| Farming deals post Brexit 08:52 - May 19 with 4783 views | Kilkennyjack |
Looks like trouble ahead .... Tory Govt split on Oz and NZ deals ...
Truss is just useless.
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 09:03 - May 19 with 2016 views | felixstowe_jack |
Great news that food prices will be lower. The EU CAP was a disaster for consumers it guaranteed huge subsidies particularly for the small inefficient French farmers. It led to the EU buying up are overproduction to keep prices artificially high. This policy led to huge milk lakes, butter mountains etc which had to be sold off or given away to places like Russia. It also led to thousands of miles of hedges being ripped up just so farmers could get more money. |  |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 11:46 - May 19 with 1976 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 09:03 - May 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Great news that food prices will be lower. The EU CAP was a disaster for consumers it guaranteed huge subsidies particularly for the small inefficient French farmers. It led to the EU buying up are overproduction to keep prices artificially high. This policy led to huge milk lakes, butter mountains etc which had to be sold off or given away to places like Russia. It also led to thousands of miles of hedges being ripped up just so farmers could get more money. |
I am sure you are right.
And, after all, the farmers have got the Brexit that they voted for ..... | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 13:10 - May 19 with 1935 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 11:46 - May 19 by Kilkennyjack |
I am sure you are right.
And, after all, the farmers have got the Brexit that they voted for ..... |
Our farmers will get payments to reduce environmental damage caused by the EU CAP. They will be paid to plant trees, reduce pollution, flood prevention and for higher animal welfare standards which the EU opposed. | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 13:30 - May 19 with 1929 views | builthjack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 13:10 - May 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Our farmers will get payments to reduce environmental damage caused by the EU CAP. They will be paid to plant trees, reduce pollution, flood prevention and for higher animal welfare standards which the EU opposed. |
They have been having those payments in Wales for many years |  |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 14:06 - May 19 with 1924 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 13:30 - May 19 by builthjack |
They have been having those payments in Wales for many years |
They have in the rest of the UK as well . They will be increased and payments based on acreage will be reduced. These payments tend to benefit rich landowners rather than Tennant farmers or small farms. | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 14:35 - May 19 with 1912 views | builthjack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 14:06 - May 19 by felixstowe_jack |
They have in the rest of the UK as well . They will be increased and payments based on acreage will be reduced. These payments tend to benefit rich landowners rather than Tennant farmers or small farms. |
The small boys suffer yes | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 21:38 - May 19 with 1874 views | Kilkennyjack |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 21:57 - May 19 with 1866 views | Rumjack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 21:38 - May 19 by Kilkennyjack |
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Nobody knows anything concrete about any deal therefore the idea that it will destroy farming is pure conjecture (or hope if you’ve already nailed your pro EU colours to the mast).
Secondly, farmers aren’t a singular cohort who all think the same and have the same reasons to vote a particular way. You have no idea why they voted but the post supposes it was due to sovereignty.
Whatever your views on brexit, farmers need support like any industry in the UK and sniping from the sidelines to win an internet war helps nobody. |  | | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:03 - May 19 with 1853 views | Flashberryjack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 13:10 - May 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Our farmers will get payments to reduce environmental damage caused by the EU CAP. They will be paid to plant trees, reduce pollution, flood prevention and for higher animal welfare standards which the EU opposed. |
Our farmers should be able compete with the Australian sheep farmers, the cost of transporting lamb halfway round the world isn't cheap. |  |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:14 - May 19 with 1834 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:03 - May 19 by Flashberryjack |
Our farmers should be able compete with the Australian sheep farmers, the cost of transporting lamb halfway round the world isn't cheap. |
Sheep will go BA. |  |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:52 - May 19 with 1814 views | majorraglan |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:03 - May 19 by Flashberryjack |
Our farmers should be able compete with the Australian sheep farmers, the cost of transporting lamb halfway round the world isn't cheap. |
Our farmers have no chance of competing, British lamb is a premium product and sells at twice the price of NZ lamb and about a third more than Aussie lamb, the price of moving huge quantities in a refrigerated ship is relatively cheap.
A deal will provide us with cheaper products, but it may well put a lot of our farmers out of business. The other side of the coin which needs to be factored in is if our food manufacturers start using products which differ from EU regulatory standards they won't be able to export to the EU. If we move away from EU standards we won’t be able to export, it’s as simple as that. Our shellfish industry has seen that. | | | |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:58 - May 19 with 1795 views | builthjack |
It looks like our Tory voting farmers are about to be shafted by Johnson & Co.
When will they ever learn ? | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 23:45 - May 19 with 1777 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:58 - May 19 by builthjack |
It looks like our Tory voting farmers are about to be shafted by Johnson & Co.
When will they ever learn ? |
Exactly my point.
The PM who does not care, you know, does not care .... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 23:55 - May 19 with 1770 views | Fireboy2 |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:58 - May 19 by builthjack |
It looks like our Tory voting farmers are about to be shafted by Johnson & Co.
When will they ever learn ? |
Well K if anyone should know its you with the amount of knowledge and experience of the farming industry you have acquired. |  | | |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 07:54 - May 20 with 1724 views | Kilkennyjack |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:01 - May 20 with 1721 views | Fireboy2 |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:58 - May 19 by builthjack |
It looks like our Tory voting farmers are about to be shafted by Johnson & Co.
When will they ever learn ? |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 08:07 - May 20 with 1709 views | onehunglow |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:58 - May 19 by builthjack |
It looks like our Tory voting farmers are about to be shafted by Johnson & Co.
When will they ever learn ? |
Yes,we need to ban the Tory party leaving just the Socialist party as the only one to vote for,at least for "ordinary people". Those with any wealth at all can simply suck it up.People like us only need the one choice.Innit.
Yes ,that' s entertainment. | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 08:34 - May 20 with 1700 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 22:52 - May 19 by majorraglan |
Our farmers have no chance of competing, British lamb is a premium product and sells at twice the price of NZ lamb and about a third more than Aussie lamb, the price of moving huge quantities in a refrigerated ship is relatively cheap.
A deal will provide us with cheaper products, but it may well put a lot of our farmers out of business. The other side of the coin which needs to be factored in is if our food manufacturers start using products which differ from EU regulatory standards they won't be able to export to the EU. If we move away from EU standards we won’t be able to export, it’s as simple as that. Our shellfish industry has seen that. |
Our shell fish are meeting exactly the same standards they met when we were in the EU. Just another example of the protectionist policies of the EU. | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 10:38 - May 20 with 1667 views | majorraglan |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 08:34 - May 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Our shell fish are meeting exactly the same standards they met when we were in the EU. Just another example of the protectionist policies of the EU. |
They are the same standard now as they were before, but when we were in the single market our products were treated in the same way as every other member countries products which meant we weren’t subject to any restrictions as they couldn’t discriminate against our goods. Now that we are outside the EU it's a different ball game. Our coastal waters are categorised as Class B on account of them not “clean enough” and the EU now apply the same standard to our products as they do to the shellfish products from the rest of the world, which is playing havoc with the shellfish industry.
Australia and New Zealand have different animal welfare regulations to the EU, if we start importing and our food manufacturers start using NZ lamb they won’t be able to export to the EU, end of. It is a protectionist policy, but our options are to comply with their standards or find alternative markets which won’t be easy when NZ and Aussie lamb is so much cheaper. | | | |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 10:40 - May 20 with 1667 views | Professor |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 14:35 - May 19 by builthjack |
The small boys suffer yes |
Yes-especially upland sheep and beef cattle farmers producing high quality, high welfare products. The changes in animal welfare, although welcome, are really headline grabbers and fundamentally do not address the loss of EU welfare and public health standards.
As said (by Major R), our farmers cannot compete with Australian sheep and cattle farming on price due to economy of scale and lower standards of welfare and husbandry.,Beef even more so where growth hormones are used and (like the US) grain fed feedlot systems are employed. These are essentially farming cattle in the way chickens were reared until single cages were banned. They are a good way to spread disease and in particular antimicrobial resistant Salmonella and E. coli. The EU were right to ban these under public health ground (which is about the only way you can).
This will all re-emerge with attempts to get a US trade deal. There are no standards for animal welfare in the US. Equally the CAP (which was appropriate in the 1950s) is not fit for purpose. But given we are only around 55% self sufficient in food, then we are at the mercy of importation.
Although we rear over a billion chickens in the UK each year, we import about the equivalent of another 400 million mainly in cooked/frozen product-Thailand and Brazil being the main source. Whilst almost all fresh chicken is UK produced, many products use the imported meat. Prior to the horsemeat scandal, Tesco was close to starting to sell fresh poultry sources from Thailand, as still cheaper than UK produced (although Thai standards are very good). This is being replicated in many sectors. Our lack of food security is a real concern and is a real threat .
As also posted this is not about points scoring. We really need to back UK farmers who have incredibly high standards and produce some of the highest quality meat and dairy in the world. Buying local or supporting high welfare and high quality suppliers is a great thing to do. Eat less meat, but eat better. | | | |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 11:16 - May 20 with 1653 views | controversial_jack |
The US also has a big problem with food poisoning etc, which we don't get so much of here.US products are not to the same standards as we get in Europe | | | |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 11:31 - May 20 with 1640 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
There's a load of media speculation here as usual, before the fact. | |
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| Farming deals post Brexit on 12:28 - May 20 with 1628 views | Professor |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 11:16 - May 20 by controversial_jack |
The US also has a big problem with food poisoning etc, which we don't get so much of here.US products are not to the same standards as we get in Europe |
Salmonella infections are more than five times higher in the US than UK. We reduced ours by 70% since the 1990s by controls in poultry production. | | | |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 12:48 - May 20 with 1619 views | Gwyn737 |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 10:38 - May 20 by majorraglan |
They are the same standard now as they were before, but when we were in the single market our products were treated in the same way as every other member countries products which meant we weren’t subject to any restrictions as they couldn’t discriminate against our goods. Now that we are outside the EU it's a different ball game. Our coastal waters are categorised as Class B on account of them not “clean enough” and the EU now apply the same standard to our products as they do to the shellfish products from the rest of the world, which is playing havoc with the shellfish industry.
Australia and New Zealand have different animal welfare regulations to the EU, if we start importing and our food manufacturers start using NZ lamb they won’t be able to export to the EU, end of. It is a protectionist policy, but our options are to comply with their standards or find alternative markets which won’t be easy when NZ and Aussie lamb is so much cheaper. |
This.
As a Penclawdd native I've seen the effect this is having.
There's a school of thought that says we should re-educate our tastes to eat what we produce. That would be difficult anyway but with cheap processed meat coming in from abroad even more so.
It going to be difficult for people championing cheap food post Brexit to complain about obesity and harmful health effects. Maybe they just won't see it. | | | |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 13:01 - May 20 with 1602 views | Professor |
| Farming deals post Brexit on 12:48 - May 20 by Gwyn737 |
This.
As a Penclawdd native I've seen the effect this is having.
There's a school of thought that says we should re-educate our tastes to eat what we produce. That would be difficult anyway but with cheap processed meat coming in from abroad even more so.
It going to be difficult for people championing cheap food post Brexit to complain about obesity and harmful health effects. Maybe they just won't see it. |
Problem is as well Gwyn, is we are at least 40% short in domestic supply. But we have lost the idea that we need to utilise food and especially meat products as much as possible. People expect a 'clean' product in nice packaging-no bones, skin or gristly bits. Offal is seen as an anathema by many. We had a meal outlast weekend-I had Ox Tongue. How often do you see that? | | | |
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