but I believe the deaths from covid, and for example the figure you have quoted 150k, are highly questionable.
Just remember from the onset of this, before they changed the reporting used, they were marking down RTA victims as covid deaths, because they had been tested positive 3 months prior. |
They were and that's why the way deaths were recorded was changed. There will be some deaths that aren't associated with covid recorded but I would have thought very few.
There are probably more that die of covid after the 28 day window has passed. | | | |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:13 - Apr 24 with 560 views | Jack123 |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 19:52 - Apr 24 by Scotia |
They were and that's why the way deaths were recorded was changed. There will be some deaths that aren't associated with covid recorded but I would have thought very few.
There are probably more that die of covid after the 28 day window has passed. |
Ok, but let's face it, there is nothing to say they actually died of covid, they say died within 28 days of testing positive of covid.
Surely it should be 100% they died of covid, not within 28 days of having a test?, Not wishing to upset the applecart, because I really don't a fck anymore but I have seen many reports of people complaining that their relatives had died of cancer, last stages, yet were marked up as covid.
It does make you question if we were in a global pandemic, why the need to manipulate figures, to make it worse than it was. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:21 - Apr 24 with 546 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 10:28 - Apr 23 by controversial_jack |
I believe Drakeford has done a good job.He has been more measured and cautious than the other UK leaders.
He has also taken the tough decisions when needed. You can't ask more from a leader than that. Yes. most have followed the guidance and kept themselves safe -I started wearing a mask before it was mandatory, however there has been some selfish tw*ts who have put other at risk. Hose parties etc, is as bad , if not worse than drink driving imo. |
Up arrowed by mistake, meant to do the opposite. [Post edited 24 Apr 2021 20:34]
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:29 - Apr 24 with 544 views | onehunglow |
So it's not that bad then and we have been put into terror and panic by the government over a virus that really isnt as bad as it is made out.
Figures manipulated and nowhere near the number of deaths reported.
Its more like 59,60.70 thouand and that's ok .
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:36 - Apr 24 with 533 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 12:03 - Apr 23 by Slugster664 |
Mother of God, which tough decisions has HE made? The man has either copied BoJo 2-3 weeks down the line, or waited until BoJo has made a decision then went against it to politically point score! The man is no leader, the man is a blithering idiot with absolutely no personality.
I voted Labour for the first 15 years or so of my adult life then realised they are holding us back in every way, Welsh Labour are destroying us here...open your eyes. |
This in spades...sadly he'll be voted back into power by kids and sheep. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:39 - Apr 24 with 531 views | onehunglow |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:36 - Apr 24 by Flashberryjack |
This in spades...sadly he'll be voted back into power by kids and sheep. |
Everyone voted labour when young and anti everything.Then you grow up . | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:48 - Apr 24 with 528 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:39 - Apr 24 by onehunglow |
Everyone voted labour when young and anti everything.Then you grow up . |
So give them the vote before they grow up...makes perfect sense mun. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:49 - Apr 24 with 527 views | onehunglow |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:48 - Apr 24 by Flashberryjack |
So give them the vote before they grow up...makes perfect sense mun. |
Think Jezza was all for giving foetus a vote.
I remember him at Glasto.
A politician at a gig like that in my day would have been blown off stage. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 22:15 - Apr 24 with 508 views | majorraglan |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 00:57 - Apr 24 by Jack123 |
From the 26th when outdoor hospitality opens, it looks good on paper, but from what I can see the majority of places will be bookings only, and a max 2 hour stay?
And to answer the OP, No Drakeford is not getting it right, he shut down within a few weeks pre chrimbo when the cases were rising, yet he is unwilling to be as swift, in removing the restrictions, when there are hardly any cases for weeks. [Post edited 24 Apr 2021 1:00]
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I don’t blame places having time restrictions and bookings, makes it easier to manage and slots and regular intervals allows for cleaning regimes etc, also means people are likely to spend more in a shorter space of time.
Maybe he’s reflected on coming out of the October firebreak with hardly any restrictions, observing the subsequent carnage which led to cases rising saw and then having to shut us down again pre Christmas. Maybe he’s learning from his and others errors which is the a good thing. We aren’t out of the woods yet, but we are moving in the right direction, another free for all could mess it all up. | | | |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 00:34 - Apr 25 with 487 views | controversial_jack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:13 - Apr 24 by Jack123 |
Ok, but let's face it, there is nothing to say they actually died of covid, they say died within 28 days of testing positive of covid.
Surely it should be 100% they died of covid, not within 28 days of having a test?, Not wishing to upset the applecart, because I really don't a fck anymore but I have seen many reports of people complaining that their relatives had died of cancer, last stages, yet were marked up as covid.
It does make you question if we were in a global pandemic, why the need to manipulate figures, to make it worse than it was. |
There are often several causes on death certificates, it's the norm. Patients don't die from their original diagnose , but complications brought on by it.
I was told today by a nurse, that anyone who catches covid while in hospital is not recorded as such on the official figures. If so, then it must be under reported and is higher than the official figures show | | | |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 07:26 - Apr 25 with 467 views | Scotia |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 20:13 - Apr 24 by Jack123 |
Ok, but let's face it, there is nothing to say they actually died of covid, they say died within 28 days of testing positive of covid.
Surely it should be 100% they died of covid, not within 28 days of having a test?, Not wishing to upset the applecart, because I really don't a fck anymore but I have seen many reports of people complaining that their relatives had died of cancer, last stages, yet were marked up as covid.
It does make you question if we were in a global pandemic, why the need to manipulate figures, to make it worse than it was. |
If you look at the figures for those who have covid on the death certificate it is even higher. Especially so in Wales.
There's no getting away from it, lots and lots of people have died of covid. | | | |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 08:19 - Apr 25 with 457 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 00:34 - Apr 25 by controversial_jack |
There are often several causes on death certificates, it's the norm. Patients don't die from their original diagnose , but complications brought on by it.
I was told today by a nurse, that anyone who catches covid while in hospital is not recorded as such on the official figures. If so, then it must be under reported and is higher than the official figures show |
Wrong that is why deaths with coronavirus on the death certificate is 25% higher than the arbitrary 28 days of a positive test result. The 28 day death total only records deaths in hospital, some care homes. It doses not include all care homes, hospices and deaths at home which is why it is Drakeford's preferred statistic. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 08:45 - Apr 25 with 446 views | Kilkennyjack |
Looks like tbe deaths are Johnsons fault then ... old Classic Dom is going the take him down for it ....
‘Dominic Cummings is preparing a dossier of evidence that will attempt to blame Boris Johnson personally for the tens of thousands of deaths during the second wave of the pandemic.
The prime minister’s former chief adviser is expected to use his select committee appearance before MPs next month to criticise his former boss for failures that have given Britain one of the worst death tolls in Europe.
Last night, Cummings launched a fresh attack on the prime minister, suggesting the government had been too slow to shut the borders when the pandemic began’.
Its amazing how working class Swansea boys got into protecting the terrible posh Englishman who cares nothing for anyone but himself. Wake tf up people. |  |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 08:46 - Apr 25 with 445 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 08:19 - Apr 25 by felixstowe_jack |
Wrong that is why deaths with coronavirus on the death certificate is 25% higher than the arbitrary 28 days of a positive test result. The 28 day death total only records deaths in hospital, some care homes. It doses not include all care homes, hospices and deaths at home which is why it is Drakeford's preferred statistic. |
Dont be a fool all your life mun. | |
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| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 08:57 - Apr 25 with 441 views | Whiterockin |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 14:19 - Apr 24 by controversial_jack |
There hasn't been an increase in suicides or attempts, so the mental health argument doesn't stand up |
It might be worth you reading this from MIND then scrolling down and clicking on and reading the full report. Mental health issues can not be judged only on the number of suicides.
https://www.mind.org.uk/corona |  | | |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 09:03 - Apr 25 with 437 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Drakeford getting this right ? on 08:45 - Apr 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Looks like tbe deaths are Johnsons fault then ... old Classic Dom is going the take him down for it ....
‘Dominic Cummings is preparing a dossier of evidence that will attempt to blame Boris Johnson personally for the tens of thousands of deaths during the second wave of the pandemic.
The prime minister’s former chief adviser is expected to use his select committee appearance before MPs next month to criticise his former boss for failures that have given Britain one of the worst death tolls in Europe.
Last night, Cummings launched a fresh attack on the prime minister, suggesting the government had been too slow to shut the borders when the pandemic began’.
Its amazing how working class Swansea boys got into protecting the terrible posh Englishman who cares nothing for anyone but himself. Wake tf up people. |
The people of Wales are at long last are realising that it is labour that is holding back Wales future as a prosperous part of the UK. | |
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