| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? 10:10 - Jan 22 with 6019 views | SwansIndependent |
 What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? 22nd Jan 2023 10:09Swansea City have three players who many supporters hope never play for the club again. The latest is Morgan Whittaker to join Michael Obafemi and Jamie Paterson. We will remain as professional as we can regards these three. Suffice to say they are unprofessional and are of no value to Swansea City and the travelling thousands who continue to support our club.  0
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:38 - Jan 24 with 503 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 06:14 - Jan 24 by Boundy |
Like spoilt children in the long run ,it doesn't pay to pander placate footballers as we're now seeing in society in general . Maybe he will earn the respect of those he manages in the future , he'd have mine , how about you ? |
But it does, which is why those that lack man management skills don’t tend to do well. It may not be palatable to some to think these players need to be approached sensibly but it’s simply the way it is.
It’s always the fashionable thing among football fans to say things like “send a rocket up them”, “make them train with the kids” etc etc but these things don’t work. You have to be clever in your management in order to keep players happy and keep the squad strong. |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:41 - Jan 24 with 499 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:05 - Jan 24 by KeithHaynes |
When we were doing Roger’s book he told us they lost at home and he shouted at them from the time they got in to the dressing room until half seven. They won the next four.
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Being strict is fine, give someone a rollicking if needed.
But when it comes to freezing players out of training, discussions, squads etc then it crosses the line. There is a way to deal with players, that isn’t it. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:45 - Jan 24 with 497 views | Dr_Parnassus |
We have now had 3 players refuse to play (reportedly) in 18 months.
When was the last time a Swansea manager had 3 separate players refuse to play?
I can’t think of one.
Those who aren’t willing to see the obvious are only lying to themselves. Blame certainly doesn’t stop at the players in question. Not even close. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:56 - Jan 24 with 492 views | pete |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:45 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
We have now had 3 players refuse to play (reportedly) in 18 months.
When was the last time a Swansea manager had 3 separate players refuse to play?
I can’t think of one.
Those who aren’t willing to see the obvious are only lying to themselves. Blame certainly doesn’t stop at the players in question. Not even close. |
O yes it does they have a contract and should honour it, try doing what they are doing in any other employment and see what the powers that be do sorry no simpathy from me but you have your opinion which i respect | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:15 - Jan 24 with 451 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:56 - Jan 24 by pete |
O yes it does they have a contract and should honour it, try doing what they are doing in any other employment and see what the powers that be do sorry no simpathy from me but you have your opinion which i respect |
It does what?
It has nothing to do with sympathy, or any other industry.
We are talking about this industry and with the power balances that we know exist, players need to be handled correctly. The club loses out in every possible way if a manager isn’t able to deal with them.
Their values decrease and the team suffers. So while it’s tempting to pretend it’s the same as any other industry, it isn’t. It needs to be approached intelligently. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:18 - Jan 24 with 456 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:15 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
It does what?
It has nothing to do with sympathy, or any other industry.
We are talking about this industry and with the power balances that we know exist, players need to be handled correctly. The club loses out in every possible way if a manager isn’t able to deal with them.
Their values decrease and the team suffers. So while it’s tempting to pretend it’s the same as any other industry, it isn’t. It needs to be approached intelligently. |
No player should be picked because he is “ liked” nor binned because he isn’t l
As you say,it is all about management and how the best is extracted from sometimes pretty dumb folk.
It’s an art which has to be learned as few are natural managers of men .
I’ve said enough about our current coach but he seems very unlucky with players .
As Napoleon said…Bring me lucky generals . | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:19 - Jan 24 with 463 views | pete |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:15 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
It does what?
It has nothing to do with sympathy, or any other industry.
We are talking about this industry and with the power balances that we know exist, players need to be handled correctly. The club loses out in every possible way if a manager isn’t able to deal with them.
Their values decrease and the team suffers. So while it’s tempting to pretend it’s the same as any other industry, it isn’t. It needs to be approached intelligently. |
and the players have contracts its not a one way street they should stick to what they have agreed to, look at Manning and Lats doing their best and sticking to their contract, trouble is , i m o agents do not help and must agree there needs to be a 2 way conversation but at the end of the day STICK TO WHAT WAS AGREED | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:22 - Jan 24 with 451 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:19 - Jan 24 by pete |
and the players have contracts its not a one way street they should stick to what they have agreed to, look at Manning and Lats doing their best and sticking to their contract, trouble is , i m o agents do not help and must agree there needs to be a 2 way conversation but at the end of the day STICK TO WHAT WAS AGREED |
Contracts pretty meaningless really as players move when it suits them. Exactly the same with managers
If Martin was to receive a lucrative deal,he will be off breaking his contract in the process . | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:26 - Jan 24 with 456 views | Superjan |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:15 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
It does what?
It has nothing to do with sympathy, or any other industry.
We are talking about this industry and with the power balances that we know exist, players need to be handled correctly. The club loses out in every possible way if a manager isn’t able to deal with them.
Their values decrease and the team suffers. So while it’s tempting to pretend it’s the same as any other industry, it isn’t. It needs to be approached intelligently. |
How would you approach the three players and deal with them intelligently ? Paterson had a contract dispute last year and hasn’t recovered his form since. Obafemi clearly is unhappy that he wasn’t sold in the summer. Whittaker is unhappy about being recalled. | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:34 - Jan 24 with 449 views | Superjan |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:22 - Jan 24 by onehunglow |
Contracts pretty meaningless really as players move when it suits them. Exactly the same with managers
If Martin was to receive a lucrative deal,he will be off breaking his contract in the process . |
Contract plainly do matter , in all three cases contracts are or appear to be the issue. Patterson, contract dispute, Obafemi player under contract who we couldn’t reach an agreement over his value therefore he remains a Swansea City player. Whittaker is and continues to be contracted to Swansea City , he and his agent know that if you are out on loan your parent club can recall you . | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:39 - Jan 24 with 425 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:34 - Jan 24 by Superjan |
Contract plainly do matter , in all three cases contracts are or appear to be the issue. Patterson, contract dispute, Obafemi player under contract who we couldn’t reach an agreement over his value therefore he remains a Swansea City player. Whittaker is and continues to be contracted to Swansea City , he and his agent know that if you are out on loan your parent club can recall you . |
But players are not stuck in their contracts as they were and no longer chattels of the club | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:45 - Jan 24 with 427 views | Superjan |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:39 - Jan 24 by onehunglow |
But players are not stuck in their contracts as they were and no longer chattels of the club |
They are contracted to the club so in effect we own them. | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:06 - Jan 24 with 392 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:19 - Jan 24 by pete |
and the players have contracts its not a one way street they should stick to what they have agreed to, look at Manning and Lats doing their best and sticking to their contract, trouble is , i m o agents do not help and must agree there needs to be a 2 way conversation but at the end of the day STICK TO WHAT WAS AGREED |
Again, what we think they should do and what they are doing is irrelevant.
A manager also agrees to get the best out of the side and give us the best chance of being as good as we can be. He isn’t doing that either.
As a manager his job isn’t to “enforce contracts” it’s to manage the players to give us the best chance of winning.
Do we have more chance of winning with Pato and Obafemi in the side, or in the stands? The answer is obvious. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:21 - Jan 24 with 371 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:26 - Jan 24 by Superjan |
How would you approach the three players and deal with them intelligently ? Paterson had a contract dispute last year and hasn’t recovered his form since. Obafemi clearly is unhappy that he wasn’t sold in the summer. Whittaker is unhappy about being recalled. |
Pato has hardly been picked since, hard to judge his form.
I would make them feel they have value to the squad, put a structure in place to show them how they can improve, give them extra attention to ensure what is troubling them is being sorted within reason.
Obafemi for example was dropped and when Obafemi approached him to ask why, he was told “you have to run more”. He was bemused - nothing was put in place for him, he was just ghosted in training and in squad selections.
These players feel rudderless, no direction, no management and no structure. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:22 - Jan 24 with 386 views | magicdaps10 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:05 - Jan 24 by KeithHaynes |
When we were doing Roger’s book he told us they lost at home and he shouted at them from the time they got in to the dressing room until half seven. They won the next four.
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All about respect and the reaction, people took a telling off back then but unfortunately today's society don't want to hear it unless it suits them......often then turning the person facing them into the devil.
Society is eroding away, imagine these boys at the club having Frank Burrows in his prime putting them straight 🙈
The mind boggles..........too soft and too many people willing to defend such actions. |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:25 - Jan 24 with 370 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:22 - Jan 24 by magicdaps10 |
All about respect and the reaction, people took a telling off back then but unfortunately today's society don't want to hear it unless it suits them......often then turning the person facing them into the devil.
Society is eroding away, imagine these boys at the club having Frank Burrows in his prime putting them straight 🙈
The mind boggles..........too soft and too many people willing to defend such actions. |
“Unfortunately today's society don't want to hear it unless it suits them..”
Unfortunately the last time I checked - we are in todays society, adapt or flounder.
Currently we are floundering.
It’s amazing how many people are willing to defend such mediocrity. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:48 - Jan 24 with 356 views | pete |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:06 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
Again, what we think they should do and what they are doing is irrelevant.
A manager also agrees to get the best out of the side and give us the best chance of being as good as we can be. He isn’t doing that either.
As a manager his job isn’t to “enforce contracts” it’s to manage the players to give us the best chance of winning.
Do we have more chance of winning with Pato and Obafemi in the side, or in the stands? The answer is obvious. |
how can he manage when they the players down tools i hope they are not being payed ? | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:57 - Jan 24 with 350 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:22 - Jan 24 by magicdaps10 |
All about respect and the reaction, people took a telling off back then but unfortunately today's society don't want to hear it unless it suits them......often then turning the person facing them into the devil.
Society is eroding away, imagine these boys at the club having Frank Burrows in his prime putting them straight 🙈
The mind boggles..........too soft and too many people willing to defend such actions. |
Nah mun ... it's Martin's fault.
Apparently.
The pampered trio that want out are blameless and Martin should be on his knees begging them to honour him, the club and rhe fans and do what they are paid for.
Apparently
Some people actually believe that |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:01 - Jan 24 with 335 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:48 - Jan 24 by pete |
how can he manage when they the players down tools i hope they are not being payed ? |
By what I just said.
They aren’t doing it for fun, they are doing it because they don’t see how they can prosper in the team under the manager. The manager needs to explain to them how.
Obafemi for example is crying out for direction but just gets ignored. He has gone out of his way to solve the issues and is being given nothing in return.
So again, while it’s not a great look to stop playing - it’s avoidable with correct management. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:04 - Jan 24 with 333 views | magicdaps10 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:57 - Jan 24 by STID2017 |
Nah mun ... it's Martin's fault.
Apparently.
The pampered trio that want out are blameless and Martin should be on his knees begging them to honour him, the club and rhe fans and do what they are paid for.
Apparently
Some people actually believe that |
Listen, Martin is not perfect and I can certainly see the gripes with him.....but there is clearly a witch hunt with some.
There is certainly potential as a club and team but the reality is that you need a few stars wo align before we can push forward, I think they need to start aligning inside the corridors of power before we see them align on the training pitch and the stadium. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:04 - Jan 24 with 321 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:57 - Jan 24 by STID2017 |
Nah mun ... it's Martin's fault.
Apparently.
The pampered trio that want out are blameless and Martin should be on his knees begging them to honour him, the club and rhe fans and do what they are paid for.
Apparently
Some people actually believe that |
Nope, it’s everyone’s fault is what is being said.
Martin is not handling the situation very well and the players aren’t reacting very well.
A far more balanced position that pretending it’s all the players fault and it’s just pure coincidence that this squad has had more fallings out than any other manager in our modern (maybe even entire) history.
You are also mistaking that it’s “a trio”. That’s the three you know about, I’ve said previously, it’s far more than 3. These are just the ones who have pressed the nuclear button.
You are probably talking 6 or 7 who feel the same way as above, maybe more. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:07 - Jan 24 with 306 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:04 - Jan 24 by magicdaps10 |
Listen, Martin is not perfect and I can certainly see the gripes with him.....but there is clearly a witch hunt with some.
There is certainly potential as a club and team but the reality is that you need a few stars wo align before we can push forward, I think they need to start aligning inside the corridors of power before we see them align on the training pitch and the stadium. |
No witch hunts, just reality.
I’m not going to be pretending 15th and 12th is great like some.
I’m going to be pretending all these player fall outs are nothing to do with him like some.
I’m not going to be pretending our football is incredible and exciting like some.
I speak facts. If he starts performing consistently well I’ll be among the first to praise him. But he needs to sort a lot of self created issues out if that is to become a reality.
In short; I’m not part of the pro Martin cult and will always praise or criticise on merit. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:12 - Jan 24 with 312 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:04 - Jan 24 by magicdaps10 |
Listen, Martin is not perfect and I can certainly see the gripes with him.....but there is clearly a witch hunt with some.
There is certainly potential as a club and team but the reality is that you need a few stars wo align before we can push forward, I think they need to start aligning inside the corridors of power before we see them align on the training pitch and the stadium. |
I agree not everything is perfect with Martin's management and there are lots to be corrected.
However I see no reason he should cow tow to thee three wantaways.
They should look at Fulton, Manning, Piroe, Grimes and Lati to see how professionals should act | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:15 - Jan 24 with 298 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:12 - Jan 24 by STID2017 |
I agree not everything is perfect with Martin's management and there are lots to be corrected.
However I see no reason he should cow tow to thee three wantaways.
They should look at Fulton, Manning, Piroe, Grimes and Lati to see how professionals should act |
And he should look to other previous managers as to how to act professionally.
It works both ways. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 13:25 - Jan 24 with 256 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:07 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
No witch hunts, just reality.
I’m not going to be pretending 15th and 12th is great like some.
I’m going to be pretending all these player fall outs are nothing to do with him like some.
I’m not going to be pretending our football is incredible and exciting like some.
I speak facts. If he starts performing consistently well I’ll be among the first to praise him. But he needs to sort a lot of self created issues out if that is to become a reality.
In short; I’m not part of the pro Martin cult and will always praise or criticise on merit. |
If one criticises ,then it IS a witch hunt or they are scapegoats, etc.
We expect too little these days and this has been brilliantly nurtured by the Owners | |
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