| RMT Strikes 09:40 - Nov 23 with 32116 views | 1983 |
Check before you travel folks is going to be a carve up for Christmas and NY [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 9:40]
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| RMT Strikes on 18:19 - Dec 13 with 1240 views | shingle |
| RMT Strikes on 11:19 - Dec 13 by onehunglow |
Doing what a fire fighter does would kill many 60 yr olds . Same applies to the Police. Imagine chSin* on foot some scrote who then wants to fight you with a weapon .
Then ,having arrested the said scrote ,to be faced with a learned counsel making you doubt 6ur very existence and all this at 60.
I can still handle myself even at 72 but many men and women are physically shot at 50.
Look at the obese around our towns hardly able to walk |
Saying you can still handle yourself on a public forum properly means you may be a little insecure because you have never been able to handle yourself otherwise why say it.  |  | | |
| RMT Strikes on 18:21 - Dec 13 with 1233 views | shingle |
| RMT Strikes on 11:26 - Dec 13 by controversial_jack |
I was doing full level A hazmat training at 59, rolling out hoses etc and climbing stairs. not a problem.Not something i enjoyed, but it was part of my job and had to be done |
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| RMT Strikes on 18:28 - Dec 13 with 1221 views | onehunglow |
| RMT Strikes on 18:19 - Dec 13 by shingle |
Saying you can still handle yourself on a public forum properly means you may be a little insecure because you have never been able to handle yourself otherwise why say it. |
You need to handle things better ,son | |
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| RMT Strikes on 18:44 - Dec 13 with 1209 views | controversial_jack |
| RMT Strikes on 18:21 - Dec 13 by shingle |
Oh dear another one. |
Another one, What? | | | |
| RMT Strikes on 19:25 - Dec 13 with 1188 views | Boundy |
| RMT Strikes on 18:21 - Dec 13 by shingle |
Oh dear another one. |
All relative to your working life I suppose , I was still climbing pylons when I was 55, now still climbing working on wind turbines at 65 , I'll be retiring next year .maybe , because I can can choose to do so or not | |
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| RMT Strikes on 19:28 - Dec 13 with 1187 views | Fireboy2 |
| RMT Strikes on 15:47 - Dec 13 by krunchykarrot |
I believe it was Gordon Brown not this government who put pensions in the shitter. |
It was definitely this government that diluted our pension. |  | | |
| RMT Strikes on 20:31 - Dec 13 with 1159 views | controversial_jack |
| RMT Strikes on 19:28 - Dec 13 by Fireboy2 |
It was definitely this government that diluted our pension. |
The govt doesn't set or dictate private pension schemes.Many companies decided to no longer fund the final salary schemed | | | |
| RMT Strikes on 20:59 - Dec 13 with 1140 views | Fireboy2 |
| RMT Strikes on 20:31 - Dec 13 by controversial_jack |
The govt doesn't set or dictate private pension schemes.Many companies decided to no longer fund the final salary schemed |
I know that my pension isn't private CJ. | | | |
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| RMT Strikes on 21:02 - Dec 13 with 1133 views | controversial_jack |
| RMT Strikes on 20:59 - Dec 13 by Fireboy2 |
I know that my pension isn't private CJ. |
Doesn't an independant company manage it? | | | |
| RMT Strikes on 21:12 - Dec 13 with 1134 views | Flashberryjack |
| RMT Strikes on 19:28 - Dec 13 by Fireboy2 |
It was definitely this government that diluted our pension. |
January 2006 Prime Minister Tony Blair
The Government wants to cut firefighters’ pension provision so that:
- Their normal retirement age will rise, from 2013, from 50 to 55.
- Provisions for early retirement from ill health will be worsened.
- All new recruits after April 2006 will join a completely new pension scheme, with much lower benefits. |  |
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| RMT Strikes on 21:16 - Dec 13 with 1123 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| RMT Strikes on 20:31 - Dec 13 by controversial_jack |
The govt doesn't set or dictate private pension schemes.Many companies decided to no longer fund the final salary schemed |
Yes, tax benefits of funding final salary schemes were slashed by Brown and then the rot set in. Most private sector schemes are average salary or money purchase schemes now. |  |
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| RMT Strikes on 21:43 - Dec 13 with 1103 views | onehunglow |
| RMT Strikes on 19:28 - Dec 13 by Fireboy2 |
It was definitely this government that diluted our pension. |
Not so with Police
It was May [Post edited 13 Dec 2022 21:43]
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| RMT Strikes on 22:59 - Dec 13 with 1065 views | Fireboy2 |
| RMT Strikes on 21:12 - Dec 13 by Flashberryjack |
January 2006 Prime Minister Tony Blair
The Government wants to cut firefighters’ pension provision so that:
- Their normal retirement age will rise, from 2013, from 50 to 55.
- Provisions for early retirement from ill health will be worsened.
- All new recruits after April 2006 will join a completely new pension scheme, with much lower benefits. |
Very true, blair was hated by firefighters for what he did but it was this government who took it to a different level when they targeted a certain % for which we went on strike in 2012/13, a fight we won in a court battle over age discrimination. | | | |
| RMT Strikes on 07:19 - Dec 14 with 1027 views | BryanSwan |
| RMT Strikes on 12:14 - Dec 13 by pencoedjack |
Not for a minute do I think its a charity case.
Obviously as with any profession if you feel you are going to retire early you make provisions whether that be in pensions/property or do a course on your days off to allow you to continue working after you leave the fire service.
Move back to South Wales I know quite a few fireman who work on their days off in a trade they have picked up which they continue when they have retired to top up their decent pension.
Unfortunately those of us in the private sector are not here to look after those in the public sector if they choose to retire early.
Life's a bitch for us all. |
Why does everything always have to be sht for everyone, why is that always the answer?
I have to work to 67, everyone else should struggle and do that too.
Maybe if the pension age was more appropriate there would be more positions for young people to progress, a lot of occupations are stuffed full of oldies blocking any change for the youth. | |
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| RMT Strikes on 08:05 - Dec 14 with 1007 views | pencoedjack |
| RMT Strikes on 07:19 - Dec 14 by BryanSwan |
Why does everything always have to be sht for everyone, why is that always the answer?
I have to work to 67, everyone else should struggle and do that too.
Maybe if the pension age was more appropriate there would be more positions for young people to progress, a lot of occupations are stuffed full of oldies blocking any change for the youth. |
Who pays for it? You happy to pay more tax to retire early? People are living longer & there is not a money tree at the bottom of the garden.
I’ve planned for retirement by paying into my pension & investing wisely, I won’t be working when I’m 67.
No point people moaning about it when they get to your 50s it’s not like it’s something you don’t know is going to happen.
Too many people in this country want something for nothing. |  | | |
| RMT Strikes on 08:55 - Dec 14 with 995 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Successive governments have eroded pensions starting with Brown who made final salary schemes too expensive for businesses.
The issue is that it take a generation for these policy changes to hit. The root cause of the problem is an ageing population that lives longer.
So instead of legislation boosting pension provision, successive governments; Labour, Conservative and Coalition governments have eroded benefits and now people are waking up, but it's too late. Public sector pensions and the NHS bill for our aging and unwell population are not affordable without an ongoing increase in taxes.
Taxing the very wealthy won't work as they are very mobile, £300,000 gets you a golden visa in the EU (Portugal) where the retired pay a nominal tax rate.
Expect the masses to be taxed and taxed again. | |
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| RMT Strikes on 08:56 - Dec 14 with 994 views | Boundy |
| RMT Strikes on 08:05 - Dec 14 by pencoedjack |
Who pays for it? You happy to pay more tax to retire early? People are living longer & there is not a money tree at the bottom of the garden.
I’ve planned for retirement by paying into my pension & investing wisely, I won’t be working when I’m 67.
No point people moaning about it when they get to your 50s it’s not like it’s something you don’t know is going to happen.
Too many people in this country want something for nothing. |
Have to agree with a lot of your points. youngsters ( god I sound old) are quite happy to stroll through life thinking old age isn't going to happen ,to them but then surprised when realisation kicks in that it will . That's not just this generation, its been a reoccurring theme for decades. There's a few reasons a lot of occupations are stuffed full of oldies is because they didn't make allowances for their future.but also because for a lot of people work defines who they are . I know I couldn't survive purely on my forthcoming state pension so I understand why for a lot the future is frightening but to expect the state to provide when in theory people have had 40 + years to plan for their future .It would be great if the state pension could maintain peoples life styles but it ain't ever going to happen , just take a look at the state of Greece's economy, partly due to their previous policy on state funded pensions | |
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| RMT Strikes on 09:19 - Dec 14 with 984 views | BryanSwan |
| RMT Strikes on 08:05 - Dec 14 by pencoedjack |
Who pays for it? You happy to pay more tax to retire early? People are living longer & there is not a money tree at the bottom of the garden.
I’ve planned for retirement by paying into my pension & investing wisely, I won’t be working when I’m 67.
No point people moaning about it when they get to your 50s it’s not like it’s something you don’t know is going to happen.
Too many people in this country want something for nothing. |
State pensions will more than likely go up again soon, they want us all working to the grave so they can keep the cash to filter to their already rich mates.
Maybe priorities should change, less trident, HS2 etc, more healthcare, pension provisions etc.
Something for nothing?, when most have worked from 18 to 60 they should more than be entitled to retire. It wont matter to me, but i would rather things improve for others. Seen enough people pop their cloggs at late 50s early 60s never using a penny theyve paid into and never enjoying any retirement. | |
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| RMT Strikes on 09:44 - Dec 14 with 974 views | raynor94 |
| RMT Strikes on 08:05 - Dec 14 by pencoedjack |
Who pays for it? You happy to pay more tax to retire early? People are living longer & there is not a money tree at the bottom of the garden.
I’ve planned for retirement by paying into my pension & investing wisely, I won’t be working when I’m 67.
No point people moaning about it when they get to your 50s it’s not like it’s something you don’t know is going to happen.
Too many people in this country want something for nothing. |
Hard to disagree with any of that |  |
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| RMT Strikes on 10:21 - Dec 14 with 953 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| RMT Strikes on 08:05 - Dec 14 by pencoedjack |
Who pays for it? You happy to pay more tax to retire early? People are living longer & there is not a money tree at the bottom of the garden.
I’ve planned for retirement by paying into my pension & investing wisely, I won’t be working when I’m 67.
No point people moaning about it when they get to your 50s it’s not like it’s something you don’t know is going to happen.
Too many people in this country want something for nothing. |
My old man told me pretty clearly on many occasions, if you rely on any government to solve your issues you'll only be disappointed.
He's not been proved wrong. | |
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| RMT Strikes on 10:24 - Dec 14 with 949 views | onehunglow |
| RMT Strikes on 10:21 - Dec 14 by JACKMANANDBOY |
My old man told me pretty clearly on many occasions, if you rely on any government to solve your issues you'll only be disappointed.
He's not been proved wrong. |
He was wise indeed.
My old fella was cut off the same cloth.
Rely on nobody but yourself and assume nothing
Millions live lives relying on the state for everything from cradle to grave with no sense of responsibility whatsoever | |
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| RMT Strikes (n/t) on 10:28 - Dec 14 with 947 views | controversial_jack |
Most countries in the EU seem to have retirement ages lower than we do , with more generous state pensions too. I wonder how they can do it and we can't? [Post edited 14 Dec 2022 10:30]
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| RMT Strikes on 10:34 - Dec 14 with 946 views | raynor94 |
| RMT Strikes on 10:24 - Dec 14 by onehunglow |
He was wise indeed.
My old fella was cut off the same cloth.
Rely on nobody but yourself and assume nothing
Millions live lives relying on the state for everything from cradle to grave with no sense of responsibility whatsoever |
BBC Wales this week highlighting a single mother with 5 children, she had her first at seventeen.
It's the children I feel sorry for, they didn't ask to be brought into this world.
I doubt she will ever work a day in her life, as you say far to many rely on the state | |
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| RMT Strikes (n/t) on 11:41 - Dec 14 with 930 views | felixstowe_jack |
| RMT Strikes (n/t) on 10:28 - Dec 14 by controversial_jack |
Most countries in the EU seem to have retirement ages lower than we do , with more generous state pensions too. I wonder how they can do it and we can't? [Post edited 14 Dec 2022 10:30]
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Greece 67 Ireland 66
Most of the rest are just below the UK.
You ask how they can fund a lower retirement age. Pretty simple they don't have universal free health care system free to use for citizens and foreign visitors alike.
Perhaps if we made visitors pay for health care, like the EU which has always charged tourist and British citizens, even when we were in the EU, we could spend less on the NHS and more on pensions. | |
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| RMT Strikes on 11:42 - Dec 14 with 929 views | felixstowe_jack |
| RMT Strikes on 07:19 - Dec 14 by BryanSwan |
Why does everything always have to be sht for everyone, why is that always the answer?
I have to work to 67, everyone else should struggle and do that too.
Maybe if the pension age was more appropriate there would be more positions for young people to progress, a lot of occupations are stuffed full of oldies blocking any change for the youth. |
A million vacancies for those who WANT to work. | |
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