| The Election Turnout 09:42 - May 8 with 1700 views | YrAlarch |
I know that this subject has been touched upon on other posts but I thought I would start a completely new thread. Whichever way you may have voted it must be of concern that so few, less than 50%, actually voted. There may be a number of reasons why people have not exercised their democratic privilege but I wonder how many people who complain about Government policies/actions actually did vote. Is the time right to make voting compulsory, as is the case in some other countries? |  | | |  |
| The Election Turnout on 09:46 - May 8 with 1070 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Lowest turnout was in Swansea East, a pathetic 35%.
Politicians aren’t inspiring people at all. Nothing’s going to change so what’s the point seems to be the prevailing view. |  |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 10:26 - May 8 with 1000 views | Catullus |
The WOL was sayingthey expected a really good turnout because there were long queues at polling stations. Then the number turns out to be 46.6 percent. Labour getting roughly 420,000 of a possible 2.32 million votes.
There we have it then, we will be governed by people who got 20% of the possible vote. Remember when people moan about being run by a tory government we never vote for yet in the 2019 General election the Tories got 557,000 votes.
Voting should be compulsory. | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 10:44 - May 8 with 968 views | trampie |
I don't think voting should be compulsory, people with no interest, might end up skewing the result for a different choice to people who do take an interest. |  |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:23 - May 8 with 966 views | Lohengrin |
| The Election Turnout on 09:46 - May 8 by Joe_bradshaw |
Lowest turnout was in Swansea East, a pathetic 35%.
Politicians aren’t inspiring people at all. Nothing’s going to change so what’s the point seems to be the prevailing view. |
I raised the question of apathy on the independence thread, Joe. Raising the probability that turnout was on a downward trajectory. Just taking the people I work with as a representative sample there’s the widespread conviction there that nobody speaks either to or for them and that they themselves have no agency whatsoever.
There was a phrase coined in the ‘70s in different circumstances - ‘the democratic deficit.’ That serves as a pretty solid descriptor for what I’m talking about. |  |
| An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it. |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:24 - May 8 with 964 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The Election Turnout on 09:46 - May 8 by Joe_bradshaw |
Lowest turnout was in Swansea East, a pathetic 35%.
Politicians aren’t inspiring people at all. Nothing’s going to change so what’s the point seems to be the prevailing view. |
Not surprised at low turn out in Swansea East. Their Senedd representative has even less charisma than Drakeford.
The Welsh voting public clearly believe that the UK General Election, with a 67% turn out in Wales, is far more important. | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:28 - May 8 with 952 views | onehunglow |
| The Election Turnout on 11:23 - May 8 by Lohengrin |
I raised the question of apathy on the independence thread, Joe. Raising the probability that turnout was on a downward trajectory. Just taking the people I work with as a representative sample there’s the widespread conviction there that nobody speaks either to or for them and that they themselves have no agency whatsoever.
There was a phrase coined in the ‘70s in different circumstances - ‘the democratic deficit.’ That serves as a pretty solid descriptor for what I’m talking about. |
Loh.
It is because Labour no longer represents that who they purport to represent.
Conservative traditional appeal to small businesses as well as big .
We simply have to break free or die in the apathy of it all.
Most people want better .
Tories have promised but rarely delivered and Labour simply does not know what it wants.It can rely on South Wales,Liverpool and a few inner city sink holes where the hate tradition is strong.
I have abject contempt for the parties and for the electorate as a whole,a seething mass of ignorance and cynicism | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:30 - May 8 with 953 views | 73__73 |
Make it compulsory ? What if you don’t support what’s on offer | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:32 - May 8 with 950 views | onehunglow |
| The Election Turnout on 11:30 - May 8 by 73__73 |
Make it compulsory ? What if you don’t support what’s on offer |
Compulsory.
Dear God.
Can you just imagine the kids even leaving their phones for a minute.
Cynical attempt by Labour to kid the young | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| The Election Turnout on 11:38 - May 8 with 938 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| The Election Turnout on 11:24 - May 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Not surprised at low turn out in Swansea East. Their Senedd representative has even less charisma than Drakeford.
The Welsh voting public clearly believe that the UK General Election, with a 67% turn out in Wales, is far more important. |
It is of course and that’s why any Welsh politician with any sense wants to be a Westminster MP rather than a member of the Senedd.
Even Plaid Cymru who had a disastrous result yesterday have, in Liz Saville-Roberts, someone who I may rarely agree with but she knocks spots of the useless Adam Price and the useless Leanne Wood by at least making coherent arguments and speaking well in the House of Commons. There’s no wonder the turnout was so low. Uninspiring politicians across all parties to choose from does that to an electorate. | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:42 - May 8 with 935 views | Lohengrin |
| The Election Turnout on 11:28 - May 8 by onehunglow |
Loh.
It is because Labour no longer represents that who they purport to represent.
Conservative traditional appeal to small businesses as well as big .
We simply have to break free or die in the apathy of it all.
Most people want better .
Tories have promised but rarely delivered and Labour simply does not know what it wants.It can rely on South Wales,Liverpool and a few inner city sink holes where the hate tradition is strong.
I have abject contempt for the parties and for the electorate as a whole,a seething mass of ignorance and cynicism |
It’s because the entire spectrum is perceived to be populated variously by liars, crooks, careerists and cranks.
A perception grounded in the observable. | |
| An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it. |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:55 - May 8 with 915 views | Catullus |
| The Election Turnout on 11:30 - May 8 by 73__73 |
Make it compulsory ? What if you don’t support what’s on offer |
Yes, make it compulsory but have a "none of the above" box so we can reject all of them! | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 11:55 - May 8 with 914 views | onehunglow |
| The Election Turnout on 11:42 - May 8 by Lohengrin |
It’s because the entire spectrum is perceived to be populated variously by liars, crooks, careerists and cranks.
A perception grounded in the observable. |
Beautifully succinct | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:03 - May 8 with 907 views | YrAlarch |
| The Election Turnout on 11:42 - May 8 by Lohengrin |
It’s because the entire spectrum is perceived to be populated variously by liars, crooks, careerists and cranks.
A perception grounded in the observable. |
Your cynicism and that of OHL are understandable. The problem is that if we all disappear into our shells then nothing can change and those liars, crooks, careerists and cranks will continue to dominate. There are honest, decent, moral, sincere politicians about. We just have to discover them, whatever party they belong to. | | | |
| The Election Turnout on 12:07 - May 8 with 897 views | onehunglow |
| The Election Turnout on 12:03 - May 8 by YrAlarch |
Your cynicism and that of OHL are understandable. The problem is that if we all disappear into our shells then nothing can change and those liars, crooks, careerists and cranks will continue to dominate. There are honest, decent, moral, sincere politicians about. We just have to discover them, whatever party they belong to. |
Very fair indeed Alarch.Im giving one (unarrow) | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:09 - May 8 with 880 views | trampie |
| The Election Turnout on 12:03 - May 8 by YrAlarch |
Your cynicism and that of OHL are understandable. The problem is that if we all disappear into our shells then nothing can change and those liars, crooks, careerists and cranks will continue to dominate. There are honest, decent, moral, sincere politicians about. We just have to discover them, whatever party they belong to. |
Leanne Wood. | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:13 - May 8 with 887 views | Lohengrin |
| The Election Turnout on 12:03 - May 8 by YrAlarch |
Your cynicism and that of OHL are understandable. The problem is that if we all disappear into our shells then nothing can change and those liars, crooks, careerists and cranks will continue to dominate. There are honest, decent, moral, sincere politicians about. We just have to discover them, whatever party they belong to. |
The solution to every problem exists. I don’t doubt that but a trawl through the existing parties is unlikely to prove a particularly fruitful one. | |
| An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it. |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:21 - May 8 with 876 views | 73__73 |
| The Election Turnout on 12:09 - May 8 by trampie |
Leanne Wood. |
Who 😂 | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:21 - May 8 with 876 views | Lohengrin |
| The Election Turnout on 12:09 - May 8 by trampie |
Leanne Wood. |
It’s nice to see you’ve retained a sense of humour after yesterday, Tramp.  | |
| An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it. |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:24 - May 8 with 873 views | union_jack |
| The Election Turnout on 10:44 - May 8 by trampie |
I don't think voting should be compulsory, people with no interest, might end up skewing the result for a different choice to people who do take an interest. |
What you really mean us that those who are more apathetic about voting are likely to vot to maintain the status quo. Those who want change probably did vote and we all saw the results with our own eyes. Not good eh Tramps!
I'm all for compulsory voting! |  |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:31 - May 8 with 858 views | Catullus |
| The Election Turnout on 12:03 - May 8 by YrAlarch |
Your cynicism and that of OHL are understandable. The problem is that if we all disappear into our shells then nothing can change and those liars, crooks, careerists and cranks will continue to dominate. There are honest, decent, moral, sincere politicians about. We just have to discover them, whatever party they belong to. |
Or maybe the problem is also that many of us feel our only choices are the insanely useless or the corrupt?
Honest politicians do not often rise very far. Look at Bojo's cabinet, anyone who dared disagree with him is ejected, anyone who isn't prepared to follow his lead and lie, decieve and mislead, is out. So we end up with people like Matt Hancock, Raab, Patel, and on the Andrew Marr show last Sunday Liz Truss was furiosly trying to answer questions in such a way as not to incriminate Bojo.
Of them all Sunak looks like the only decent one, but is he decent? | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 12:43 - May 8 with 850 views | YrAlarch |
| The Election Turnout on 12:31 - May 8 by Catullus |
Or maybe the problem is also that many of us feel our only choices are the insanely useless or the corrupt?
Honest politicians do not often rise very far. Look at Bojo's cabinet, anyone who dared disagree with him is ejected, anyone who isn't prepared to follow his lead and lie, decieve and mislead, is out. So we end up with people like Matt Hancock, Raab, Patel, and on the Andrew Marr show last Sunday Liz Truss was furiosly trying to answer questions in such a way as not to incriminate Bojo.
Of them all Sunak looks like the only decent one, but is he decent? |
I suppose it could be argued that the problem lies with our whole system of government. perhaps we are not so democratic as we like to believe. Those who argue that our votes count for nothing give a truth to that. | | | |
| The Election Turnout on 12:44 - May 8 with 850 views | LittleEnglandJack |
I don't buy the 'there were no politicians that inspired them' line. None of them inspired me either, but I still voted because I was treating it as a referendum on the Welsh Government's Covid response.
Surely everyone has an opinion on that, since it has been part of everyday life for over a year. Approve- vote Welsh Labour. Disapprove- vote for who you think is best placed to beat them.
Really disheartening that over half of voters don't seem to have an opinion either way. | | | |
| The Election Turnout on 12:53 - May 8 with 838 views | Catullus |
| The Election Turnout on 12:44 - May 8 by LittleEnglandJack |
I don't buy the 'there were no politicians that inspired them' line. None of them inspired me either, but I still voted because I was treating it as a referendum on the Welsh Government's Covid response.
Surely everyone has an opinion on that, since it has been part of everyday life for over a year. Approve- vote Welsh Labour. Disapprove- vote for who you think is best placed to beat them.
Really disheartening that over half of voters don't seem to have an opinion either way. |
It couldnt be just about the pandemic though. If it was it would only be a yes or no for Labour, we can't judge the parties not in power on that basis.
No, I looked at the last 22 years and saw a gradual decline, lengthening waiting lists even before the pandemic, worsening education and with this new curriculum coming in, a possible education disaster, lack of investment in most of Wales. | |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 13:37 - May 8 with 805 views | max936 |
| The Election Turnout on 10:26 - May 8 by Catullus |
The WOL was sayingthey expected a really good turnout because there were long queues at polling stations. Then the number turns out to be 46.6 percent. Labour getting roughly 420,000 of a possible 2.32 million votes.
There we have it then, we will be governed by people who got 20% of the possible vote. Remember when people moan about being run by a tory government we never vote for yet in the 2019 General election the Tories got 557,000 votes.
Voting should be compulsory. |
"Voting should be compulsory"
Disagree, I appreciate that people fought for our right to vote, but if people have little interest or have no faith in any party, they should be allowed to abstain from voting, I honestly can't remember the last time I did, My Bad. |  |
| |
| The Election Turnout on 17:14 - May 8 with 775 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The Election Turnout on 11:28 - May 8 by onehunglow |
Loh.
It is because Labour no longer represents that who they purport to represent.
Conservative traditional appeal to small businesses as well as big .
We simply have to break free or die in the apathy of it all.
Most people want better .
Tories have promised but rarely delivered and Labour simply does not know what it wants.It can rely on South Wales,Liverpool and a few inner city sink holes where the hate tradition is strong.
I have abject contempt for the parties and for the electorate as a whole,a seething mass of ignorance and cynicism |
Who voted for Labour then ? |  |
| Beware of the Risen People
|
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
