| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet 10:40 - Sep 16 with 2244 views | SwansIndependent |
 There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet 16th Sep 2021 10:38Another draw, but more realistically more signs of improvement as Swansea City played their second home game in four days. Sadly it resulted in another 0-0. You can’t argue with the playing style, it creates chances for players to score goals. The only issue is the players needed to score goals left their shooting boots at home.  0
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:40 - Sep 16 with 552 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:37 - Sep 16 by ItchySphincter |
People can deny it all they like but there’s a desperation to see Martin fail, not witnessed since the days of Garry Monk, and all because some people think it will support their view that Steve Cooper was an overachiever. He wasn’t and it doesn’t. Some fans we’ve got. 10 games FFS. |
Nonsense.
Nobody wants the team or the manager to fail. The fact is, we are failing and people are reacting accordingly, we are 20th. |  |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:44 - Sep 16 with 550 views | jackrmee |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:39 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
The environment over the last 25 years has been very similar yes, it’s seen a fair bit of continuity.
Which manager under these owners has struggled to change the style and get results simultaneously? The only one I can think of was Bob Bradley and they sacked him after 11 games. Everyone else was able to do so.
I am not discrediting anyone. I am not criticising his character, I am factually assessing the fact that we are 20th in the league after spending millions on players he wants. Of the players that stayed were part of the team that were 4th last year. These are just the facts.
Where have I suggested the manager is a lower calibre than other ones? I am holding him to the same standards as all of them, it is you that seem to be giving him a whole season to write off before he is able to get results.
There are no quotes because I didn’t say it. It’s amazing how many times you accuse me of saying something only to then say there aren’t any quotes because I didn’t say it.
I said I think it’s patronising that people think Martin needs so much more time than others. I didn’t say I felt patronised. I would if I was Martin, a bit like joining a race and someone putting my starting blocks halfway down the track with everyone else’s back at the start line, I would assume they don’t think I’m as good.
Why am I being fake? My views are clear. You are being fake as you keep making up what people say, daily. You do go on to admit that they didn’t say it, but still you should stop doing that. It’s not very honest. |
I don't think Martin would feel patronised.
He himself has said that this season is a transitional one and that he is not thinking about where we finish in the league. He will start thinking about that next season.
He also said that most fans he has spoken to agree with him. |  |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:46 - Sep 16 with 540 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:44 - Sep 16 by jackrmee |
I don't think Martin would feel patronised.
He himself has said that this season is a transitional one and that he is not thinking about where we finish in the league. He will start thinking about that next season.
He also said that most fans he has spoken to agree with him. |
Any link?
That would be extremely disappointing if so. Such a needlessly low bar to set and awful message to send out to the players.
I can only hope this is another case of you making up someone’s quotes again. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:47 - Sep 16 with 546 views | ItchySphincter |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:40 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nonsense.
Nobody wants the team or the manager to fail. The fact is, we are failing and people are reacting accordingly, we are 20th. |
Nonsense.
So what was the excuse before the season kicked off?
There are plenty of people who are not fans, they are just desperate to be proven they are ‘right’ on a message board.
You won’t agree but it’s all quite pathetic. This team isn’t far off turning improved performances into results. Time will be the ultimate decider and I will nail my colours to the mast and say I hope we give the new manager time - can you do the same? |  |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:49 - Sep 16 with 533 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:47 - Sep 16 by ItchySphincter |
Nonsense.
So what was the excuse before the season kicked off?
There are plenty of people who are not fans, they are just desperate to be proven they are ‘right’ on a message board.
You won’t agree but it’s all quite pathetic. This team isn’t far off turning improved performances into results. Time will be the ultimate decider and I will nail my colours to the mast and say I hope we give the new manager time - can you do the same? |
It’s not nonsense at all. You make it sound as if it’s unusual for fans to react to hovering above the relegation zone.
If we start winning and playing well then the praise will come. That’s football and it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
What happened pre season?
As for me, I want what is best for the club. It depends what you mean by “given time”, before what?
Do I think he should be given even more time before we can critique his performances? Certainly not.
Do I think he should be sacked yet? No.
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:59 - Sep 16 with 527 views | ItchySphincter |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:49 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not nonsense at all. You make it sound as if it’s unusual for fans to react to hovering above the relegation zone.
If we start winning and playing well then the praise will come. That’s football and it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
What happened pre season?
As for me, I want what is best for the club. It depends what you mean by “given time”, before what?
Do I think he should be given even more time before we can critique his performances? Certainly not.
Do I think he should be sacked yet? No.
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I haven’t really heard anyone moaning about Martin yet, other than the one or two who were very pro-Cooper and they were moaning before the season started. Even walking away from the game last night when ‘everyone’ was critiquing the game it wasn’t really about Martin and it certainly wasn’t as negative as it appears to read on here. There’s a lot of work to do and results need to improve, I think most would agree with that, but you either accept the new management or you don’t. Harping on about Cooper and Bradley gives the distinct impression that you don’t.
I’m more than happy anytime you want to discuss the actual football and what needs to change on the pitch. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:03 - Sep 16 with 516 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:59 - Sep 16 by ItchySphincter |
I haven’t really heard anyone moaning about Martin yet, other than the one or two who were very pro-Cooper and they were moaning before the season started. Even walking away from the game last night when ‘everyone’ was critiquing the game it wasn’t really about Martin and it certainly wasn’t as negative as it appears to read on here. There’s a lot of work to do and results need to improve, I think most would agree with that, but you either accept the new management or you don’t. Harping on about Cooper and Bradley gives the distinct impression that you don’t.
I’m more than happy anytime you want to discuss the actual football and what needs to change on the pitch. |
Who are you referring to? I’d be interested to see some quotes.
I haven’t seen many people criticise Martin, just the results and performances.
There is no “harping”, Cooper is under constant discussion here - usually to slag him off or criticise the last two years. Once you start holding people to different standards than ones precious then it’s a natural discussion to have.
It is nothing to do with acceptance. I accept all Swansea managers, even Bob Bradley. It’s then up to them to show they are the right man for the job. At the moment we are performing badly both in performance and results.
I have no opinion on whether that will turn or not, I hope it does. But I always base my opinions on what has happened, not what may happen. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:07 - Sep 16 with 516 views | ItchySphincter |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:03 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Who are you referring to? I’d be interested to see some quotes.
I haven’t seen many people criticise Martin, just the results and performances.
There is no “harping”, Cooper is under constant discussion here - usually to slag him off or criticise the last two years. Once you start holding people to different standards than ones precious then it’s a natural discussion to have.
It is nothing to do with acceptance. I accept all Swansea managers, even Bob Bradley. It’s then up to them to show they are the right man for the job. At the moment we are performing badly both in performance and results.
I have no opinion on whether that will turn or not, I hope it does. But I always base my opinions on what has happened, not what may happen. |
Ahhh cool, so we’re talking about the football then, and not Martin or Bob Bradley or Cooper. I must have missed it. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:08 - Sep 16 with 504 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:07 - Sep 16 by ItchySphincter |
Ahhh cool, so we’re talking about the football then, and not Martin or Bob Bradley or Cooper. I must have missed it. |
With what comments?
You are being very cryptic.
Who has criticised Martin? What have they said exactly? Who criticised Martin before he joined? What did they say exactly?
Answer those then we can go from there. Otherwise it just sounds like the usual intentionally vague forum accusations. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:13 - Sep 16 with 506 views | Thornburyswan |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 13:43 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course it will, it’s not up for debate.
The table is pretty much always arranged over the course of the season in order of the best performers to the worst. You never get the worst performing team in the league winning it, you never get the best performing team being bottom.
Yes, 10 games seemed to be the general consensus. |
Minor point Dr but for me the league table come the end of the season shows in order of best results not performances - two different things for me - it might show best of both but always best results only sometimes best performances. | | | |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:15 - Sep 16 with 497 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:13 - Sep 16 by Thornburyswan |
Minor point Dr but for me the league table come the end of the season shows in order of best results not performances - two different things for me - it might show best of both but always best results only sometimes best performances. |
Results are a direct consequence of performance.
You will never get the best performing team in the league finish bottom. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:04 - Sep 17 with 388 views | jackrmee |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:46 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Any link?
That would be extremely disappointing if so. Such a needlessly low bar to set and awful message to send out to the players.
I can only hope this is another case of you making up someone’s quotes again. |
https://www.dai-sport.com/swan
"“Next season will be one where I will have an expectation about what we can do, but this year it’s about the team having a clear identity and making people proud of coming here.”" [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 8:05]
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:13 - Sep 17 with 383 views | magicdaps10 |
Think we have to be sensible all things considered.
Its not a great start but is it really unexpected!? think most would have realised the issues ahead after the previous 2 seasons... Steve Cooper himself realised this and decided it wasn't a job he wanted to carry on and wanted to get of at the top of his wave.
We have to be patient, sensible and realise that we are just 7 games in and have to start taking all into account around game 10 in the league. This season was always going to be one where mid table was a very realistic outcome and so early, one win makes us a mid table team.
We can't compare this season to the last 2, however much you want to compare it, it's not the same. |  |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:14 - Sep 17 with 382 views | jackrmee |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 15:15 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Results are a direct consequence of performance.
You will never get the best performing team in the league finish bottom. |
But you can get the worst performing team get 3 points from a match. More than once. Even more times will the worst performing team get a draw.
So don't be so pretentious. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:27 - Sep 17 with 374 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:14 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
But you can get the worst performing team get 3 points from a match. More than once. Even more times will the worst performing team get a draw.
So don't be so pretentious. |
Who has said otherwise?
You understand probability don’t you?
Let’s say the better the team performance, the more tickets with the teams name on it in the raffle. At the end of the game the best team gets 10 tickets, the worst performing team gets 2 tickets and draw gets 2 tickets.
Yes the worst team can on occasion get their name pulled out and take home the points. However if you repeat this time after time, the raffle will spit out a league which orders itself from best performing to worst performing.
So again, you will never get the worst performing team winning the league and you will never get the best performing team getting relegated. Just an extreme statistical improbability on a scale I don’t think has been seen in football to date. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:45 - Sep 17 with 363 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:04 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
https://www.dai-sport.com/swan
"“Next season will be one where I will have an expectation about what we can do, but this year it’s about the team having a clear identity and making people proud of coming here.”" [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 8:05]
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Wow, unbelievable comments really. Although struggling to see the part where you said he has spoken to a few fans and they agree with him though?
“No idea where we will end up”. Nice little confidence booster there. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 09:08 - Sep 17 with 356 views | onehunglow |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 14:13 - Sep 16 by jackrmee |
All other managers are able to do that?
I can see you would have been one of the ones who would have campaigned for Alex Ferguson to be sacked.
That would have gone well. |
Russ is no Fergie.
He s not even John the Baptist
2/3/4 games
Then five weeks.
It evolves
Not Russ though. Not yet anyway.
Innit | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 09:15 - Sep 17 with 344 views | jackrmee |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 08:27 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Who has said otherwise?
You understand probability don’t you?
Let’s say the better the team performance, the more tickets with the teams name on it in the raffle. At the end of the game the best team gets 10 tickets, the worst performing team gets 2 tickets and draw gets 2 tickets.
Yes the worst team can on occasion get their name pulled out and take home the points. However if you repeat this time after time, the raffle will spit out a league which orders itself from best performing to worst performing.
So again, you will never get the worst performing team winning the league and you will never get the best performing team getting relegated. Just an extreme statistical improbability on a scale I don’t think has been seen in football to date. |
So you negate your own argument.
"The best performing teams won't get relegated".
Happy days. We have no worries then. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 09:17 - Sep 17 with 340 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 09:15 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
So you negate your own argument.
"The best performing teams won't get relegated".
Happy days. We have no worries then. |
Where have I negated my own argument? It appears you don’t understand the point I have made.
We aren’t the best performing team, or anything close to… hence we are 20th. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 09:58 - Sep 17 with 322 views | jackrmee |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 09:17 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Where have I negated my own argument? It appears you don’t understand the point I have made.
We aren’t the best performing team, or anything close to… hence we are 20th. |
So we are the 20th best performing team? | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:00 - Sep 17 with 317 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 09:58 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
So we are the 20th best performing team? |
Not quite, as teams have had different opposition.
But we have played sufficiently badly to be positioned in 20th though, yes. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:04 - Sep 17 with 315 views | jackrmee |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:00 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not quite, as teams have had different opposition.
But we have played sufficiently badly to be positioned in 20th though, yes. |
We performed exactly equal to Millwall and Hull the last 2 games? | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:06 - Sep 17 with 312 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:04 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
We performed exactly equal to Millwall and Hull the last 2 games? |
All three teams did just about enough to get the results they got, yes. | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:10 - Sep 17 with 311 views | jackrmee |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:06 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
All three teams did just about enough to get the results they got, yes. |
Dear me.
So you reckon that Hull's actual performance, was equal to ours? They totally deserved a point from the game? We weren't the better team at all? | |
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| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:13 - Sep 17 with 308 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| There will come a time for Russell Martin, but it’s nowhere near yet on 10:10 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
Dear me.
So you reckon that Hull's actual performance, was equal to ours? They totally deserved a point from the game? We weren't the better team at all? |
Equal in what sense? They were completely different game plans.
But neither did enough to win the game if that is your question?
They allowed us the ball and set up their team in a way to deny us many opportunities, which transpired to be the case. They were fully deserving of their point, as were Millwall.
But after 7 games we find ourselves in 20th because we don’t deserve to be higher. Not sure what is confusing you about that to be honest. | |
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