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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:02 - Aug 5 by A_Fans_Dad
OK, I am back on my computer now, so I have access to my data. I have obtained the Vaccination percentage for each age group from the Sky vaccine tracker here. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-vaccination-tracker-find-out-how-many-hav It is based on the 2019 population, so I have adjusted the population numbers to reflect the slight increase in population since then. The under 50s total is 29457391.89 The over 50s total is 23111695, of those 22315477 have had at least one vaccination. 796217 have not been vaccinated. 22315477 is 22.315477 million and 796217 is 0.7962179 million. Vaccinated deaths per million is 279/22 .315477 = 12.5/million Unvaccinated deaths per million is 131/0.7962179 = 164.5/million The difference is 152/million and as there are 0.7962179 million unvaccinated that would save 121 people.
However this analysis is still not correct because it does not take in to account that all of the 0.7962179 million unvaccinated could possibly eventually become infected. To calculate the effect of that I have to return to my old analysis where I calculated the Case Fatality Rate (CFR) to obtain the possible maximum number of deaths that could occur, which will depend on Co-Morbidities which we have no data for. The CFR/million for over 50s unvaccinated is 56,054, yes that many per million at the current rate of mortality. The CFR/million for the vaccinated is 14,783. The possible number of deaths for the unvaccinated could therefore be 56,054 x 0.7962179 million which is a massive 44,631. The possible number of deaths for the unvaccinated if they were all vaccinated could therefore be 14,783 x 0.7962179 million which is 11,770. Which would save 32,861 lives.
There is one minor problem that comes out of this analysis and that is that the Vaccinated are currently getting Covid and dying at a rate of 14,783/million and there are 22.3 million of them. If that were to continue due to loss of immunity as shown by the Israeli data it means there is still a potential for 365,636 deaths over the long term. This means that the vaccinated are going to have to be boosted to maintain their immunity against catching COVID, because they do not possess true Immunity as proved by the current cases and death rates. And COVID is not going away any time soon.
While I was looking for the period of the Delta data which is from the 1st of February 2021 to 19th July 2021 I found Table 4 where there were 150,436 cases of the Alpha variant with 1614 deaths which they give no vaccination data for at all.
But that is not the problem with the data that I bacame aware of, it is that the total for that period for all Variants comes to about 382,000 and 2074 deaths but the worldometers data shows for that period 1,646,767 and 22,018 Deaths so where is all the data for the other 1.2 million cases and 20,000 deaths?
They'd better get you a podium on Boris' right hand side for the next press conference. I can imagine you borrowing JVT's booster platform.
Next slide please.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:11 - Aug 5 with 993 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:06 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737
Cheers, that’s genuinely helpful.
One thing that I missed in the analysis is how many people already have natural immunity from having had COVID already. There are obviously quite a few with nearly 6 million cases in the UK.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 02:19 - Aug 6 with 941 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:07 - Aug 5 by A_Fans_Dad
One thing that I missed in the analysis is how many people already have natural immunity from having had COVID already. There are obviously quite a few with nearly 6 million cases in the UK.
And reduction in infection rate/transmission. If, As Imperial suggest it’s close to 50% then that gets you to JvT’s figure. The analysis once Infected in spot on.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 06:57 - Aug 6 with 924 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:07 - Aug 5 by A_Fans_Dad
One thing that I missed in the analysis is how many people already have natural immunity from having had COVID already. There are obviously quite a few with nearly 6 million cases in the UK.
6 million compared to 45 million is a small number plus a lot of those 6 million will have been vaccinated since they caught the virus. Still too many under 30s ending up in hospital have refused the vaccines. Daily reports of people dying after refusing the vaccine because they "read" something on social media instead of listening to scientific evidence. A sad an unnecessary loss of life.
Good to see CNN fire three unvaccinated workers who went to their office . CNN policy is that all its staff must be vaccinated. Just wish it was compulsory for all care home workers in the UK to be vaccinated as unvaccinated staff are still bringing the virus into care homes and infecting residents.
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:02 - Aug 6 by felixstowe_jack
Good to see CNN fire three unvaccinated workers who went to their office . CNN policy is that all its staff must be vaccinated. Just wish it was compulsory for all care home workers in the UK to be vaccinated as unvaccinated staff are still bringing the virus into care homes and infecting residents.
There are a lot of people, vaccinated or not carrying the virus at the moment.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 13:14 - Aug 6 with 849 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 07:28 - Aug 6 by Scotia
No. Think about it for a second.
Are the vaccines 100% effective? No, particularly in the most vulnerable.
Do the vaccines reduce transmission? Yes.
How do you reduce the risk as much as possible to the most vulnerable? Don't let the unvaccinated be in contact with the vulnerable.
You didn't learn that from Ivor Cummins diet book did you?
If they'd thought about ti they'd know yoy can't be "subliminally brainwashed" or every advert on tv would contain subliminal messages and we'd all be buying new cars every week, we'd all be believing the nonsense on social media (instead of the small number of the easily persuaded that do) and refusing the vaccine.
Only the weak willed and hard of thinking believe all the nonsense they see on those far right websites.
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 06:57 - Aug 6 by felixstowe_jack
6 million compared to 45 million is a small number plus a lot of those 6 million will have been vaccinated since they caught the virus. Still too many under 30s ending up in hospital have refused the vaccines. Daily reports of people dying after refusing the vaccine because they "read" something on social media instead of listening to scientific evidence. A sad an unnecessary loss of life.
You miss the point as the unvaccinated get COVID and recover they are therefore Immune and cannot possibly add to the spread or further hospitalisations or deaths.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 17:30 - Aug 7 with 729 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 14:19 - Aug 7 by A_Fans_Dad
You miss the point as the unvaccinated get COVID and recover they are therefore Immune and cannot possibly add to the spread or further hospitalisations or deaths.
They are not immune. Too many are ending up in hospital and spreading it to others. Vaccinations give better and longer lasting protection.
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 17:38 - Aug 7 by A_Fans_Dad
Please provide the data to back up your claim. Very, very few people have had COVID twice, whereas thousands of vaccinated are being infected with it.
6,000,000 unvaccinated people on the UK have caught it. How many doubled vaccinated have caught it and very few get serious infection.
Only 10% of adults are unvaccinated but they make up 50,% of hospitalisation s. They are therefore about 10 times more likely than the vaccinated to end up in hospital.
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 17:55 - Aug 7 by felixstowe_jack
6,000,000 unvaccinated people on the UK have caught it. How many doubled vaccinated have caught it and very few get serious infection.
Only 10% of adults are unvaccinated but they make up 50,% of hospitalisation s. They are therefore about 10 times more likely than the vaccinated to end up in hospital.
The data that you have provided proves nothing about people getting COVID twice. The data that the Government supply shows that since February 82,864 vaccinated people have tested positive for the Delta variant and 121,402 unvaccinated. Every single one of the 82,864 were most likely just as infectious as the unvaccinated based on American studies of viral loads of both.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:46 - Aug 7 with 681 views
His claims about COVID were proven wrong by the facts, He has a biochemistry background, but made irrational claims about "waves", most Viruses have shown the ability to have waves. His calculations for IFR were patently wrong, even I was much closer than him.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:59 - Aug 7 with 676 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:12 - Aug 4 by Scotia
No. Just check they know what they are talking about, or actually exist.
Talking of which you've had 36 hours to find out about Dr Mike Williams. Any joy captain Google?
Well, I am not sure why anyone would believe what current Scientists say or write, when their livelyhood depends on toeing the line ,that is what the vast majority do. Personally on the subject of Medicine I prefer Doctors, preferably those doctors that actually want to treat patients and make them better rather than sending them home while telling them to take some paracetemol until they get really ill and are taken to hospital with Pnuemonia. But I am wierd like that. So here are some doctors that are not anti-Vaccine, they are either anti-experimental COVID vaccines or pro-medicine. They all have major concerns with the COVID vacciens especially the mRNA ones. Associate Professor Michael Palmer MD, Department of Chemistry Dr. Bret Weinstein Evolutionary Theorist Dr. C Stephen Frost BSc MBChB Specialist in Diagnostic Radiology, Stockholm, Sweden (Medical Doctor) (United Kingdom and Sweden) Dr. Carrie Madej, DO is a Internal Medicine Specialist in McDonough, GA Dr. Francis Christian Canadian surgeon Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD Dr. Heather Heying Dr. Li Meng Yan Virologist Dr. Lissa Johnson, BSc BA(Media) MPsych(Clin) PhD, Clinical Psychologist Dr. Marc Wathelet Dr. Marc Wathelet Dr. Marco Chiesa MD FRCPsych, Consultant Psychiatrist and Visiting Professor, University College London (Medical Doctor) (United Kingdom and Italy) Dr. Margareta Griesz-Brisson MD PhD, Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson Pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole MD AFLDS PHYSICIAN Dr. Sam White Dr. Scott Jensen Dr. Tess Lawrie Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Dr. Yaffa Shir Raz Lecturer at IDC Herzliya International School Luc Montagnier French Virologist and Nobel Prize Winner Professor Eli Schwartz Director of the Center for Geographic Medicine at Sheba Medical Center in Tel-Hashomer Israel Professor Andreas Sönnichsen MD, Professor of General Practice and Family Medicine, Department of General Practice and Family Medicine, Center of Public Health, Medical University of Vienna, Vienna (Medical Doctor) (Austria) Professor Hector Carvallo Universidad de Buenos Aires | UBA · Department of Medicine Professor Karina Reiss PhD, Professor of Biochemistry, Christian Albrecht University of Kiel, Expertise in Cell Biology, Biochemistry (Scientist) (Germany) Professor Martin Haditsch MD PhD, Specialist (Austria) in Hygiene and Microbiology, Specialist (Germany) in Microbiology, Virology, Epidemiology/Infectious Diseases, Specialist (Austria) in Infectious Diseases and Tropical Medicine, Medical Director, TravelMedCenter, Leonding, Austria, Medical Director, Labor Hannover MVZ GmbH (Medical Doctor and Scientist) (Austria and Germany) Professor Stefan Hockertz, Professor of Toxicology and Pharmacologym, European registered Toxicologist, Specialist in Immunology and Immunotoxicology, CEO tpi consult GmbH. (Scientist) (Germany) Professor Ulrike Kämmerer PhD, Associate Professor of Experimental Reproductive Immunology and Tumor Biology at the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University Hospital of Würzburg, Germany, Trained molecular virologist (Diploma, PhD-Thesis) and Immunologist (Habilitation), Remains engaged in active laboratory research (Molecular Biology, Cell Biology (Scientist) (Germany)
Here are some who are Anti-vax, but they also contribute a great deal of research in the subject that should not necessarily be ignored just because they are. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
Here are some that are real conspiracy theorists on top, but again bring research to the table. Dr. Andrew Kaufman Dr. Christiane Northrup Dr. Dolores Cahil
And here is one who is not a doctor, she is an ex Pharma researcher who knows where and how to dig up interesting information that others struggle with.
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 14:19 - Aug 7 by A_Fans_Dad
You miss the point as the unvaccinated get COVID and recover they are therefore Immune and cannot possibly add to the spread or further hospitalisations or deaths.
Immunity from natural infection does not offer long term protection. There are relatively few infections that do. Hence the rubbish people say about you can’t have x or y twice. In this case immunity from infection is poorer than vaccination. This is pretty Clear
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 17:21 - Aug 8 with 591 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 14:07 - Aug 8 by A_Fans_Dad
Well, I am not sure why anyone would believe what current Scientists say or write, when their livelyhood depends on toeing the line ,that is what the vast majority do. Personally on the subject of Medicine I prefer Doctors, preferably those doctors that actually want to treat patients and make them better rather than sending them home while telling them to take some paracetemol until they get really ill and are taken to hospital with Pnuemonia. But I am wierd like that. So here are some doctors that are not anti-Vaccine, they are either anti-experimental COVID vaccines or pro-medicine. They all have major concerns with the COVID vacciens especially the mRNA ones. Associate Professor Michael Palmer MD, Department of Chemistry Dr. Bret Weinstein Evolutionary Theorist Dr. C Stephen Frost BSc MBChB Specialist in Diagnostic Radiology, Stockholm, Sweden (Medical Doctor) (United Kingdom and Sweden) Dr. Carrie Madej, DO is a Internal Medicine Specialist in McDonough, GA Dr. Francis Christian Canadian surgeon Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD Dr. Heather Heying Dr. Li Meng Yan Virologist Dr. Lissa Johnson, BSc BA(Media) MPsych(Clin) PhD, Clinical Psychologist Dr. Marc Wathelet Dr. Marc Wathelet Dr. Marco Chiesa MD FRCPsych, Consultant Psychiatrist and Visiting Professor, University College London (Medical Doctor) (United Kingdom and Italy) Dr. Margareta Griesz-Brisson MD PhD, Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson Pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole MD AFLDS PHYSICIAN Dr. Sam White Dr. Scott Jensen Dr. Tess Lawrie Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Dr. Yaffa Shir Raz Lecturer at IDC Herzliya International School Luc Montagnier French Virologist and Nobel Prize Winner Professor Eli Schwartz Director of the Center for Geographic Medicine at Sheba Medical Center in Tel-Hashomer Israel Professor Andreas Sönnichsen MD, Professor of General Practice and Family Medicine, Department of General Practice and Family Medicine, Center of Public Health, Medical University of Vienna, Vienna (Medical Doctor) (Austria) Professor Hector Carvallo Universidad de Buenos Aires | UBA · Department of Medicine Professor Karina Reiss PhD, Professor of Biochemistry, Christian Albrecht University of Kiel, Expertise in Cell Biology, Biochemistry (Scientist) (Germany) Professor Martin Haditsch MD PhD, Specialist (Austria) in Hygiene and Microbiology, Specialist (Germany) in Microbiology, Virology, Epidemiology/Infectious Diseases, Specialist (Austria) in Infectious Diseases and Tropical Medicine, Medical Director, TravelMedCenter, Leonding, Austria, Medical Director, Labor Hannover MVZ GmbH (Medical Doctor and Scientist) (Austria and Germany) Professor Stefan Hockertz, Professor of Toxicology and Pharmacologym, European registered Toxicologist, Specialist in Immunology and Immunotoxicology, CEO tpi consult GmbH. (Scientist) (Germany) Professor Ulrike Kämmerer PhD, Associate Professor of Experimental Reproductive Immunology and Tumor Biology at the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University Hospital of Würzburg, Germany, Trained molecular virologist (Diploma, PhD-Thesis) and Immunologist (Habilitation), Remains engaged in active laboratory research (Molecular Biology, Cell Biology (Scientist) (Germany)
Here are some who are Anti-vax, but they also contribute a great deal of research in the subject that should not necessarily be ignored just because they are. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
Here are some that are real conspiracy theorists on top, but again bring research to the table. Dr. Andrew Kaufman Dr. Christiane Northrup Dr. Dolores Cahil
And here is one who is not a doctor, she is an ex Pharma researcher who knows where and how to dig up interesting information that others struggle with.
And here is Dr. Ryan Cole talking about damage to the body from the mRNA vaccines.
As usual you will all attack the people and not their data.
And yes I know his presentation has supposedly been debunked by St Luke's.
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This is just daft. Do you have any idea how many infectious disease researchers there are. We have about 100 academic staff in the area, with perhaps 300+ postdoctoral researchers. All the big players will have similar numbers if not more- Oxford, Cambridge, Birmingham, UCL, Imperial, Bristol, Edinburgh. That’s a thousand to start with. A big microbiology conference has over 10k delegates.
No one is toeing a line. That’s conspiracy bull. There are few dissenters as few people believe the tripe you come up with. Few on your list are anything to do with infection. Are people really being sacked? No. Not even Dolores Cahill- she was removed from teaching at the students’s request at UCD, but still has her job.
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