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Wow..the world's going mad ...suggesting walking off football pitches walking off darts,just because you get called names...get on with it we live in a society of babies and softness...honestly I don't understand it...even down to this gender crap...your either male or female, can't say man after certain titles like policeman or police woman, it really gets to me,that certain countries adhere to this,and we wonder why the youngsters today are snowflakes, some of you might have a go at me for this,and call me names,I can deal with that as maybe I'm in older generation and not a snowflake,
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 16:35 - Oct 10 with 1189 views
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 20:54 - Oct 9 by Catullus
Actually most people on here think you're the wimp. We have heard plenty of abuse at the football but instead of wimpily running to the police, we give some abuse back.
Have you never heard "same old English, always cheating" or the song about a toilet stop on the English side?
What we do is, we draw the line at making out someone is sub human, not as good as us because they are black. We don't tolerate people being called ni44er or c00n or monkey noises being directed at them because that is real racism.
Actually, I withdraw the wimp reference, you are a snowflake. You need a safe space away from what you think are nasty words but unfortunately you may not find one in a football stadium!
The English fans carry 'racially aggravated disorderly conduct' en masse and the Swansea fans engage in the 'abusive fun' with less offensive replies that are not racist in a football context.
You tolerate certain racist slurs as acceptable and other not. You views and the views of many others unfortunately does not tally with the law. Accusing someone of bestially is offensive in any culture anywhere in the world and is proven to be illegal in the UK associated with certain ethnic groups. I have presented two cases. The era of sheep slurs is coming to the end.
You cannot pick and chose what is racist or 'real racism' as you call it. It is defined in law.
If Swansea city want to promote "zero tolerance" which they claim they will have to deal with the sheep slur issues. If the accept sheep slurs are acceptable at the Swansea.com stadium then they should state the club is prepared to accept low level racial abuse.
I have pointed out low level abuse including sheep slurs in a undeveloped low intelligence mind can easily transition into more serious forms relating to monkey or slavery taunts. Is it a coincidence the Swansea club seem to have more racist incidents against it players than any other club?. Four at the latest count.
Why are Sky all over the 14 year old child in Dartford abusing Dhanda on line but say nothing over 20 or so drunks abusing a Welsh darts player with sheep sha##gger accusations while he is playing in one of their own tournaments.?
I challenge lazy narratives and fully expect to be called names.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 16:35 - Oct 10 by ReslovenSwan1
The English fans carry 'racially aggravated disorderly conduct' en masse and the Swansea fans engage in the 'abusive fun' with less offensive replies that are not racist in a football context.
You tolerate certain racist slurs as acceptable and other not. You views and the views of many others unfortunately does not tally with the law. Accusing someone of bestially is offensive in any culture anywhere in the world and is proven to be illegal in the UK associated with certain ethnic groups. I have presented two cases. The era of sheep slurs is coming to the end.
You cannot pick and chose what is racist or 'real racism' as you call it. It is defined in law.
If Swansea city want to promote "zero tolerance" which they claim they will have to deal with the sheep slur issues. If the accept sheep slurs are acceptable at the Swansea.com stadium then they should state the club is prepared to accept low level racial abuse.
I have pointed out low level abuse including sheep slurs in a undeveloped low intelligence mind can easily transition into more serious forms relating to monkey or slavery taunts. Is it a coincidence the Swansea club seem to have more racist incidents against it players than any other club?. Four at the latest count.
Why are Sky all over the 14 year old child in Dartford abusing Dhanda on line but say nothing over 20 or so drunks abusing a Welsh darts player with sheep sha##gger accusations while he is playing in one of their own tournaments.?
I challenge lazy narratives and fully expect to be called names.
Wales is not a race. If you want to claim xenophobia, fine, but it is not racial, not matter how you try to dress it up.
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 18:39 - Oct 10 with 1161 views
Hey Res, can you see the problem with what you've said?
I have pointed out low level abuse including sheep slurs in a undeveloped low intelligence mind can easily transition into more serious forms relating to monkey or slavery taunts. Is it a coincidence the Swansea club seem to have more racist incidents against it players than any other club?. Four at the latest count.
Now then, are you suggesting low intelligence minds are clever enough to target Swansea City players with racism because they've figured out we accept it? Which isn't true of course because it's not about being a Swansea supporter per se, it's about living in a country with more sheep than people but that country has roughly 20% non Welsh residents anyway. it's not racism. I remember a while back Tottenham fans got into trouble for calling THEMSELVES Yids, it's a common and accepted reference to the Jewish ownership and support of Spurs and it's not an insult in any way, that's like saying I'm being anti American if I call myself a Yank because we have American owners! The world has gone mad. Res, you carry on, feel free to see insult and racism at every turn (apart from apparently a 14 year old boy who made a genuinely racist comment, he's only 14 mun, let him off!) but it won't improve your life any. Maybe you've realised by now that we don't really give a hoot or pay any attention to the sheep inferences. Maybe you should consider that a 14 year old boy using real racist language has already progressed much further down the road than much older people shouting sheep stuff at us?
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 08:23 - Oct 10 by angryjack
Wow..the world's going mad ...suggesting walking off football pitches walking off darts,just because you get called names...get on with it we live in a society of babies and softness...honestly I don't understand it...even down to this gender crap...your either male or female, can't say man after certain titles like policeman or police woman, it really gets to me,that certain countries adhere to this,and we wonder why the youngsters today are snowflakes, some of you might have a go at me for this,and call me names,I can deal with that as maybe I'm in older generation and not a snowflake,
So monkey chants ok then. Why not Chuck in the oft used word to dehumanise black people too.
Snowflakes eh
Not long ago ,I was getting pelters for suggesting some Welsh Swansea people weren’t angels anymore than anywhere else .some if our crew are amongst the most offended anywhere .
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 17:27 - Oct 10 by Treforys_Jack
Wales is not a race. If you want to claim xenophobia, fine, but it is not racial, not matter how you try to dress it up.
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Your logic is clear but flawed. To prove to yourself and colleagues the sheep slurs are not 'racist' you declare Welsh people (Celts) are not a distinctive group. This is false We are. I do not declare you as racist. You simply do not understand the law.
Similarly in the eyes of the law referring to Welsh people in a derogatory manner is illegal under UK race hate laws. From what I have read the race hate laws are only seemingly applied by the police if it is the police or security staff that are targeted. This must change.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 18:39 - Oct 10 by Catullus
Hey Res, can you see the problem with what you've said?
I have pointed out low level abuse including sheep slurs in a undeveloped low intelligence mind can easily transition into more serious forms relating to monkey or slavery taunts. Is it a coincidence the Swansea club seem to have more racist incidents against it players than any other club?. Four at the latest count.
Now then, are you suggesting low intelligence minds are clever enough to target Swansea City players with racism because they've figured out we accept it? Which isn't true of course because it's not about being a Swansea supporter per se, it's about living in a country with more sheep than people but that country has roughly 20% non Welsh residents anyway. it's not racism. I remember a while back Tottenham fans got into trouble for calling THEMSELVES Yids, it's a common and accepted reference to the Jewish ownership and support of Spurs and it's not an insult in any way, that's like saying I'm being anti American if I call myself a Yank because we have American owners! The world has gone mad. Res, you carry on, feel free to see insult and racism at every turn (apart from apparently a 14 year old boy who made a genuinely racist comment, he's only 14 mun, let him off!) but it won't improve your life any. Maybe you've realised by now that we don't really give a hoot or pay any attention to the sheep inferences. Maybe you should consider that a 14 year old boy using real racist language has already progressed much further down the road than much older people shouting sheep stuff at us?
As I pointed out on another post people are going to jail for "aggravated racially disorderly behaviour". Note the word RACIALLY. Its is true that people do have to go pretty far out of the way fro this law to be activated but it is still a racial offence. The Police officers were Welsh not black not Asian not Jewish. They were Welsh.
If you enjoy "aggravated racially disorderly conduct" then that is your personal choice. I just do not see how you can criticise other people especially children that do the same with different targets. It also suggests that you do not agree with the club and the Trust's commitment to "zero tolerance".
I realise this is not easy to accept but times 'they are a changing'. 40 year ago I was at the Vetch watch the fans laugh at bananas being thrown at black players. Most of the Vetch found it hilarious. Almost all to a man they supported Gareth Edwards going on a Lions tour that was restricted to white skinned players only.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 12:54 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
Your logic is clear but flawed. To prove to yourself and colleagues the sheep slurs are not 'racist' you declare Welsh people (Celts) are not a distinctive group. This is false We are. I do not declare you as racist. You simply do not understand the law.
Similarly in the eyes of the law referring to Welsh people in a derogatory manner is illegal under UK race hate laws. From what I have read the race hate laws are only seemingly applied by the police if it is the police or security staff that are targeted. This must change.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 13:10 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
As I pointed out on another post people are going to jail for "aggravated racially disorderly behaviour". Note the word RACIALLY. Its is true that people do have to go pretty far out of the way fro this law to be activated but it is still a racial offence. The Police officers were Welsh not black not Asian not Jewish. They were Welsh.
If you enjoy "aggravated racially disorderly conduct" then that is your personal choice. I just do not see how you can criticise other people especially children that do the same with different targets. It also suggests that you do not agree with the club and the Trust's commitment to "zero tolerance".
I realise this is not easy to accept but times 'they are a changing'. 40 year ago I was at the Vetch watch the fans laugh at bananas being thrown at black players. Most of the Vetch found it hilarious. Almost all to a man they supported Gareth Edwards going on a Lions tour that was restricted to white skinned players only.
Wales is not a race.
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 17:31 - Oct 11 with 1035 views
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 13:45 - Oct 11 by onehunglow
No Celts are not. It’s because of the cross breeding with the English.
You stink of racism in this narrative.
Are you looking at a pure blood line . No future in that
Desperate stuff OHL. Only you talk of pure blood lines. it does not exist. Its spin. I have given 3 examples where people have been convicted of RACIALLY aggravated disorderly conduct. Two fines and one jailing.
Welsh Celts along with Irish and Scots are seen as a race Sub group of Indo European supported by general DNA markers and cultural aspects such as the language. The boundaries are getting blurred admittedly.
If you accuse any social economic group with its own culture of falsely participating in bestiality be prepared to face race hate laws of UK. It applies to Jews, Asians, Slavs and Celts. Te UK courts see lewd abuse of Welsh people as race hate, as I do.
Swansea city cannot promote "zero tolerance" without taking this aspect into account.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 17:31 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
Desperate stuff OHL. Only you talk of pure blood lines. it does not exist. Its spin. I have given 3 examples where people have been convicted of RACIALLY aggravated disorderly conduct. Two fines and one jailing.
Welsh Celts along with Irish and Scots are seen as a race Sub group of Indo European supported by general DNA markers and cultural aspects such as the language. The boundaries are getting blurred admittedly.
If you accuse any social economic group with its own culture of falsely participating in bestiality be prepared to face race hate laws of UK. It applies to Jews, Asians, Slavs and Celts. Te UK courts see lewd abuse of Welsh people as race hate, as I do.
Swansea city cannot promote "zero tolerance" without taking this aspect into account.
Desperate is what you are matey. You are the one suggesting blood lines
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 13:54 - Oct 11 by Treforys_Jack
Wales is not a race.
Wales is not a race correct. It is a principality of the UK with its own language and limited form of home rule with a culture, flag and anthem. The populace have a high proportion of people perceived to be of Celtic or 'ancient British' origins. Accusing these people "as a whole" of deviancy goes against UK race hate law whether you like it or not.
When fans chant "we know what we are" (sheep shaggers) they are taking part in aggravated racial disorderly conduct. These fans who persist therefore promote low level racial discriminatory behaviour and clearly do not conform with "zero tolerance" stance of the club. At some pint this problem will have to be addressed.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 17:44 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
Wales is not a race correct. It is a principality of the UK with its own language and limited form of home rule with a culture, flag and anthem. The populace have a high proportion of people perceived to be of Celtic or 'ancient British' origins. Accusing these people "as a whole" of deviancy goes against UK race hate law whether you like it or not.
When fans chant "we know what we are" (sheep shaggers) they are taking part in aggravated racial disorderly conduct. These fans who persist therefore promote low level racial discriminatory behaviour and clearly do not conform with "zero tolerance" stance of the club. At some pint this problem will have to be addressed.
So it can't be racial if Wales is not a race. Not matter what you or few people desperate to be offended think. Hate speech, xenophobia, yeah fine, but stop trying to tie it to proper racism, because that is offensive.
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 21:24 - Oct 11 with 982 views
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 18:42 - Oct 11 by Treforys_Jack
So it can't be racial if Wales is not a race. Not matter what you or few people desperate to be offended think. Hate speech, xenophobia, yeah fine, but stop trying to tie it to proper racism, because that is offensive.
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It is he law of this country. If you abuse a minority group with lewd word and taunts you are breaking the law. Welsh are a well a know minority group with a culture flag rugnby team and football team. These are hate crimes in the UK.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 21:24 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
It is he law of this country. If you abuse a minority group with lewd word and taunts you are breaking the law. Welsh are a well a know minority group with a culture flag rugnby team and football team. These are hate crimes in the UK.
Your opinion does not matter.
How on earth are we a minority group?
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 22:29 - Oct 11 with 969 views
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 21:46 - Oct 11 by Gwyn737
How on earth are we a minority group?
UK population is 68m. Wales's population is 3m. (4.4%) A minority. About 5% are Asian or Afro Caribbean.
Any abuse of minorities needs to be discouraged and dealt with severely in my opinion. Welsh darts players boxers and football players should not be taunted with sheep noises and violent threatening abuse. There are quite a few apologists that accept this as a birthright. Things are changing and the N word P word and anti irish abuse are no longer tolerated. From what I can see Welsh abuse is the last free hit for racists left.
Gerwyn asked for protection and EUFA style protocols for darts. He has not complained at racial abuse yet but I know where he is coming from.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 20:26 - Oct 9 by max936
Behave yourself for gods sake mun.
I'm not a sheep shagger, but I don't care a f..k if them across the bridge care to call me one, its called having a sense of perspective, try it, trust me it works.
It works both ways as well
I don’t wait to have a crap on the English side of the bridge
England is not really full of s***
& if I am honest I don’t really believe Swansea are the greatest team in football the world has ever seen.
We have a few snowflakes watching the Swans for sure.
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 10:14 - Oct 12 with 911 views
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 07:38 - Oct 12 by pencoedjack
It works both ways as well
I don’t wait to have a crap on the English side of the bridge
England is not really full of s***
& if I am honest I don’t really believe Swansea are the greatest team in football the world has ever seen.
We have a few snowflakes watching the Swans for sure.
No more full of sxit than Swansea or Wales for sure. That winds up the likes of lifeling and the Res who see it their job to "defend" Wales against what they see as insults. By and large,this country is split urban and rural. THAT is the biggest divide.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 22:29 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
UK population is 68m. Wales's population is 3m. (4.4%) A minority. About 5% are Asian or Afro Caribbean.
Any abuse of minorities needs to be discouraged and dealt with severely in my opinion. Welsh darts players boxers and football players should not be taunted with sheep noises and violent threatening abuse. There are quite a few apologists that accept this as a birthright. Things are changing and the N word P word and anti irish abuse are no longer tolerated. From what I can see Welsh abuse is the last free hit for racists left.
Gerwyn asked for protection and EUFA style protocols for darts. He has not complained at racial abuse yet but I know where he is coming from.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 21:24 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
It is he law of this country. If you abuse a minority group with lewd word and taunts you are breaking the law. Welsh are a well a know minority group with a culture flag rugnby team and football team. These are hate crimes in the UK.
Your opinion does not matter.
So it's a hate crime not a racist crime , you got there in the end, not so hard was it.
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 13:04 - Oct 12 with 877 views
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 11:50 - Oct 12 by Treforys_Jack
So it's a hate crime not a racist crime , you got there in the end, not so hard was it.
Not good enough Trevorys. The law is clear.
I have presented on this forum three cases where sheep slurs have lead to convictions. Two fines and one jailing. The convictions were for "aggravated RACIAL disorderly conduct".
You may not regard the Celtic people of Wales a race but her Majesties government and her judicial system do. Here is some reading for you.
I want to see Welsh sporting hero s go bout the business without being taunted with sheep slurs. I do not really understand why you want to defend the rights of bigots.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 22:29 - Oct 11 by ReslovenSwan1
UK population is 68m. Wales's population is 3m. (4.4%) A minority. About 5% are Asian or Afro Caribbean.
Any abuse of minorities needs to be discouraged and dealt with severely in my opinion. Welsh darts players boxers and football players should not be taunted with sheep noises and violent threatening abuse. There are quite a few apologists that accept this as a birthright. Things are changing and the N word P word and anti irish abuse are no longer tolerated. From what I can see Welsh abuse is the last free hit for racists left.
Gerwyn asked for protection and EUFA style protocols for darts. He has not complained at racial abuse yet but I know where he is coming from.
Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 13:04 - Oct 12 by ReslovenSwan1
Not good enough Trevorys. The law is clear.
I have presented on this forum three cases where sheep slurs have lead to convictions. Two fines and one jailing. The convictions were for "aggravated RACIAL disorderly conduct".
You may not regard the Celtic people of Wales a race but her Majesties government and her judicial system do. Here is some reading for you.
I want to see Welsh sporting hero s go bout the business without being taunted with sheep slurs. I do not really understand why you want to defend the rights of bigots.
Gerwyn encourages it, he uses it as motivation, he is the panto villain, its nothing new.
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 15:34 - Oct 12 with 848 views
What about fans of Welsh football clubs who aren't Welsh? And Welsh internationals who aren't Welsh? One of our American fans or Vinne Jones for example.
Does calling them a sheep shagger constitute "aggravated racial disorderly conduct"? Or do they not count as fans or players when this is chanted at the team they represent or support?
Do you really think that is comparable to Sako, Rashford and Sancho being abused after an England game?
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Was a Welsh player disrespected last night then? Yes but not in east Europe. on 16:07 - Oct 12 with 841 views
When Res talks about the population of Wales does he take into account not everybody resident here is Welsh and that there are thousands of Welsh people living in England? How many actual Welsh people there are who knows.
When other fans call us sheep botherers, what about all those non Welsh fans who support the Swans?
It really doesn't compare with using the N or C word to black players.
Not for nothing is the saying "the law is an ass" quite popular.
Myself and my mates (and I'm sure many others on here) call each other worse things than sheep s*****r. Maybe we should all be charged with racially aggravated abuse of each other.
Edit, why are we allowing the term racism to be used so readily for things that aren't racism, when did the law become an umbrella for any and every abuse?
If someone abuses Jews, it's not racism it's anti Semitism, if they abuse Muslims it's Islamophobia, if they abuse Aussies or yanks or the Irish it's xenophobia but somehow making sheep noises is racist? Bizarre really.
Calling Celts a race is just wrong too, a DNA study of Britons has shown that genetically there is not a unique Celtic group of people in the UK. According to the data, those of Celtic ancestry in Scotland and Cornwall are more similar to the English than they are to other Celtic groups. So we are all just white people, black people, asians.
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