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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans 14:21 - Aug 19 with 3255 viewspikeypaul

So in 2010 Biden was told what would happen with an unstructured exit strategy the type he's just undertaken.

His response. " FECK IT"


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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:46 - Aug 19 with 1528 viewscontroversial_jack

It was Trump that did the deal and negotiated with the terrorists
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 18:41 - Aug 19 with 1474 viewsCatullus

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:46 - Aug 19 by controversial_jack

It was Trump that did the deal and negotiated with the terrorists


But in Trumps deal it was stipulated if the Taliban broke any of the agreement the USa would be straight back in with overwhelming force.

It is Biden that has done this, not Trump. It's a mess.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 20:01 - Aug 19 with 1461 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 18:41 - Aug 19 by Catullus

But in Trumps deal it was stipulated if the Taliban broke any of the agreement the USa would be straight back in with overwhelming force.

It is Biden that has done this, not Trump. It's a mess.


Make you wonder why Biden did not wait until November the start of the harsh Afghanistan Winter when tye Taliban usually return to their villages to see the Winter out and give the Afghanistan Army a chance to consolidate.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 20:40 - Aug 19 with 1444 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:46 - Aug 19 by controversial_jack

It was Trump that did the deal and negotiated with the terrorists


Biden did not have to deliver it or withdraw in such a disorganised way. They are both hopeless in their own way.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 22:09 - Aug 19 with 1409 viewsmajorraglan

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 18:41 - Aug 19 by Catullus

But in Trumps deal it was stipulated if the Taliban broke any of the agreement the USa would be straight back in with overwhelming force.

It is Biden that has done this, not Trump. It's a mess.


It was and the attached puts a bit more context around things.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-08-19/was-biden-handcuffed-by

In reality, Biden either had to withdraw or go in with significantly increased resources just to get back to where it was when Trump signed the deal yet alone be in a position to engage in combat. The American public don’t want their military to be in Afghanistan period while the Afghan public don’t vote in the US elections, so Biden’s priorities will always be domestic. Not saying that’s right, it’s just the way I see it.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 10:50 - Aug 20 with 1368 viewscontroversial_jack

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 22:09 - Aug 19 by majorraglan

It was and the attached puts a bit more context around things.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-08-19/was-biden-handcuffed-by

In reality, Biden either had to withdraw or go in with significantly increased resources just to get back to where it was when Trump signed the deal yet alone be in a position to engage in combat. The American public don’t want their military to be in Afghanistan period while the Afghan public don’t vote in the US elections, so Biden’s priorities will always be domestic. Not saying that’s right, it’s just the way I see it.


That's a good post, Biden is just honouring the agreement Trump made. Of course it's been a mess, but all withdrawals are

The US public doesn't want their troops there. This is why they threw the Afghans under the bus.I don't have the figures, but I believe there were very few troops left there prior to this and very few actively involved in trying to find Al Queda. It was symbolic for the Taliban and gave then to green light to go

It's typical of the Americans though. Everywhere they go they leave behind a mess and despair.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 12:47 - Aug 20 with 1348 viewsBoundy

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 10:50 - Aug 20 by controversial_jack

That's a good post, Biden is just honouring the agreement Trump made. Of course it's been a mess, but all withdrawals are

The US public doesn't want their troops there. This is why they threw the Afghans under the bus.I don't have the figures, but I believe there were very few troops left there prior to this and very few actively involved in trying to find Al Queda. It was symbolic for the Taliban and gave then to green light to go

It's typical of the Americans though. Everywhere they go they leave behind a mess and despair.


There were 2.500 troops left at the time of the withdrawal , not enough to continue the fight but enough of a presence to keep a lid on things relatively speaking
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 13:31 - Aug 20 with 1335 viewsonehunglow

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 10:50 - Aug 20 by controversial_jack

That's a good post, Biden is just honouring the agreement Trump made. Of course it's been a mess, but all withdrawals are

The US public doesn't want their troops there. This is why they threw the Afghans under the bus.I don't have the figures, but I believe there were very few troops left there prior to this and very few actively involved in trying to find Al Queda. It was symbolic for the Taliban and gave then to green light to go

It's typical of the Americans though. Everywhere they go they leave behind a mess and despair.


As is the case with the glorious Russians although they tended to send in tanks but mainly against those who don't toe the line.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:36 - Aug 20 with 1325 viewsProfessor

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 10:50 - Aug 20 by controversial_jack

That's a good post, Biden is just honouring the agreement Trump made. Of course it's been a mess, but all withdrawals are

The US public doesn't want their troops there. This is why they threw the Afghans under the bus.I don't have the figures, but I believe there were very few troops left there prior to this and very few actively involved in trying to find Al Queda. It was symbolic for the Taliban and gave then to green light to go

It's typical of the Americans though. Everywhere they go they leave behind a mess and despair.


Biden has worked to American public opinion, and clearly the lives of Afghans mattered not to him or Trump. No president from Bush on comes out of this well. If anyone thinks Trump would have done this better, then just read his statement yesterday. Get the **** out, then bomb. Don't worry about those left behind or the collateral damage. Shameful by all involved.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:42 - Aug 20 with 1324 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:36 - Aug 20 by Professor

Biden has worked to American public opinion, and clearly the lives of Afghans mattered not to him or Trump. No president from Bush on comes out of this well. If anyone thinks Trump would have done this better, then just read his statement yesterday. Get the **** out, then bomb. Don't worry about those left behind or the collateral damage. Shameful by all involved.


Agree and what I don't get is the withdrawal of troops with thousands of foreign nationals including Americans still in the country.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 15:18 - Aug 20 with 1315 viewsProfessor

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:42 - Aug 20 by JACKMANANDBOY

Agree and what I don't get is the withdrawal of troops with thousands of foreign nationals including Americans still in the country.


Either a supreme failing in intelligence or extreme stupidity by the US State Department and FCO here. Either way Raab should be resigning. Peter Carrington went for less and took responsibility in 1982. Just shows what a corrupt government and incompetent opposition we have at this time.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 15:35 - Aug 20 with 1306 viewscontroversial_jack

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 12:47 - Aug 20 by Boundy

There were 2.500 troops left at the time of the withdrawal , not enough to continue the fight but enough of a presence to keep a lid on things relatively speaking


2,500 troops. How many of those would have been infantry? Many would have been HQ staff, logistics, support etc. How many of those would have been able to go out on patrol? A few hundred at the very most.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 16:00 - Aug 20 with 1303 viewsKeithHaynes

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 15:35 - Aug 20 by controversial_jack

2,500 troops. How many of those would have been infantry? Many would have been HQ staff, logistics, support etc. How many of those would have been able to go out on patrol? A few hundred at the very most.


A patrol won’t have any more than 16 in it.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 16:16 - Aug 20 with 1296 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 15:18 - Aug 20 by Professor

Either a supreme failing in intelligence or extreme stupidity by the US State Department and FCO here. Either way Raab should be resigning. Peter Carrington went for less and took responsibility in 1982. Just shows what a corrupt government and incompetent opposition we have at this time.


In terms of capability, Trump or Biden, Johnson or Corbyn, our choices are very limited these days.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 16:54 - Aug 20 with 1293 viewsProfessor

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 16:16 - Aug 20 by JACKMANANDBOY

In terms of capability, Trump or Biden, Johnson or Corbyn, our choices are very limited these days.


True.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 18:01 - Aug 20 with 1269 viewscontroversial_jack

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 16:00 - Aug 20 by KeithHaynes

A patrol won’t have any more than 16 in it.


What i was getting at is, there won't be enough boots on the ground to do much at all
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 21:09 - Aug 20 with 1244 viewsmajorraglan

Was listening to someone who’d previously served in Afghanistan and they explained they’d anticipated these problems after Trump signed the deal as the Americans had withdrawn significant numbers of troops to the extent there was very little they could do. They’d been told not to get “too close” to the Afghans who’d worked alongside them, but it was hard when you worked closely with people, trusted them and were fearful of what would happen going forward.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 22:06 - Aug 20 with 1222 viewsCatullus

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 21:09 - Aug 20 by majorraglan

Was listening to someone who’d previously served in Afghanistan and they explained they’d anticipated these problems after Trump signed the deal as the Americans had withdrawn significant numbers of troops to the extent there was very little they could do. They’d been told not to get “too close” to the Afghans who’d worked alongside them, but it was hard when you worked closely with people, trusted them and were fearful of what would happen going forward.


The recent events are all Biden but the withdrawal agreement in the first place, it seems experts were dubious about it.

As someone pointed out on the QT Afghanistan special, why would they be worried about 20 years inAfghan when they've spent a LOT longer in Korea. The USA have had soldiers in South Korea since 1945.

It's done and dusted now though and we are left to pick up the pieces. Raab should resign, when it's something as big as this no government minister can be on holiday and delegate. If these people can't deal with that notion then resign and let someone in who can.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 16:15 - Aug 21 with 1136 viewscontroversial_jack

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 22:06 - Aug 20 by Catullus

The recent events are all Biden but the withdrawal agreement in the first place, it seems experts were dubious about it.

As someone pointed out on the QT Afghanistan special, why would they be worried about 20 years inAfghan when they've spent a LOT longer in Korea. The USA have had soldiers in South Korea since 1945.

It's done and dusted now though and we are left to pick up the pieces. Raab should resign, when it's something as big as this no government minister can be on holiday and delegate. If these people can't deal with that notion then resign and let someone in who can.


The US has a token force on the Korean border. It's 30,000, but the North Koreans could overrun that with ease
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 21:09 - Aug 21 with 1090 viewsCatullus

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 16:15 - Aug 21 by controversial_jack

The US has a token force on the Korean border. It's 30,000, but the North Koreans could overrun that with ease


30,000 a TOKEN force? Don't be ridiculous. A modern force with artillery and air support, 30k is far more than token. The 2,500 the USA left in Afghan, that is token. If there had been 30,000 US troops (with artillery and air support) in and around Kabul, do you think the Taliban would have gone near?

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 21:27 - Aug 21 with 1084 viewscontroversial_jack

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 21:09 - Aug 21 by Catullus

30,000 a TOKEN force? Don't be ridiculous. A modern force with artillery and air support, 30k is far more than token. The 2,500 the USA left in Afghan, that is token. If there had been 30,000 US troops (with artillery and air support) in and around Kabul, do you think the Taliban would have gone near?


30k, is nothing to what the N Koreans can muster. It's been estimated that they could be overrun in about 3 hours

The Taliban, didn't have to go near Kabul or anywhere else, they just waited. The US has the equipment and resources, we have the time. Guess which prevailed?
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 23:10 - Aug 21 with 1069 viewsmajorraglan

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 21:27 - Aug 21 by controversial_jack

30k, is nothing to what the N Koreans can muster. It's been estimated that they could be overrun in about 3 hours

The Taliban, didn't have to go near Kabul or anywhere else, they just waited. The US has the equipment and resources, we have the time. Guess which prevailed?


The North Koreans may be able to muster more men, but the US with the and South Korea have access to some of the worlds best technology and weaponry and far superior air power which would cause infantry significant issues.
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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 03:25 - Aug 22 with 1057 viewsDJack

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 23:10 - Aug 21 by majorraglan

The North Koreans may be able to muster more men, but the US with the and South Korea have access to some of the worlds best technology and weaponry and far superior air power which would cause infantry significant issues.


Ignore him, he is a fool who believes the watering hole(s) that he frequents. We both know that the only way that the North will overrun the South is with massive Chinese support.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 03:41 - Aug 22 with 1051 viewsDr_Parnassus

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:46 - Aug 19 by controversial_jack

It was Trump that did the deal and negotiated with the terrorists


Trumps deal was sensible. A step by step withdrawal with the Taliban having to be kept in check at every step or the withdrawal would be cancelled.

Biden absolutely made a pigs ear of that.

I know some people on here don’t like Trump, whatever that’s fine. But let’s not start putting our hands over our eyes and ears with regards to what’s going on here.

This is Bidens mess, or indeed whoever is advising him in his administration anyway. I highly doubt he’s decided to do this all by himself.

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Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 03:44 - Aug 22 with 1050 viewsDr_Parnassus

Biden 2010, eff the Afghans on 14:36 - Aug 20 by Professor

Biden has worked to American public opinion, and clearly the lives of Afghans mattered not to him or Trump. No president from Bush on comes out of this well. If anyone thinks Trump would have done this better, then just read his statement yesterday. Get the **** out, then bomb. Don't worry about those left behind or the collateral damage. Shameful by all involved.


I would suggest after 4 years of evidence, he would certainly have gone about this better. His record in foreign affairs is exemplary and it would be completely inaccurate to claim otherwise.

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