| War graves scandal on 11:14 - Apr 23 with 1178 views | KeithHaynes |
It is a scandal and this country never deserved the faith of other countries we indoctrinated in to our alleged better way of thinking.
However, the media due love a govt apology now and then.
We are one of a very few countries to admit our past mistakes, even if we don't really mean it.
Italy aren’t fans of apologies, even after what Mussolini ordered in Libya they stay relatively silent.
The deaths by firing squads, bombardment and mustard gas pre ww2 was horrendous. Even Hitler wasn’t happy with that. |  |
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| War graves scandal on 11:20 - Apr 23 with 1166 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 11:14 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
It is a scandal and this country never deserved the faith of other countries we indoctrinated in to our alleged better way of thinking.
However, the media due love a govt apology now and then.
We are one of a very few countries to admit our past mistakes, even if we don't really mean it.
Italy aren’t fans of apologies, even after what Mussolini ordered in Libya they stay relatively silent.
The deaths by firing squads, bombardment and mustard gas pre ww2 was horrendous. Even Hitler wasn’t happy with that. |
It was shocking on our part but we recognise it now,and we cant do anymore than that.
Italy is a mute point.
Italians ,IMO ,arent great as humility nor accepting blame.
Their butchery in north Africa seems to have seeped under the radar.
Their role is supporting the Franco's carnage also the stuff of shame.
Italy is a beautiful land but a divided one,north and south. North,where the money is,sees the southerners as peasants.Ive seen this first hand.
The south has outright contempt for Lombardy,Piedmont and Veneto.
At least Mussolini unified -for a brief while before they turned on him too.
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| War graves scandal on 12:27 - Apr 23 with 1151 views | KeithHaynes |
| War graves scandal on 11:20 - Apr 23 by onehunglow |
It was shocking on our part but we recognise it now,and we cant do anymore than that.
Italy is a mute point.
Italians ,IMO ,arent great as humility nor accepting blame.
Their butchery in north Africa seems to have seeped under the radar.
Their role is supporting the Franco's carnage also the stuff of shame.
Italy is a beautiful land but a divided one,north and south. North,where the money is,sees the southerners as peasants.Ive seen this first hand.
The south has outright contempt for Lombardy,Piedmont and Veneto.
At least Mussolini unified -for a brief while before they turned on him too.
We are not wholly bad or good |
The Italian fascists were smashed to pieces at the battle of Guadalajara, by Italians and volunteers in the EPR. Mind you at Hitlers behest and in an attempt to appease him, Mussolini sent 80k soldiers and volunteers, thousands of bombs, rifles and hundreds of planes. As an army Italy was as bad as it goes, easy to drop bombs and execute hundreds of thousands of villagers in Libya and Ethiopia, but when they came up against the Republicans in the north of Spain they basically legged it.
Reverse lights on tanks etc. It seems these days the anti fascist movement in a Italy is stronger than ever, but they still have a small balding element of overweight Mussolini types attempting to keep alive the spirit of the old days. ( Think of the few remaining sixty plus year old soul crew blokes and you get the picture ) | |
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| War graves scandal on 13:09 - Apr 23 with 1130 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 12:27 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
The Italian fascists were smashed to pieces at the battle of Guadalajara, by Italians and volunteers in the EPR. Mind you at Hitlers behest and in an attempt to appease him, Mussolini sent 80k soldiers and volunteers, thousands of bombs, rifles and hundreds of planes. As an army Italy was as bad as it goes, easy to drop bombs and execute hundreds of thousands of villagers in Libya and Ethiopia, but when they came up against the Republicans in the north of Spain they basically legged it.
Reverse lights on tanks etc. It seems these days the anti fascist movement in a Italy is stronger than ever, but they still have a small balding element of overweight Mussolini types attempting to keep alive the spirit of the old days. ( Think of the few remaining sixty plus year old soul crew blokes and you get the picture ) |
Im half way through a book on the Civil War.Its a long read for sure.
Pretty shocking and a genuine civil war at that. | |
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| War graves scandal on 13:13 - Apr 23 with 1124 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 12:27 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
The Italian fascists were smashed to pieces at the battle of Guadalajara, by Italians and volunteers in the EPR. Mind you at Hitlers behest and in an attempt to appease him, Mussolini sent 80k soldiers and volunteers, thousands of bombs, rifles and hundreds of planes. As an army Italy was as bad as it goes, easy to drop bombs and execute hundreds of thousands of villagers in Libya and Ethiopia, but when they came up against the Republicans in the north of Spain they basically legged it.
Reverse lights on tanks etc. It seems these days the anti fascist movement in a Italy is stronger than ever, but they still have a small balding element of overweight Mussolini types attempting to keep alive the spirit of the old days. ( Think of the few remaining sixty plus year old soul crew blokes and you get the picture ) |
My experience of many Italians are they are more racist that most,although not on the same level as the Slavic nations.
Wifey had a workmate of colour,who went to Ancona and suffered horrendous and open racist hate.Wife, worked with many in the Tailoring industry where Italians were often to be found. | |
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| War graves scandal on 21:52 - Apr 24 with 1008 views | londonlisa2001 |
The is no need for a ‘but’ or ‘however’ after an acknowledgment of the sheer abhorrence of this.
There was a elderly veteran from London of Jamaican descent on LBC this evening who was crying and said he’d never wear his medals again.
It is utterly shameful. [Post edited 24 Apr 2021 21:53]
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| War graves scandal on 22:04 - Apr 24 with 1010 views | Catullus |
| War graves scandal on 21:52 - Apr 24 by londonlisa2001 |
The is no need for a ‘but’ or ‘however’ after an acknowledgment of the sheer abhorrence of this.
There was a elderly veteran from London of Jamaican descent on LBC this evening who was crying and said he’d never wear his medals again.
It is utterly shameful. [Post edited 24 Apr 2021 21:53]
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They were proud to be British but Britain betrayed them,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32703753
I'd like to be able to say it had ended, this type of bigotry but look at how we've treaed Ghurhka's very recently, not just Ghurka's, other commonwelath troops,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32703753
I suppose at least it's good that when these stories come out the troops have so much public backing they usually get something done. | |
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| War graves scandal on 11:32 - Apr 25 with 954 views | Kilkennyjack |
This guy 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| War graves scandal on 11:36 - Apr 25 with 963 views | felixstowe_jack |
| War graves scandal on 11:32 - Apr 25 by Kilkennyjack |
This guy 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
What a hero saved us from living under the nazi jackboot.
How ironic that bunch of morons only have their right to protest because of him. You can just imagine Hitlers SS just shooting them. | |
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| War graves scandal on 11:40 - Apr 25 with 955 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 11:36 - Apr 25 by felixstowe_jack |
What a hero saved us from living under the nazi jackboot.
How ironic that bunch of morons only have their right to protest because of him. You can just imagine Hitlers SS just shooting them. |
Ireland “ neutral” though. De Valera would rather have seen Hitler win so as to get a “ United” Ireland. The enemy on our doorstep | |
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| War graves scandal on 11:44 - Apr 25 with 955 views | KeithHaynes |
| War graves scandal on 11:32 - Apr 25 by Kilkennyjack |
This guy 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
They even got the mini bus driver to stand in shot. | |
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| War graves scandal on 11:56 - Apr 25 with 939 views | Kilkennyjack |
| War graves scandal on 11:40 - Apr 25 by onehunglow |
Ireland “ neutral” though. De Valera would rather have seen Hitler win so as to get a “ United” Ireland. The enemy on our doorstep |
We are talking about war graves and Churchill.
Whats your view ? | |
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| War graves scandal on 12:12 - Apr 25 with 941 views | Catullus |
| War graves scandal on 11:56 - Apr 25 by Kilkennyjack |
We are talking about war graves and Churchill.
Whats your view ? |
I can tell you mine, you have to judge the man in the context of his time.
Judge him a modern context and he is definitely a racist, a bigot and psooibly a war criminal for Dresden alone.
That's why context is important.
How Churchill treated the non white soldiers was a disgrace. It should have been a disgrace in the 1940's but you can't blame Churchill for the times he lived in.
Even today some of the so called "upper classes" are quite bigoted, towards many people, anybody they consider "lower" than themselves but back in the 40's it was much worse. | |
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| War graves scandal on 17:46 - Apr 25 with 905 views | Kilkennyjack |
| War graves scandal on 12:12 - Apr 25 by Catullus |
I can tell you mine, you have to judge the man in the context of his time.
Judge him a modern context and he is definitely a racist, a bigot and psooibly a war criminal for Dresden alone.
That's why context is important.
How Churchill treated the non white soldiers was a disgrace. It should have been a disgrace in the 1940's but you can't blame Churchill for the times he lived in.
Even today some of the so called "upper classes" are quite bigoted, towards many people, anybody they consider "lower" than themselves but back in the 40's it was much worse. |
Speaking to Perch tbh ....
Thanks for the considered reply though. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 17:47]
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| War graves scandal on 18:11 - Apr 25 with 902 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 12:12 - Apr 25 by Catullus |
I can tell you mine, you have to judge the man in the context of his time.
Judge him a modern context and he is definitely a racist, a bigot and psooibly a war criminal for Dresden alone.
That's why context is important.
How Churchill treated the non white soldiers was a disgrace. It should have been a disgrace in the 1940's but you can't blame Churchill for the times he lived in.
Even today some of the so called "upper classes" are quite bigoted, towards many people, anybody they consider "lower" than themselves but back in the 40's it was much worse. |
And it works both ways too. Many. At the lower end of the scale have outright hatred for those they see as upper class.
Btw, where are the graves of the IRA victims ?,the ones whose bodies lie somewhere we do not know | |
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| War graves scandal on 18:20 - Apr 25 with 900 views | felixstowe_jack |
| War graves scandal on 11:40 - Apr 25 by onehunglow |
Ireland “ neutral” though. De Valera would rather have seen Hitler win so as to get a “ United” Ireland. The enemy on our doorstep |
And the irony was Hitler was more than happy for his u boats to sink any ships heading for the republic of Ireland.
Cargo ships and oil tankers heading to the ROI had to join British escorted conveys to reach the ROI safely. | |
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| War graves scandal on 18:23 - Apr 25 with 896 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 18:20 - Apr 25 by felixstowe_jack |
And the irony was Hitler was more than happy for his u boats to sink any ships heading for the republic of Ireland.
Cargo ships and oil tankers heading to the ROI had to join British escorted conveys to reach the ROI safely. |
Indeed it was.De Valera also sent a message of condolence at Hitlers death.
And this is supposed to be a Celtic cousin country of ours. | |
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| War graves scandal on 19:27 - Apr 25 with 882 views | Catullus |
| War graves scandal on 18:11 - Apr 25 by onehunglow |
And it works both ways too. Many. At the lower end of the scale have outright hatred for those they see as upper class.
Btw, where are the graves of the IRA victims ?,the ones whose bodies lie somewhere we do not know |
Their graves are wherever the bodies are.
I agree those at the lower end of society hate the upper classes too, it's 2 way street. I call the distinction being money. Plenty of so called upper classes don't like the "New rich" but it's rich people who control the story. | |
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| War graves scandal on 22:29 - Apr 25 with 851 views | Kilkennyjack |
| War graves scandal on 18:23 - Apr 25 by onehunglow |
Indeed it was.De Valera also sent a message of condolence at Hitlers death.
And this is supposed to be a Celtic cousin country of ours. |
We can all sling mud.
What do you think of the war graves...? | |
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| War graves scandal on 07:42 - Apr 26 with 836 views | felixstowe_jack |
| War graves scandal on 22:29 - Apr 25 by Kilkennyjack |
We can all sling mud.
What do you think of the war graves...? |
All he can come up with is 90 year old photograph of children playing. I bet killy never played war games or cowboys and Indians when he was a child.
Come of killy what about the graves of the IRA murder victims?
What about Russia supplying the IRA with money and Guns?
What about Russia supplying semtex via it's puppet states to blow up women, children and horse?
Please answer some questions. | |
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| War graves scandal on 08:20 - Apr 26 with 827 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 07:42 - Apr 26 by felixstowe_jack |
All he can come up with is 90 year old photograph of children playing. I bet killy never played war games or cowboys and Indians when he was a child.
Come of killy what about the graves of the IRA murder victims?
What about Russia supplying the IRA with money and Guns?
What about Russia supplying semtex via it's puppet states to blow up women, children and horse?
Please answer some questions. |
Both the CCCP and Nazis supplied Ireland with the tool to kill British people.
Right wing and Left wing regime
Shows what filth Ireland has for history | |
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| War graves scandal on 08:25 - Apr 26 with 827 views | felixstowe_jack |
| War graves scandal on 08:20 - Apr 26 by onehunglow |
Both the CCCP and Nazis supplied Ireland with the tool to kill British people.
Right wing and Left wing regime
Shows what filth Ireland has for history |
Despite ROI anti British stance in the war the UK kept the ROI supplied with essential raw material like, oil, coal and iron ore, which don't exist in the Republic. This managed to keeps the lights on in the Republic and stopped their economy from crashing. | |
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| War graves scandal on 08:43 - Apr 26 with 824 views | onehunglow |
| War graves scandal on 08:25 - Apr 26 by felixstowe_jack |
Despite ROI anti British stance in the war the UK kept the ROI supplied with essential raw material like, oil, coal and iron ore, which don't exist in the Republic. This managed to keeps the lights on in the Republic and stopped their economy from crashing. |
Show how magnanimous we are Felix a a nation.
We have a long line of faults but generally compassion isnt something we lack.
I wonder how the ROI is helping India. | |
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| War graves scandal on 10:12 - Apr 26 with 812 views | Catullus |
| War graves scandal on 07:42 - Apr 26 by felixstowe_jack |
All he can come up with is 90 year old photograph of children playing. I bet killy never played war games or cowboys and Indians when he was a child.
Come of killy what about the graves of the IRA murder victims?
What about Russia supplying the IRA with money and Guns?
What about Russia supplying semtex via it's puppet states to blow up women, children and horse?
Please answer some questions. |
That tweet he shared isn't even right, Edward didn't abdicate because of Hitler, though his links to him were regarded very suspiciously. He abdicated so he could marry Wallis-Simpson.
Kilky in sharing misinformation scandal, again!
You should go into politics Kilky. You and Bojo could be best friends. | |
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| War graves scandal on 10:33 - Apr 26 with 810 views | Lohengrin |
| War graves scandal on 11:14 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
It is a scandal and this country never deserved the faith of other countries we indoctrinated in to our alleged better way of thinking.
However, the media due love a govt apology now and then.
We are one of a very few countries to admit our past mistakes, even if we don't really mean it.
Italy aren’t fans of apologies, even after what Mussolini ordered in Libya they stay relatively silent.
The deaths by firing squads, bombardment and mustard gas pre ww2 was horrendous. Even Hitler wasn’t happy with that. |
I’ve only just noticed this thread so I’ll chip in and shed a bit of light on what it is they’re talking about. Theses aren’t ‘the war dead’ as we usually think of them, they hadn’t succumbed to wounds, they had fallen victim for the most part to Spanish Flu, malaria and the like.
The Native Labour Corps were recruited en masse but not in anything like the way county battalions were here or in the Dominions. These were the field-bearers of the East African campaign, the stevedores of colonial docks and the Chinamen shipped to Europe to lay sleepers for the vast network of railways constructed to supply the Somme and Ypres fronts.
Manual labourers mostly, if not wholly illiterate. Often without a word of English it’s doubtful such records as exist reveal who or even how many of them there were. You can just imagine long lines of volunteers being inspected by a Divisional MO:
‘Stick your tongue out. Right-o, cough please.
A strong lad, Sergeant. Wave him through.’
And that would have been that. For properly constituted military units such as the Indian Division the records were meticulous and the commemorations elaborate. I’ve seen the Indian memorial at Neuve Chappelle and it’s beautiful.
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