| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? 20:43 - Sep 19 with 5332 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Are you happy with our government's handling of it? |  | | |  |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:34 - Sep 22 with 782 views | controversial_jack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 15:55 - Sep 22 by Catullus |
That's why I said it's more BS. There is no massive spike, nohuge demand beyond a return to normal levels. They're fixing the markets so they can recoup any profits they lost in the last 18-24 months, they have bonuses and pay rises to think of.
Apparently a cold winter in 2021 has depeleted stock levels because of higher demand, well I don't remember it being all that cold, it was hardly Siberian! If there was such high demand why didn't prices rise last winter. We had a very good, long summer last year and this summer has been quite warm, if damp. It's een more BS. |
Welcome to capitalism. Enjoy! | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:46 - Sep 22 with 765 views | Boundy |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:34 - Sep 22 by controversial_jack |
Welcome to capitalism. Enjoy! |
As opposed to the well documented failure of socialism, in all its forms | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:52 - Sep 22 with 760 views | controversial_jack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:46 - Sep 22 by Boundy |
As opposed to the well documented failure of socialism, in all its forms |
Social democracy seems to be doing fine in Scandinavia | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 18:01 - Sep 22 with 755 views | Boundy |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:52 - Sep 22 by controversial_jack |
Social democracy seems to be doing fine in Scandinavia |
People are suffering now and it will get worse when the new tax increases hit home , exactly how the Nordic model pays for its utopian society. so If we did adopt that model ( we won't as long as we have a social class system as intrenched as it is ) then who's willing to pay more ? | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 18:19 - Sep 22 with 735 views | controversial_jack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 18:01 - Sep 22 by Boundy |
People are suffering now and it will get worse when the new tax increases hit home , exactly how the Nordic model pays for its utopian society. so If we did adopt that model ( we won't as long as we have a social class system as intrenched as it is ) then who's willing to pay more ? |
We can't have it all, something has to give.No system is perfect | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 19:46 - Sep 22 with 708 views | Kilkennyjack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 18:01 - Sep 22 by Boundy |
People are suffering now and it will get worse when the new tax increases hit home , exactly how the Nordic model pays for its utopian society. so If we did adopt that model ( we won't as long as we have a social class system as intrenched as it is ) then who's willing to pay more ? |
Not more, simply spend the current tax take differently. |  |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 19:46 - Sep 22 with 707 views | Kilkennyjack |
God bless the EU 🇪🇺 | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 08:55 - Sep 23 with 653 views | felixstowe_jack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 19:46 - Sep 22 by Kilkennyjack |
God bless the EU 🇪🇺 |
Why are gas prices going up in the EU is that because of Brexit or possibly a world short as the world recovers from a global pandemic? | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 09:06 - Sep 23 with 643 views | majorraglan |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 08:55 - Sep 23 by felixstowe_jack |
Why are gas prices going up in the EU is that because of Brexit or possibly a world short as the world recovers from a global pandemic? |
They are going up in Europe, but not to the same extent they are here because our exposure is much greater than other countries | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 09:40 - Sep 23 with 633 views | Professor |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 18:01 - Sep 22 by Boundy |
People are suffering now and it will get worse when the new tax increases hit home , exactly how the Nordic model pays for its utopian society. so If we did adopt that model ( we won't as long as we have a social class system as intrenched as it is ) then who's willing to pay more ? |
Is entirely correct. Unless those of higher incomes are prepared to see a narrowing of pay gaps, then it won't happen. But go figure-I earn as much as my equivalent in Germany, Netherlands and slightly less than Denmark or Sweden. Pay less income tax, but have a lower standard of living. Excessive cost of housing being the biggest driver. As well as the ridiculous amount of NI and pension contributions to get less than my colleagues at retirement.
We head towards an American system, but outside of financial services, incomes are lower and living costs greater. A right mess, riven by social class and lack of social mobility. | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:02 - Sep 23 with 618 views | felixstowe_jack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 09:06 - Sep 23 by majorraglan |
They are going up in Europe, but not to the same extent they are here because our exposure is much greater than other countries |
Incorrect the natural gas price in Europe and UK is exactly the same. It is world market and the price is exactly the same. Just as oil prices are the same price. | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:05 - Sep 23 with 618 views | onehunglow |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:52 - Sep 22 by controversial_jack |
Social democracy seems to be doing fine in Scandinavia |
They do not have the embedded class system where people are quite happy to be called poor/deprived or working class and wear it as a badge.
We need to :
Scrap the honours/peerage system as this reinforces "class" and status
We need to radically slim down our Monarchy
We need attitudes to change from top to bottom
We don't like paying tax | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:26 - Sep 23 with 607 views | felixstowe_jack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:05 - Sep 23 by onehunglow |
They do not have the embedded class system where people are quite happy to be called poor/deprived or working class and wear it as a badge.
We need to :
Scrap the honours/peerage system as this reinforces "class" and status
We need to radically slim down our Monarchy
We need attitudes to change from top to bottom
We don't like paying tax |
Trouble is too many people in this country like receiving benefits without working. In a good socialist system everyone needs to work not rely and tax payers to keep them idle and unproductive. | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:42 - Sep 23 with 603 views | pencoedjack |
My supplier (Green) went bust yesterday.
When one of the big 6 take over my account will they honour the fixed rate I was on with Green or just give me the best current rate available? |  | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:45 - Sep 23 with 602 views | onehunglow |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:42 - Sep 23 by pencoedjack |
My supplier (Green) went bust yesterday.
When one of the big 6 take over my account will they honour the fixed rate I was on with Green or just give me the best current rate available? |
DM on your way | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 11:11 - Sep 23 with 594 views | controversial_jack |
Keep away from SSE energy. they are terrible, they do not know what they are doing | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 23:21 - Sep 23 with 533 views | Kilkennyjack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:42 - Sep 23 by pencoedjack |
My supplier (Green) went bust yesterday.
When one of the big 6 take over my account will they honour the fixed rate I was on with Green or just give me the best current rate available? |
They should honour it | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 08:10 - Sep 24 with 499 views | Scotia |
I haven't taken a look at this thread so far. I'm not surprised with the way it seems to have panned out.
I was just wodering if you'd like to expand on the comment that "Your second link is cherry picked data ending just after a double El Nino."
We've been through ENOS's previously without you convincing me you have the faintest idea what know you are talking about and I'd be interested to know the relevance of the "double El Nino" and why you think the paper uses "cherry picked data"
I realise irony seems to be your super power but accusing that link of being cherry picked when you've posted individual months worth of measured climate data from a record spanning 200 years sort of takes the biscuit. [Post edited 24 Sep 2021 8:17]
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 08:49 - Sep 24 with 486 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
A problem across Europe, but also in Asia. |  |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:44 - Sep 24 with 460 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 08:10 - Sep 24 by Scotia |
I haven't taken a look at this thread so far. I'm not surprised with the way it seems to have panned out.
I was just wodering if you'd like to expand on the comment that "Your second link is cherry picked data ending just after a double El Nino."
We've been through ENOS's previously without you convincing me you have the faintest idea what know you are talking about and I'd be interested to know the relevance of the "double El Nino" and why you think the paper uses "cherry picked data"
I realise irony seems to be your super power but accusing that link of being cherry picked when you've posted individual months worth of measured climate data from a record spanning 200 years sort of takes the biscuit. [Post edited 24 Sep 2021 8:17]
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If you understood even the basics of the Earth's Climate you would not need to ask that question.
The Solar energy Short Wave Radiation passes straight through the atmosphere and penetrates the Oceans and Seas to a depth of many metres.
The El Nino event is when the Seas released that stored energy in to the atmosphere, this in turn produces a very large spike in atmospheric temperatures and quite often a smaller step change in the baseline temperature for a period afterwards.
If you had bothered to look at the UAH and Crutem4 data this can clearly be seen.
What can also be seen is that since the end of the analysis in that second paper in 2018 the average temperatures have fallen back 0.5C degrees.
The Long Wave Radiation should also have fallen back to match.
In fact if you look at the Word Document version of that paper and look at figures S1 and S2, which are the actualCERES data and not their "re-analysis" of the data you would notice that the Long Wave component which is being radiated by the Earth is actually lower in 2018 than it was in 2008.
While looking at the CRUTEM4 data I also looked at CRUTEM5 and guess what the new versions shows the running average to be 0.5C hotter during the 2016 El Nino than the CRUTEM4 data and the pre 1900 running average to be 0.3C colder. Increasing the Warming Trend by 0.8C
I looked at it so that I could download the actual average monthly anomalies to compare their temperatures to this year.
The highest anomalies
1998 El Nino +1.34C
2002 El Nino +1.34C
2010 El Nino +1.21C
2015 El Nino +1.26C
2016 El Nino + 2.13C
The four months of 2021
2021-02 0.85731995
2021-03 1.1154468
2021-04 0.9677249
2021-05 0.9397832
2021-06 1.2065732
Almost a degree colder than the peak of the 2016 El Nino and back where we were in 1998.
But I am sure that as you are so clued up on Climate Change you already knew all this. | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 18:06 - Sep 24 with 445 views | CountyJim |
I was a Avro customer was only paying about 70 a month which was great
Taken photos of my meter readings looks like I'm going to be paying nearly double now |  | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 20:19 - Sep 24 with 427 views | Scotia |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 17:44 - Sep 24 by A_Fans_Dad |
If you understood even the basics of the Earth's Climate you would not need to ask that question.
The Solar energy Short Wave Radiation passes straight through the atmosphere and penetrates the Oceans and Seas to a depth of many metres.
The El Nino event is when the Seas released that stored energy in to the atmosphere, this in turn produces a very large spike in atmospheric temperatures and quite often a smaller step change in the baseline temperature for a period afterwards.
If you had bothered to look at the UAH and Crutem4 data this can clearly be seen.
What can also be seen is that since the end of the analysis in that second paper in 2018 the average temperatures have fallen back 0.5C degrees.
The Long Wave Radiation should also have fallen back to match.
In fact if you look at the Word Document version of that paper and look at figures S1 and S2, which are the actualCERES data and not their "re-analysis" of the data you would notice that the Long Wave component which is being radiated by the Earth is actually lower in 2018 than it was in 2008.
While looking at the CRUTEM4 data I also looked at CRUTEM5 and guess what the new versions shows the running average to be 0.5C hotter during the 2016 El Nino than the CRUTEM4 data and the pre 1900 running average to be 0.3C colder. Increasing the Warming Trend by 0.8C
I looked at it so that I could download the actual average monthly anomalies to compare their temperatures to this year.
The highest anomalies
1998 El Nino +1.34C
2002 El Nino +1.34C
2010 El Nino +1.21C
2015 El Nino +1.26C
2016 El Nino + 2.13C
The four months of 2021
2021-02 0.85731995
2021-03 1.1154468
2021-04 0.9677249
2021-05 0.9397832
2021-06 1.2065732
Almost a degree colder than the peak of the 2016 El Nino and back where we were in 1998.
But I am sure that as you are so clued up on Climate Change you already knew all this. |
Dear me. I meant the relevance of ENSO's to climate change and why you claimed that paper cherry picked data.
You reply with more cherry picked data. Its completely irrelevant, for it to be of any relevance you need to consider ocean oscillations and climate throughout geological history. Crack on with that if you want. They haven't only happened since 1998 mind.
You do realise that the authors of the paper used radiative kernels to the raw data to remove the noise.
They aren't cherry picking data you are, but I really don't think you realise you are and understand why that's a problem. To you it's numbers.
Anyway this isn't a climate change thread, I'm not dragging everyone else through your misinterpretation of stuff that you don't understand to start with. | | | |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 21:13 - Sep 24 with 410 views | oldtownjack |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 10:07 - Sep 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Why should the government have control on what we pay for energy? I would rather pay lower prices in a free market.
That gives the people the power to shop around for the best prices.
Do you reallt think all prices in shops, online for all goods should by the government? [Post edited 21 Sep 2021 10:09]
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Ah the Utopian free market ideal. Drive down prices whilst driving up service. Unfortunately the reality is rather different as shown by our UK rail 'service'. Most expensive and worst service in Europe by far. The other side of the the free market is the expectation for the state to bail them out in times of crisis. Happy to privatise the profits but all too quick to socialise the losses. | |
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| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 22:27 - Sep 24 with 386 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What do you think of the increase Gas & power prices? on 20:19 - Sep 24 by Scotia |
Dear me. I meant the relevance of ENSO's to climate change and why you claimed that paper cherry picked data.
You reply with more cherry picked data. Its completely irrelevant, for it to be of any relevance you need to consider ocean oscillations and climate throughout geological history. Crack on with that if you want. They haven't only happened since 1998 mind.
You do realise that the authors of the paper used radiative kernels to the raw data to remove the noise.
They aren't cherry picking data you are, but I really don't think you realise you are and understand why that's a problem. To you it's numbers.
Anyway this isn't a climate change thread, I'm not dragging everyone else through your misinterpretation of stuff that you don't understand to start with. |
Hilarious, until I showed you, youdidn't even know what El Ninos were.
Prof was the one who raised CC not me. | | | |
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