| Cooper on Strikers 14:19 - Apr 29 with 5160 views | 34dfgdf54 |
<<Everyone knows we haven’t had a striker all season. We had to find a way to get goals and to win games. We’ve done that this year enough to keep us in this play-off hunt. >>
Yes you have Steve.
Ayew - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/andre-ayew/profil/spieler/45403
The highest paid striker in league
Lowe - Who you brought in to be a striker. You said yourself. - “He’s been a winger and we’ve brought him in with a certain idea to build him."
Vik Gyokeres - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/54375512
Whittaker - Expensive
Cullen - U23 goal machine. Decent goalscoring ratio at senior level too. [Post edited 29 Apr 2021 14:20]
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| Cooper on Strikers on 11:10 - Apr 30 with 917 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 10:49 - Apr 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
*Ayew is a centre forward, always has been really other than a few cameos elsewhere.
>>>>>> (He has been a forward, he isn't a center forward but has played there). <<<<<<
*Lowe, whether he was a winger or not, was brought in to play as a striker, Cooper said that himself when he spoke to Lowe before him signing on the dotted line.
>>>>> (If Kasper Schmeichel was brought in to be a striker, he still wouldn't be one. He is a work in progress). <<<<<<<
*Whittaker, as Jasper said has always played striker in age grade, but if you think he is a winger, then fair enough.
>>>>>>>(Where did I say he is a winger?)<<<<<<<<
*Morris - Centre Forward
>>>>> (A striker in his off season who featured in all but 1 games he was here, we won all but one league game prior to his injury, a draw with 10 men against Brentford). <<<<<<
*Cullen - Centre Forward
>>>>>> (Yep, thankfully he's now fit). <<<<<<
*Gyokeres - Cooper tracked him, pursued him all summer. Got his man, and said himself when he signed "centre forward"
>>>>> (Tracking someone doesn't mean they will work out. He wasn't very good, so didn't. However while he was here we were getting joy from our makeshift strikers Ayew and Lowe) <<<<<<<<
*Naughton, whether you think he is a centre half or not, is completely irrelevant, our manager believes he is, and that's where has has played him, said himself again when Naughton extended stay.
>>>> (Nothing to do with what I think, he isn't a CB, he's a right back that can player there. Big difference.) <<<<<
Coopers comments are wrong.
>>>>> (I think he's correct) <<<<<< |
- He's a centre forward.
- Yes, because a goalkeeper convering to a winger is the same thing.
- Good on you for not saying it then, as he's a striker.
- A centre forward, which we have had, "not had one all season" though.
- Yes he's fit, centre forward, "not had one all season" though
- Yes poor player, poor recruitment by Cooper. But centre forward "not had one all season" though.
- Cooper "right-back and right centre-back,". Direct quotes. Fair enough that's your opinion he's not, Cooper disagrees though.
- Well he's obviously not correct is he. You have just quoted 3 centre forwards in your post Morris, Gyokeres, Cullen. We disagree on Ayew and Lowe not being centre forwards. Same with Naughton, what we think about Lowe is irrelevant, Cooper brought him in, to play up front, and to be in starting XI | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 11:23 - Apr 30 with 888 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cooper on Strikers on 11:10 - Apr 30 by 34dfgdf54 |
- He's a centre forward.
- Yes, because a goalkeeper convering to a winger is the same thing.
- Good on you for not saying it then, as he's a striker.
- A centre forward, which we have had, "not had one all season" though.
- Yes he's fit, centre forward, "not had one all season" though
- Yes poor player, poor recruitment by Cooper. But centre forward "not had one all season" though.
- Cooper "right-back and right centre-back,". Direct quotes. Fair enough that's your opinion he's not, Cooper disagrees though.
- Well he's obviously not correct is he. You have just quoted 3 centre forwards in your post Morris, Gyokeres, Cullen. We disagree on Ayew and Lowe not being centre forwards. Same with Naughton, what we think about Lowe is irrelevant, Cooper brought him in, to play up front, and to be in starting XI |
- I think he is clearly a forward, not a striker. I am sure he would agree.
- It is the same thing in the sense that we are taking a player and trying to convert him to a striker. Doesn't mean he is one. The only difference being there is more chance for Lowe to succeed, but that isn't the discussion.
- Of course, no idea why you alluded to the fact I did. But he was not brought in to play this season.
- Yes he is, a very inexperienced one with injury problems this season. Looks a good prospect, but one that wouldn't be near a starting spot for any of our rivals. He is a prospect.
- You selectively use Coopers quotes, you state he is wrong for ones you don't like. Naughton is not a CB, he just plays there when called upon. His shortcomings in the position are clear as it is not a natural one for him.
- Yes he is correct. You are taking his comments literally, he is obviously alluding to the fact we have not has a striker of sufficient experience and quality to be a starting striker for a Championship team who many think should be chasing top 2. We have inexperienced youths with barely any games under their belts, inured loan players and players that are wingers or wide forwards.
We have not had an out and out striker that we can rely upon all season. |  |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 14:46 - Apr 30 with 869 views | jack247 |
I’ve got a degree of sympathy in that certain players, in my view, (Lowe and Whittaker) were brought in with an eye on resale value as we got them bargain basement due to their previous clubs finances. That’s the kind of player that could potentially be brought in over a managers head.
We’ve practically been without Gibbs-White and Morris all season, which he wouldn’t have expected. Not strikers, but certainly would have helped with the goal tally.
At the same time, we brought in 11/12 players over the course of the season, only Gyokores, who was reportedly Coopers choice, was an out and out striker. It’s not as if he would have had no say on signings.
Cullen quite evidently is a striker. I doubt he’s much better now that he was at the start of the season and Cooper more or less ignored him until January.
That aside, I don’t know the context, he may have been asked a leading question, but in isolation it seems quite defeatist. We don’t need ‘look how well we’ve done to get here’ type quotes now. Save those for if we don’t win the playoffs. |  | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 18:27 - Apr 30 with 850 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:36 - Apr 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
Agree with the comments above.
Ayew is a forward, not a striker. Bale has played as a striker for his club and country at times too, but he’s not one. Other teams loving to Ayew him is not an argument for it being his correct position either, I’m sure lots of teams would love Lowe as their striker, but he is still a winger converted to be one due to the needs of the team, he’s a work in progress that has been relatively successful. But the fact he isn’t a natural striker often shows itself to be the case with some of his finishing an decision making.
Whittaker was bought as a cheap option taking advantage of Derby’s predicament and an investment for the future. Gyokeres was (and is rubbish), Morris was injured after 5 league games leaving Cullen who was injured for 3 months.. but very much a part of our team now.
I concur with Cooper that we haven’t really had an out and out striker all season of sufficient standard. We have had a gaggle of players that can play there, it’s the Naughton at CB debate. I back our owners as I know we could have so much worse, but they have failed to recruit the required players at times, striker being the obvious one this season.
We have done extremely well to make do. [Post edited 30 Apr 2021 9:48]
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Brewster isn't a striker either.... (according to his Sheff United stats and according to how Cooper would change the narrative if he had him there)
Basically it's all a load of guff designed to pull the wool over the terminally gullible and the ex pats in Oz. |  | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 19:04 - Apr 30 with 842 views | 9MilesHigh |
Did anyone answer me? Did I even ask it on here, I don't know?!
But when was the last time the Swans had 2 Forwards/Strikers/Number9's/Attacking players with 30 between them in a season?
Should blow this Cooper guff out of the window! | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 19:19 - Apr 30 with 832 views | Dr_Winston |
Imagine how many they might have had if we didn't play such a dull, cautious brand of football. |  |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 08:32 - May 1 with 795 views | dantheswansman |
If you think any of the names you mention besides Cullen are strikers then you're even more clueless than Cooper |  | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 08:49 - May 1 with 773 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cooper on Strikers on 08:32 - May 1 by dantheswansman |
If you think any of the names you mention besides Cullen are strikers then you're even more clueless than Cooper |
Don't confuse them, they are trying to be angry and edgy.... | |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 14:29 - May 1 with 741 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 08:32 - May 1 by dantheswansman |
If you think any of the names you mention besides Cullen are strikers then you're even more clueless than Cooper |
If you don’t think Ayew is a striker then it’s more than clueless. It’s simply being thick. | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:41 - May 2 with 700 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cooper on Strikers on 14:29 - May 1 by 34dfgdf54 |
If you don’t think Ayew is a striker then it’s more than clueless. It’s simply being thick. |
Everyone knows Cooper means an out and out 6ft plus centre forward who can act as a target man, hold the ball up, get into the box to score 30 plus goals. All the others tend to be number 10s or wide men who play off a good centre forward.
It is our board who failed to recruit one not Cooper. | |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 09:43 - May 2 with 696 views | Dr_Winston |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:41 - May 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Everyone knows Cooper means an out and out 6ft plus centre forward who can act as a target man, hold the ball up, get into the box to score 30 plus goals. All the others tend to be number 10s or wide men who play off a good centre forward.
It is our board who failed to recruit one not Cooper. |
Thankfully Cooper didn't get the targetman you describe. We've been direct enough this season as it is.
Besides, everyone knows Cooper meant the kid he'd previously managed for England u17's. He didn't get the one he wanted, so nothing else was going to be adequate for him. | |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 09:53 - May 2 with 685 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:41 - May 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Everyone knows Cooper means an out and out 6ft plus centre forward who can act as a target man, hold the ball up, get into the box to score 30 plus goals. All the others tend to be number 10s or wide men who play off a good centre forward.
It is our board who failed to recruit one not Cooper. |
Not necessarily height but someone physical enough to hold the ball and bring the midfield into play.
This season there has been a clear disconnect between strikers and midfielders because the ball isn't sticking. It's a large part of the reason that possession has been down. | |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 09:56 - May 2 with 688 views | monmouth |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:41 - May 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Everyone knows Cooper means an out and out 6ft plus centre forward who can act as a target man, hold the ball up, get into the box to score 30 plus goals. All the others tend to be number 10s or wide men who play off a good centre forward.
It is our board who failed to recruit one not Cooper. |
30 goals a season? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Who would that be then? And doing that after chasing wild hoofs all game.
Brewster was nothing like you describe, and that’s what Cooper wanted or, as DrW says, another of his U17s coached by someone who can coach an attacking player.
That said, with Brewster or Abraham here again, we might have been a different kettle of bananas. With the player you describe, we’d have been even more anti football and short term in our style of play.
Anyway we have what we have so let’s hope we can luck our way through three more games, or actually try and build on the Millwall and Wednesday games and play some football like a team aspiring to the PL. |  |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 10:19 - May 2 with 681 views | jasper_T |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:56 - May 2 by monmouth |
30 goals a season? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Who would that be then? And doing that after chasing wild hoofs all game.
Brewster was nothing like you describe, and that’s what Cooper wanted or, as DrW says, another of his U17s coached by someone who can coach an attacking player.
That said, with Brewster or Abraham here again, we might have been a different kettle of bananas. With the player you describe, we’d have been even more anti football and short term in our style of play.
Anyway we have what we have so let’s hope we can luck our way through three more games, or actually try and build on the Millwall and Wednesday games and play some football like a team aspiring to the PL. |
It's not like we were a great side with Brewster. 2 wins in 11 games after he arrived last season. We've been better this season with a 9 like Lowe who offers an all-around contribution.
Despite the moaning about how hard done by we are up front, only Norwich, Bournemouth and ourselves have two players in the top ten league goalscorers so far this season. Brentford have the only 30 goal striker but their nearest supporting act is on 8. Barnsley's Woodrow and Dike are on 11 and 9 respectively (the latter would likely be up there given a full season though). Given how poor we've been creatively for much of the season our strikers have lived up to the label very well, "proper" or not. | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 08:49 - May 3 with 614 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:41 - May 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Everyone knows Cooper means an out and out 6ft plus centre forward who can act as a target man, hold the ball up, get into the box to score 30 plus goals. All the others tend to be number 10s or wide men who play off a good centre forward.
It is our board who failed to recruit one not Cooper. |
There’s one striker in the league that has scored 30 goals 
He’s had centre forwards all season. One is the highest paid player in league and our best player, the other was a guy from Brighton he tracked all summer, he identified him and he ended up being rubbish. Whose fault is that? He also has Cullen who is an academy graduate who has a good scoring record and more than capable back up.
That’s not including Lowe who was brought in to play up front, we decided to bring him in and convert to striker, and he was expected to perform straight away looking at the fee, which in fairness he has done. | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:46 - May 3 with 607 views | builthjack |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:41 - May 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Everyone knows Cooper means an out and out 6ft plus centre forward who can act as a target man, hold the ball up, get into the box to score 30 plus goals. All the others tend to be number 10s or wide men who play off a good centre forward.
It is our board who failed to recruit one not Cooper. |
Cooper wanted Moore.
Too much money for our owners. |  |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 09:59 - May 3 with 603 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:46 - May 3 by builthjack |
Cooper wanted Moore.
Too much money for our owners. |
Cooper wanted Keiffer Moore?? | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 10:58 - May 3 with 571 views | jack247 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 10:24 - May 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
A center forward is someone who operates in front of the second striker or forward.
There is no way on earth Ayew is a center forward, he would be the forward or second striker.
Again, being able to play there and being one aren't the same thing.
Also buying someone to play up front also doesn't mean they are a striker or indeed the finished article. He was bought to be molded into the position for long term benefit. He is a work in progress, as is Whittaker.
Cullen is a good little player and a wonderful prospect but again not a center forward that can lead a line. He is someone who would play in a 2 and play on the shoulder of a defender, in fact he does that extremely well. [Post edited 3 May 2021 10:25]
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Cooper never said centre forward as far as I’m aware, he said striker. Cullen is already a capable striker.
If he meant we didn’t have a Kiefer Moore type, or anyone capable of doing the job Bony did and the likes of Gomis and Abraham were perhaps unfairly expected to do, then he’s right.
Gyokores fits the first category, but he’s the only one and he wasn’t good enough.
Completely agree that striker is not Ayews best position. However that doesn’t make him being better at it than most Championship centre forwards a moot point. It just means we’d have a good
striker at our disposal but we’d lose him on the right or as a #10 | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 11:17 - May 3 with 558 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 10:58 - May 3 by jack247 |
Cooper never said centre forward as far as I’m aware, he said striker. Cullen is already a capable striker.
If he meant we didn’t have a Kiefer Moore type, or anyone capable of doing the job Bony did and the likes of Gomis and Abraham were perhaps unfairly expected to do, then he’s right.
Gyokores fits the first category, but he’s the only one and he wasn’t good enough.
Completely agree that striker is not Ayews best position. However that doesn’t make him being better at it than most Championship centre forwards a moot point. It just means we’d have a good
striker at our disposal but we’d lose him on the right or as a #10 |
The third paragraph. I agree, Cooper tracked him and signed him and it was a shocker. He then uses the blame game in press saying we haven’t had a striker all season, and caused friction between himself and board immediately after the window shut in Feb. | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 11:19 - May 3 with 555 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cooper on Strikers on 10:58 - May 3 by jack247 |
Cooper never said centre forward as far as I’m aware, he said striker. Cullen is already a capable striker.
If he meant we didn’t have a Kiefer Moore type, or anyone capable of doing the job Bony did and the likes of Gomis and Abraham were perhaps unfairly expected to do, then he’s right.
Gyokores fits the first category, but he’s the only one and he wasn’t good enough.
Completely agree that striker is not Ayews best position. However that doesn’t make him being better at it than most Championship centre forwards a moot point. It just means we’d have a good
striker at our disposal but we’d lose him on the right or as a #10 |
I was responding to:-
''He’s had centre forwards all season. One is the highest paid player in league and our best player.''
As for Cooper's comments, It's clear he means someone capable of leading the line for a Championship side pushing for promotion.
As I have said before, and it shows on the various patterns of play statistics I have, there is a clear disconnect between attack and midfield. That is because the ball doesn't stick up front, our action zones are not very high in our last 3rd for a team in our position.
So while Ayew and Lowe are very good players, they aren't natural strikers. They can finish at times, especially Ayew - but the job of a striker is to run the channels, hold the ball up and bring others into play too. Both do it ok, but nowhere near well enough.
The rest are prospects and wouldn't be near the starting striker berth at any of our rivals.. and shouldn't be for us either, both should have the luxury and freedom to grow into themselves and not be thrown in the deep end with all that pressure on them. They are very inexperienced.
He had Gyokeres on loan, but he was rubbish and may as well not have been here as a result. That happens in football, some go for you, some don't. But Cooper has runs on the board when it comes to signings so we can't have too many complaints when it comes to recruitment, its not realistic to expect every one to work. [Post edited 3 May 2021 11:23]
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| Cooper on Strikers on 12:59 - May 3 with 537 views | jack247 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 11:19 - May 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
I was responding to:-
''He’s had centre forwards all season. One is the highest paid player in league and our best player.''
As for Cooper's comments, It's clear he means someone capable of leading the line for a Championship side pushing for promotion.
As I have said before, and it shows on the various patterns of play statistics I have, there is a clear disconnect between attack and midfield. That is because the ball doesn't stick up front, our action zones are not very high in our last 3rd for a team in our position.
So while Ayew and Lowe are very good players, they aren't natural strikers. They can finish at times, especially Ayew - but the job of a striker is to run the channels, hold the ball up and bring others into play too. Both do it ok, but nowhere near well enough.
The rest are prospects and wouldn't be near the starting striker berth at any of our rivals.. and shouldn't be for us either, both should have the luxury and freedom to grow into themselves and not be thrown in the deep end with all that pressure on them. They are very inexperienced.
He had Gyokeres on loan, but he was rubbish and may as well not have been here as a result. That happens in football, some go for you, some don't. But Cooper has runs on the board when it comes to signings so we can't have too many complaints when it comes to recruitment, its not realistic to expect every one to work. [Post edited 3 May 2021 11:23]
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Fair enough. I’d agree we’ve only had one centre forward this season and he was a loan that just didn’t work out. I don’t agree with Coopers assertion that we have done it without strikers.
There is definitely a disconnect between attack and midfield. You don’t necessarily need a target man to make the ball stick though. We did it fine in the two games he played Ayew, Routledge and Lowe, with the first two interchanging positions and dropping deeper to link with midfield. We also managed pretty well in the Rodgers promotion season with Borini, who isn’t a million miles from Cullen in terms of style, up front for the second half of it.
Centre forwards who can hold the ball up on their own, work the channels and also weigh in with their share of goals are rare for teams on a limited budget. I’m sure Brentford (if they don’t go up) and Cardiff will be losing theirs this summer. | | | |
| Cooper on Strikers on 13:13 - May 3 with 529 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cooper on Strikers on 12:59 - May 3 by jack247 |
Fair enough. I’d agree we’ve only had one centre forward this season and he was a loan that just didn’t work out. I don’t agree with Coopers assertion that we have done it without strikers.
There is definitely a disconnect between attack and midfield. You don’t necessarily need a target man to make the ball stick though. We did it fine in the two games he played Ayew, Routledge and Lowe, with the first two interchanging positions and dropping deeper to link with midfield. We also managed pretty well in the Rodgers promotion season with Borini, who isn’t a million miles from Cullen in terms of style, up front for the second half of it.
Centre forwards who can hold the ball up on their own, work the channels and also weigh in with their share of goals are rare for teams on a limited budget. I’m sure Brentford (if they don’t go up) and Cardiff will be losing theirs this summer. |
Cullen and Borini are similar in stature. but Cullen is far less of a back to goal type striker which tends to bring in the midfield to attacks - Sinclair and Dobbie both benefited from Borini's back to goal play.
Cullen is an old fashioned 2 man up front type striker. You can see him physically waiting on the shoulder of the last defender waiting for balls to be threaded through to him. He really would thrive in a 4-4-2. He is a high energy defend from the front type of striker, similar to Bellamy's role under Mark Hughes, but Cullen has no Hartson type player to feed off..
You can often see Cullen throwing his arms in the air frustrated that his pressing game isn't being matched by the midfielders when high up the field and the traps he creates therefore aren't being seized upon. Often justified frustration too, he's a very 'football smart' player, but again probably would struggle in a 1 up front formation. Time will tell. | |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 13:18 - May 3 with 527 views | builthjack |
| Cooper on Strikers on 09:59 - May 3 by 34dfgdf54 |
Cooper wanted Keiffer Moore?? |
He did. He wasn't backed. | |
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| Cooper on Strikers on 15:37 - May 3 with 490 views | jack247 |
| Cooper on Strikers on 13:13 - May 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Cullen and Borini are similar in stature. but Cullen is far less of a back to goal type striker which tends to bring in the midfield to attacks - Sinclair and Dobbie both benefited from Borini's back to goal play.
Cullen is an old fashioned 2 man up front type striker. You can see him physically waiting on the shoulder of the last defender waiting for balls to be threaded through to him. He really would thrive in a 4-4-2. He is a high energy defend from the front type of striker, similar to Bellamy's role under Mark Hughes, but Cullen has no Hartson type player to feed off..
You can often see Cullen throwing his arms in the air frustrated that his pressing game isn't being matched by the midfielders when high up the field and the traps he creates therefore aren't being seized upon. Often justified frustration too, he's a very 'football smart' player, but again probably would struggle in a 1 up front formation. Time will tell. |
Borini wasn’t either. He’d bring others into play yes, we had a more dynamic midfield at that point too, but you’d hardly say that playing back to goal was one of his main attributes.
It may come back into fashion at some point, but traditional 442 is near enough obsolete. Young strikers will be brought up to be more adaptable than buzzing around a big man and looking to get on the end of his knockdowns. If that’s all Cullen was, he wouldn’t have made it.
He looks fine in the centre of a three. He’s not going to our jump or out muscle big centre backs, but he’s more than capable of getting on the end of crosses. His work rate is good, he’ll niggle defenders and I agree, his movement and positioning is sharp. | | | |
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