| Anti-Semitism in Football 22:18 - Jul 27 with 5847 views | Kerouac |
Let's kick it out shall we...
I for one want to know what our club intends to do about it.
I am proposing that before every game, after the obligatory kneeling, our players turn towards the fans and beat their chests with their right fist over their heart for 10 seconds.
Do my fellow Jacks agree?
If not, why not?
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:39 - Jul 28 with 677 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:27 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
I support our team, if they choose to do so, making a stand against ALL racism and ALL xenophobia whenever and wherever they decide to do so.
If a player organised a protest in castle square, I'd support it. Why does it just have to be at matches, can't we fight aainst racism wherever we are? |
...but that protest has to involve the BLM kneeling gesture right?
We can't change the gesture now, AFTER TWO YEARS, to the Jewish gesture of beating one's own chest?
If people who wish for footballers to make political gestures and support an anti-racism stance know that most of the country are fully aware that the kneeling was a BLM thing and find BLM abhorrent...why then would they not be up for changing the gesture?
After all, it divides us doesn't it.
I think the answer is that they would rather have people (in the team) meekly comply against their will and people in the stands be silent (at risk of being thrown out) because what it was all about all along was power.
Forcing people to comply because 'we say so and we have power'.
Prove me wrong. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:40 - Jul 28 with 677 views | jackrmee |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:33 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
...but our fan base and the population DO need to have their views altered re: the BLM kneeling right?
You have accused Israel, a country formed after 6 million + of their people were exterminated - murdered in cold blood, women and children - by the Germans...brainwashed by the National Socialist Party (they enjoyed a bit of censorship, banning, shutting down debate, medical compulsion etc.) of committing the same crimes as the Nazis.
Your words.
You have not justified that statement.
You support kneeling before every game to raise awareness of racism but do not want our players to do anything about anti-semitism, despite government figures that show attacks against Jews are on the rise....
...and you have nothing to learn from anybody, but we should all take morality lessons from footballers who support BLM.
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I haven't said I don't want people to raise awareness of anti semitism. I haven't said anything about whether I agree with kneeling etc.
I really don't care what the players do. Totally up to them.
All I said is that anti semitism is surely covered by the kneeling for racism. I was told I was wrong, somaybe they should just say they are now kneeling for racism and also religion-ism? (or whatever the real name is).
And I have not said I have nothing to learn from anybody. I have plenty to learn.
I said I am not anti seitic and I don't need to change my views. |  |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:45 - Jul 28 with 673 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:30 - Jul 28 by jackrmee |
My opinion is different to many others.
Yes, all countries are capable of evil. I haven't looked into every country's foreign policy, but personally, I do not like the way certain countries conduct themselves.
That includes mostly Israel, UK, US, Saudi Arabia, off the top of my head.
I do not blame the muslims for what Saudi do. I do not blame Christians for how UK and US conduct themselves around the world. And I don't blame Jews for the disgusting stuff the people in Israel do.
I love all religions.
So please tell me, how is that anti semitic?
I think that people like me are being branded anti semitic. I wonder why people would want to do that? |
Read back, I did not brand you anti-semitic. I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
I think, if you did a balance sheet of crimes committed by different people's/countries around the world, you would struggle to justify the statements you make.
Maybe that's why you don't put forward a proper argument, listing the crimes of each country.
As you don't do that but continue to make those assertions I put it to you that you have an inherent bias and hold Israel to a much higher standard than you do other countries...and frankly ignore the awful crimes committed against them...therefore the accusation of Anti-Semite might fit. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:51 - Jul 28 with 654 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 16:54 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
...but to be clear, you don't support our players making a gesture before every game to raise awareness of the problem of anti-semitism, correct? |
The point I was trying to make earlier was whether the taking the knee would cover anti-semitism.
It wasn’t rhetorical, it was a genuine question because anyone without agenda would clearly know by now that the current gesture footballers make is linked to whatever incarnation of Kick it Out is now present. |  | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:56 - Jul 28 with 650 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 16:54 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
...but to be clear, you don't support our players making a gesture before every game to raise awareness of the problem of anti-semitism, correct? |
No evidence then?
As to the other point if the players decided to make a gesture supporting anti-semitism I would support them as I would for group I feel could benefit.
As for taking the knee I think it’s pretty pointless but if the players want to do it, then crack on.
This of course is based on taking the knee for rejecting discrimination and not supporting a very specific American political movement. Which it isn’t any more. | | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:58 - Jul 28 with 649 views | Catullus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 16:48 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
Israel are "evil"(!!!).
That, my friend is an incredible statement, incredible.
if somebody made a statement like that about BLM they would have been drummed off the board, banned...you'd have had all the 'intelligentsia' howling for your blood....but I digress...
...more evil than any other country on the planet?
What makes them uniquely evil? |
Some people did basically say just that about BLM and they weren't banned. They were attacked by all the rampant slightly further lefties though.
The message remains the same long after BLm have been discredited, ALL racism is wrong. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:58 - Jul 28 with 647 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:51 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
The point I was trying to make earlier was whether the taking the knee would cover anti-semitism.
It wasn’t rhetorical, it was a genuine question because anyone without agenda would clearly know by now that the current gesture footballers make is linked to whatever incarnation of Kick it Out is now present. |
No, they wouldn't. We have just been through that and even on this thread we had people who support the gesture admit that it started off as a BLM thing...we all remember the BLM logo in the top corner of the Sky screens also.
That is reality, you need to deal in it otherwise you are not engaging in honest conversations.
Doubt me? I'm being too harsh?
Go out your front door, take a walk to the shop and ask the first 10 people you meet (you can say you are doing a study) why people kneel for anti-racism.
Most of them, if not all of them, will mention BLM.
Them's the facts, you don't get to have your own facts...your own opinions but not your own facts.
You still have not answered whether you would support changing the gesture at this point to be one focused on Anti-Semitism? [Post edited 28 Jul 2022 18:00]
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:01 - Jul 28 with 642 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:05 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
Of course there is a connection to it, people have admitted as much on here.
It was a short time ago, we all remember what happened.
What you're arguing here is akin to somebody arguing that;
'the Nazi salute has nothing to do with the Nazis because we have re-branded it, we still agree with the objectives of National Socialism, but we have now disavowed the Nazi party...after originally supporting them...now everybody must do the salute, otherwise they are a racist!'
...which wouldn't make any sense and funnily enough neither does your attempt to airbrush BLM from the kneeling for racism nonsense.
"The rules are simple: They lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying but they keep lying anyway, and we keep pretending to believe them" |
When the players who are kneeling specifically say why they’re doing it, commentators clarify the reasons for it before kick off and it’s even captioned on screen, telling them they’re wrong seems a bit daft.
As does comparing pretty much anything to nazi germany. | | | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:04 - Jul 28 with 638 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:58 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
No, they wouldn't. We have just been through that and even on this thread we had people who support the gesture admit that it started off as a BLM thing...we all remember the BLM logo in the top corner of the Sky screens also.
That is reality, you need to deal in it otherwise you are not engaging in honest conversations.
Doubt me? I'm being too harsh?
Go out your front door, take a walk to the shop and ask the first 10 people you meet (you can say you are doing a study) why people kneel for anti-racism.
Most of them, if not all of them, will mention BLM.
Them's the facts, you don't get to have your own facts...your own opinions but not your own facts.
You still have not answered whether you would support changing the gesture at this point to be one focused on Anti-Semitism? [Post edited 28 Jul 2022 18:00]
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Yes I have.
Anything else you want me to qualify a supporting gesture for? The answer would generally be I’m happy for the players to do what they want, as long as they have the choice. | | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:05 - Jul 28 with 637 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 16:54 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
...but to be clear, you don't support our players making a gesture before every game to raise awareness of the problem of anti-semitism, correct? |
Any evidence of what you’ve accused me of?
I’ve answered all your questions… | | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:05 - Jul 28 with 637 views | Catullus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:51 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
The point I was trying to make earlier was whether the taking the knee would cover anti-semitism.
It wasn’t rhetorical, it was a genuine question because anyone without agenda would clearly know by now that the current gesture footballers make is linked to whatever incarnation of Kick it Out is now present. |
Funny how some people insist taking the knee is still about BLM..
We (well the vast majority of us) stood on our doorsteps and clapped for the NHS bu nobody insists that every time we clap it's for the NHS.
It's like some people (with obvious agendas) think the rest of us aren't clever enough to understand.
For clarity, taking the knee used to be to support BLM and many of us objected to that. Taking the knee now is about kicking racism out, including anti Semitism. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:12 - Jul 28 with 632 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:05 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
Funny how some people insist taking the knee is still about BLM..
We (well the vast majority of us) stood on our doorsteps and clapped for the NHS bu nobody insists that every time we clap it's for the NHS.
It's like some people (with obvious agendas) think the rest of us aren't clever enough to understand.
For clarity, taking the knee used to be to support BLM and many of us objected to that. Taking the knee now is about kicking racism out, including anti Semitism. |
That’s what I thought but also I asked the question to see if there was anyone who’d expand on it.
I didn’t expect to end up as an anti-Semite… | | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:13 - Jul 28 with 631 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:05 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
Funny how some people insist taking the knee is still about BLM..
We (well the vast majority of us) stood on our doorsteps and clapped for the NHS bu nobody insists that every time we clap it's for the NHS.
It's like some people (with obvious agendas) think the rest of us aren't clever enough to understand.
For clarity, taking the knee used to be to support BLM and many of us objected to that. Taking the knee now is about kicking racism out, including anti Semitism. |
I never clapped for the NHS (a pointless gesture), I do contribute a lot of tax for the NHS though (based in reality). | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:15 - Jul 28 with 629 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:12 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
That’s what I thought but also I asked the question to see if there was anyone who’d expand on it.
I didn’t expect to end up as an anti-Semite… |
Who called you an anti-semite?
It is strange how you are happy with kneeling, happy with the association with BLM (so long as it's been rebranded) but not happy with changing the gesture to support the anti-semitism problem though. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:16 - Jul 28 with 628 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:05 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
Funny how some people insist taking the knee is still about BLM..
We (well the vast majority of us) stood on our doorsteps and clapped for the NHS bu nobody insists that every time we clap it's for the NHS.
It's like some people (with obvious agendas) think the rest of us aren't clever enough to understand.
For clarity, taking the knee used to be to support BLM and many of us objected to that. Taking the knee now is about kicking racism out, including anti Semitism. |
"For clarity, taking the knee used to be to support BLM and many of us objected to that. Taking the knee now is about kicking racism out, including anti Semitism."
..."for clarity", that is hilarious mate, fair play. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:49 - Jul 28 with 602 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:56 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
No evidence then?
As to the other point if the players decided to make a gesture supporting anti-semitism I would support them as I would for group I feel could benefit.
As for taking the knee I think it’s pretty pointless but if the players want to do it, then crack on.
This of course is based on taking the knee for rejecting discrimination and not supporting a very specific American political movement. Which it isn’t any more. |
Well Gwyn, I can't be bothered to go right back to 2020, busy, but I will say this...
I have always thought of you as a decent bloke on the Left, which is great 'cos there aren't too many about, but unfortunately I think of those like you on the Left in the same manner as I think of the tolerant Western Muslim.
Tolerant Western Muslims may be proponents of a religion which is the antithesis of what our culture has always stood for, they may stand silent in the Mosque and think 'that's a bit much' as someone rants about the West...but they don't do anything to stop the more extreme elements pushing for more, more, more...ultimately they are still part of an ideology and a culture where the vast majority says that homosexuals must not be allowed to teach in the classroom (for example)...they don't fight back and ultimately they are the people who are excusing and allowing for the direction of travel...
Here you are celebrating how the announcer at a stadium worded the announcement of 'the kneel' so that any player who disagreed with kneeling could not remain standing as clearly that would make him a racist...
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:55 - Jul 28 with 595 views | Flashberryjack |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:05 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
Funny how some people insist taking the knee is still about BLM..
We (well the vast majority of us) stood on our doorsteps and clapped for the NHS bu nobody insists that every time we clap it's for the NHS.
It's like some people (with obvious agendas) think the rest of us aren't clever enough to understand.
For clarity, taking the knee used to be to support BLM and many of us objected to that. Taking the knee now is about kicking racism out, including anti Semitism. |
Taking the knee will always be associated with BLM, whether they raise a clenched fist or not.
Maybe common sense will prevail.
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 19:09 - Jul 28 with 568 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 18:49 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
Well Gwyn, I can't be bothered to go right back to 2020, busy, but I will say this...
I have always thought of you as a decent bloke on the Left, which is great 'cos there aren't too many about, but unfortunately I think of those like you on the Left in the same manner as I think of the tolerant Western Muslim.
Tolerant Western Muslims may be proponents of a religion which is the antithesis of what our culture has always stood for, they may stand silent in the Mosque and think 'that's a bit much' as someone rants about the West...but they don't do anything to stop the more extreme elements pushing for more, more, more...ultimately they are still part of an ideology and a culture where the vast majority says that homosexuals must not be allowed to teach in the classroom (for example)...they don't fight back and ultimately they are the people who are excusing and allowing for the direction of travel...
Here you are celebrating how the announcer at a stadium worded the announcement of 'the kneel' so that any player who disagreed with kneeling could not remain standing as clearly that would make him a racist...
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I am a decent bloke 😉
Here’s word for word what I posted:
I agree that some are keen for the message to be mixed on both sides. I’ve said many times on here I think kneeling has no power and the message would be helped by on alternative.
However, at Brighton yesterday the announcer (and I can remember the exact words so I’m paraphrasing but it’s pretty close) said “the players who choose to are about to kneel. This is not political gesture but a sign of unity to say there is no room for racism in our game”.
Even if you think they’re wrong to do it, why on earth would you boo that?
Some have suggested that it would all stop when crowds return but so far booing has been in the minority and only really audible in the more UKIPy parts of the country.
I stand by that but I’ll leave too others to decide whether your interpretation of the post in your last paragraph is accurate. | | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 19:47 - Jul 28 with 541 views | builthjack |
Perhaps the players should get on the pitch at 1.00pm and give the whole clap, bow and whatever else to every race and religion. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:29 - Jul 28 with 498 views | Kerouac |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 19:47 - Jul 28 by builthjack |
Perhaps the players should get on the pitch at 1.00pm and give the whole clap, bow and whatever else to every race and religion. |
Why not?
After all, a precedent has been set. Why do we support some worthy causes and not others. It is a question there is no satisfactory answer too other than 'political correctness'.
Certain political stances are allowed, encouraged, raised up and some are not...when you analyse 'why' you find that the only difference between whether the public are bullied into accepting something or not is whether those doing the bullying are on the Left or not.
That is the plain truth that all implicitly understand.
How long should we support our players kneeling for BLM before every fixture for.
Is this going to go on forever?
When it stops will any other political gestures be adopted and given a turn?
Will those on the Left ever be forced to comply with politics at sport that makes them feel uncomfortable?
Or does it just go one way? | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:34 - Jul 28 with 480 views | onehunglow |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:29 - Jul 28 by Kerouac |
Why not?
After all, a precedent has been set. Why do we support some worthy causes and not others. It is a question there is no satisfactory answer too other than 'political correctness'.
Certain political stances are allowed, encouraged, raised up and some are not...when you analyse 'why' you find that the only difference between whether the public are bullied into accepting something or not is whether those doing the bullying are on the Left or not.
That is the plain truth that all implicitly understand.
How long should we support our players kneeling for BLM before every fixture for.
Is this going to go on forever?
When it stops will any other political gestures be adopted and given a turn?
Will those on the Left ever be forced to comply with politics at sport that makes them feel uncomfortable?
Or does it just go one way? |
Why not a Cymanfa Ganu before our home games
All religions or none at all. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:37 - Jul 28 with 476 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 17:15 - Jul 28 by Catullus |
He's like DrP, he insists the link can't be broken. He thinks that people are too stupid to understand what's been going on.
Maybe, Kerouac, you should dig out my posts abuot BLM where I agreed with Dr P that they were bad. Posts that got me called racist. Many times I said "all lives matter" which again got me called racist many times.
Racism is wrong, whoever it's from, whoever it's directed at, it's wrong. It should be called out and argued against at every incidence of it. |
You ask the players what the knee is for and I’m sure many would respond “BLM”.
It isn’t just a link, the knee is BLM.
I even type it in here and look at the emoji that comes up… BLM
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:49 - Jul 28 with 468 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:37 - Jul 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
You ask the players what the knee is for and I’m sure many would respond “BLM”.
It isn’t just a link, the knee is BLM.
I even type it in here and look at the emoji that comes up… BLM
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So a fist comes up? Not a knee? | | | |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:56 - Jul 28 with 461 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:49 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
So a fist comes up? Not a knee? |
Fists like these you mean?
As I said at the time, if they don’t want a BLM link… don’t use a BLM gesture. | |
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| Anti-Semitism in Football on 22:04 - Jul 28 with 446 views | Gwyn737 |
| Anti-Semitism in Football on 21:56 - Jul 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Fists like these you mean?
As I said at the time, if they don’t want a BLM link… don’t use a BLM gesture. |
Some may have chosen too but I’d wager a minority. I’d also like to know the dates of those photos.
Maybe I’m wrong. We’ll see after Saturday and going forward. | | | |
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