| Our players 20:47 - Mar 11 with 4989 views | builthjack |
Many have said that we have a top 6 team.
Never in a million years.
How many, if we got promoted, would be able to cut it in the Premier league. One ? Two at most.
Todays team for example -
Fisher - League 1 player
Latibeudiere - Bottom half Champioship
Manning - Mid table Championship
Cabango - Mid table Chapmpionship
Wood - Mid Table Champioship
Cooper Mid table Championship, will improve.
Grimes - Top half Championship
Sorinola - Bottom half Championship
Jay Fulton - Top,half Championship
Luke Cundle - Top half Championship
Joel Piroe - Botton third Premier/ top third Championship
If anyone thinks they are better than that say so.
I am basing it on this seasons performances. I have only attended 16 games this season but have seen enough to justify the above. We have a team of bang average players.
We have sold everyone worth anything, Obafemi and Piroe will be next, if the owners get £6 - £8 million for the pair they will be happy.
A bleak future awaits.
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| Our players on 10:30 - Mar 12 with 789 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Our players on 10:18 - Mar 12 by Dr_Winston |
You'd think by now that people would understand how football works. The idea that players can be neatly filed into "League One Standard, League Two standard" is ridiculously simplistic.
By any measure Garry Monk was not a technically gifted player, yet in a well organised defence, playing to an obvious plan under managers who knew what they were doing he captained us into the Premier League. That entire team was greater than the sum of its parts.
At the moment we have a team no less capable than a lot of others in this division, but they're being coached by an arrogant pillock more interested in making his plan work and proving himself as good as he obviously thinks he is. |
Indeed.
Waiting is the right thing to do, otherwise we will probably be replacing manager twice for no reason.
Extremely unlikely that out long term manager is available and ready to come right this second. People act like this is a computer game as opposed to real life. |  |
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| Our players on 10:32 - Mar 12 with 808 views | magicdaps10 |
| Our players on 10:18 - Mar 12 by Dr_Winston |
You'd think by now that people would understand how football works. The idea that players can be neatly filed into "League One Standard, League Two standard" is ridiculously simplistic.
By any measure Garry Monk was not a technically gifted player, yet in a well organised defence, playing to an obvious plan under managers who knew what they were doing he captained us into the Premier League. That entire team was greater than the sum of its parts.
At the moment we have a team no less capable than a lot of others in this division, but they're being coached by an arrogant pillock more interested in making his plan work and proving himself as good as he obviously thinks he is. |
So a group of league 2 standard players coached by someone who knows what they are doing could do well in the championship!?
Highly unlikely and most certainly NOT how football works. |  |
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| Our players on 10:48 - Mar 12 with 771 views | Dr_Winston |
| Our players on 10:32 - Mar 12 by magicdaps10 |
So a group of league 2 standard players coached by someone who knows what they are doing could do well in the championship!?
Highly unlikely and most certainly NOT how football works. |
Which isn't remotely what I said.
What I said was, again, for the hard of thinking, is that players can't be pigeonholed into only being good enough for one division or another. Lots of factors come into play, including the quality of coaching that they receive. Some can perform well above their natural skill levels in the right environment. Others below for other reasons. I'm not sure how much simpler I can make it for you.
Besides, when we had that winning run earlier in the season and were threatening the playoffs how many people then were claiming that the players were barely Championship standard? I would suggest that run clearly demonstrates that we have a team as capable as most in this division given adequate leadership. |  |
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| Our players on 10:58 - Mar 12 with 744 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Our players on 10:32 - Mar 12 by magicdaps10 |
So a group of league 2 standard players coached by someone who knows what they are doing could do well in the championship!?
Highly unlikely and most certainly NOT how football works. |
They aren’t a group of league 2 players.
These are players that many of them have Premier League experience, some will end up there, some are Internationals, some have World Cup experience.
The ones people have been complaining about recently (Pato( Fisher, Sorinola and Darling) were brought in by him, who he spent millions on.
When we went up last time, we had Tate, Monk, Dorus, Pratley, Gower, Dobbie - none of which would ever regularly grace the top division.
People are only blurting this new narrative regarding the players because it cushions the blow that their original view that they have been hammering into everyone for the last 2 seasons was as wildly wrong as you could get.
44 players brought in by him in the last 4 seasons, that’s a starting 11 for every single season of his management, many of which he personally requested and then stopped using. To blame the players is lazy and predictable. | |
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| Our players on 11:10 - Mar 12 with 748 views | magicdaps10 |
| Our players on 10:58 - Mar 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
They aren’t a group of league 2 players.
These are players that many of them have Premier League experience, some will end up there, some are Internationals, some have World Cup experience.
The ones people have been complaining about recently (Pato( Fisher, Sorinola and Darling) were brought in by him, who he spent millions on.
When we went up last time, we had Tate, Monk, Dorus, Pratley, Gower, Dobbie - none of which would ever regularly grace the top division.
People are only blurting this new narrative regarding the players because it cushions the blow that their original view that they have been hammering into everyone for the last 2 seasons was as wildly wrong as you could get.
44 players brought in by him in the last 4 seasons, that’s a starting 11 for every single season of his management, many of which he personally requested and then stopped using. To blame the players is lazy and predictable. |
I didn't say that the players we have are league 2 players and I must add neither do I think they are league 2 standard.
I certainly won't be categorising the players in this post to league standards but I most certainly don't think they are as good as some suggests, I most certainly won't base how goid we should be on paper alone with regards to wages and transfer fees but I will say that we should be performing better than we are currently.
I stated to yourself at the beginning of the season that I would have been looking at a mid table finish and that doesn't look likely to happen........if it was Martins first season then I would be a little easier on him but clearly he is a lost man.
Hopefully I am wrong but after Martin leaves, we will be having the same discussion down the line.........i just don't see there being a plan in place at the club. | |
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| Our players on 11:18 - Mar 12 with 725 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Our players on 11:10 - Mar 12 by magicdaps10 |
I didn't say that the players we have are league 2 players and I must add neither do I think they are league 2 standard.
I certainly won't be categorising the players in this post to league standards but I most certainly don't think they are as good as some suggests, I most certainly won't base how goid we should be on paper alone with regards to wages and transfer fees but I will say that we should be performing better than we are currently.
I stated to yourself at the beginning of the season that I would have been looking at a mid table finish and that doesn't look likely to happen........if it was Martins first season then I would be a little easier on him but clearly he is a lost man.
Hopefully I am wrong but after Martin leaves, we will be having the same discussion down the line.........i just don't see there being a plan in place at the club. |
Of course there is a plan, that’s why we brought Russell in.
You were championing giving him time and talked about patience continuously. The owners have literally followed your demands and now you are complaining about it.
It hasn’t worked because Martin is not a manager that can perform at this level. But that doesn’t mean there is not a plan. It’s a plan that has taken 2 years to dawn on people that there is a key cog in the plan that is stopping it working.
And it’s for the reason that many have been stating.
Next season should be a cracker. | |
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| Our players on 11:30 - Mar 12 with 739 views | angryjack |
| Our players on 09:50 - Mar 12 by Badlands |
You don’t read it because it doesn’t support your assessment.
Compared with Rodon at the same age Cabango is miles better …
Rodon - 22 9 months 52 senior appearances 0 goals 1 assist
Cabango- 22 10 months 186 senior appearances 7 goals 3 assists
Independent rating career average both on 6.79 but Rodon played in his preferred position with strong and experienced players alongside and decent goalkeepers (admittedly some games at a higher level). Cabango rarely plays in his preferred position and has, for some time, been the 'senior' player in the defence.
In terms of player involvement (stats too detailed to summarise) Cabango is getting through far more work than Rodon, probably because of the overall team performance.
Ashley Williams was still playing League 2 at that age.
Wood, who I didn’t rate particularly, has improved and will probably be a better player than either home product when he approaches 23.
All our players are suffering from being coached by Martin.
As for watching the players, I do and having played in defence for 15 season season back in the day I appreciate how much work individual players get through and the frustrations they must feel in this set up. (Senior leagues fro 13 up to semi-pro while holding down a full time job).
So 'mush' I really do have some insight. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 9:55]
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Mush cabango wouldn't get in the team rodon was in nowhere near it..xabango is garbage...if your spouting about playing played semi pro myself..means nothing though |  | | |
| Our players on 11:42 - Mar 12 with 727 views | BryanSwan |
| Our players on 11:18 - Mar 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course there is a plan, that’s why we brought Russell in.
You were championing giving him time and talked about patience continuously. The owners have literally followed your demands and now you are complaining about it.
It hasn’t worked because Martin is not a manager that can perform at this level. But that doesn’t mean there is not a plan. It’s a plan that has taken 2 years to dawn on people that there is a key cog in the plan that is stopping it working.
And it’s for the reason that many have been stating.
Next season should be a cracker. |
Agree with you here, I cannot believe how the new narrative for those left that still support Martin is that it is just that the players aren't good enough.
With Martin we go down next season I am certain. | |
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| Our players on 12:05 - Mar 12 with 696 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Our players on 11:42 - Mar 12 by BryanSwan |
Agree with you here, I cannot believe how the new narrative for those left that still support Martin is that it is just that the players aren't good enough.
With Martin we go down next season I am certain. |
Yep, so many were saying “only x amount of points outside the playoffs” for ages. When we went on that run (where he ditched Martinball) they were saying “finally it’s paying off, we told you about patience”.
Same last season, people didn’t want to play youth players at the end of the season because “we are in with a shot of play offs”.
These same posters are now blaming the players, the very same players they were championing as play off contenders both this season and last - when it suited.
Colours were nailed to the mast with regards to Martin, more than any other manager (even more than Cooper) and people are having a hard time admitting they got it wrong, so it’s coming with a heavy dose of caveat adding - whether that is the players and/or owners being used to facilitate that.
It’s poor form, literally and figuratively. | |
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| Our players on 12:11 - Mar 12 with 705 views | magicdaps10 |
| Our players on 11:18 - Mar 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course there is a plan, that’s why we brought Russell in.
You were championing giving him time and talked about patience continuously. The owners have literally followed your demands and now you are complaining about it.
It hasn’t worked because Martin is not a manager that can perform at this level. But that doesn’t mean there is not a plan. It’s a plan that has taken 2 years to dawn on people that there is a key cog in the plan that is stopping it working.
And it’s for the reason that many have been stating.
Next season should be a cracker. |
You make it sound like the owners follow my direct orders!?
They don't listen or take anything the fans say. | |
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| Our players on 12:13 - Mar 12 with 704 views | builthjack |
| Our players on 11:42 - Mar 12 by BryanSwan |
Agree with you here, I cannot believe how the new narrative for those left that still support Martin is that it is just that the players aren't good enough.
With Martin we go down next season I am certain. |
How many of that starting 11 do you think are capable of performing to a decent standard in the Premier League? | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Our players on 12:23 - Mar 12 with 694 views | controversial_jack |
| Our players on 09:44 - Mar 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
No point in doing it now, unless there is someone we want long term who is available now and willing to come.
It’s a massive decision and can’t be rushed, especially when it’s only to put a bit of gloss on a season that can’t go anywhere anyway.
Summer is when it makes most sense. |
We don't know who is willing to come here until the position is advertised. We still have 10 games left to avoid the drop. we should do it now, but they won't | | | |
| Our players on 12:32 - Mar 12 with 675 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Our players on 12:11 - Mar 12 by magicdaps10 |
You make it sound like the owners follow my direct orders!?
They don't listen or take anything the fans say. |
Not at all, I’m sure nobody reading that other than you took it that way.
My point was these owners have done exactly what you have wanted them to do with regards to Russell, and now you have changed your mind on him you state “there is no plan”. Yet a matter of weeks ago you were talking about this plan, process or whatever it is that gets said about it.
A bit like me saying “I want to spend £5m on a striker” and going on about it for 18 months, then when they do, I say “it’s irresponsible and there is no plan”.
It’s just hard to attach any form of credibility to it. | |
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| Our players on 12:35 - Mar 12 with 672 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Our players on 12:23 - Mar 12 by controversial_jack |
We don't know who is willing to come here until the position is advertised. We still have 10 games left to avoid the drop. we should do it now, but they won't |
We should absolutely not do it now if there is no suitable long term manager. It’s not a job that gets advertised in the local paper.
Managers are sounded out prior to changes being made, hence why Cooper agreed to stay on when we were going after John Eustace. | |
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| Our players on 13:31 - Mar 12 with 646 views | SullutaCreturned |
I have absolutely no doubt that with a different manager we could be doing much better.
it's not the players as individuals that are the problem, it is how they are coached/managed and told to play that is the problem.
If you're saying it is the players that are the problem then just remember who brought in Fisher, darling, Sorinola and who plays others out of position all the time. Remember who decides our tactics and who has alienated several players along the way.
Russell Martin is the problem. | | | |
| Our players on 13:35 - Mar 12 with 633 views | KeithHaynes |
| Our players on 13:31 - Mar 12 by SullutaCreturned |
I have absolutely no doubt that with a different manager we could be doing much better.
it's not the players as individuals that are the problem, it is how they are coached/managed and told to play that is the problem.
If you're saying it is the players that are the problem then just remember who brought in Fisher, darling, Sorinola and who plays others out of position all the time. Remember who decides our tactics and who has alienated several players along the way.
Russell Martin is the problem. |
We will disagree they alienated themselves.
They don’t care about our club. |  |
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| Our players on 13:48 - Mar 12 with 596 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Our players on 13:35 - Mar 12 by KeithHaynes |
We will disagree they alienated themselves.
They don’t care about our club. |
Very few players really care about their employers. The vast majority are in it entirely for themselves.
We could use Obafemi and Paterson as examples but I'll choose Fulton, he was alienated but chose to stay and fight for his place and now look.
I'll also use Oko-Flex and FinnStevens, brought in on loan and then ignored, preferring to play people out of position and wasting those young mens time.
When it comes down to it, how many of us really care about our employer? We are all in it for the money. | | | |
| Our players on 14:56 - Mar 12 with 569 views | BryanSwan |
| Our players on 12:13 - Mar 12 by builthjack |
How many of that starting 11 do you think are capable of performing to a decent standard in the Premier League? |
We are not in the premier league and most teams that get promoted to it are not strong enough to compete. Our aim is to be one of the 6 best teams in the championship, something that i think we should be closer to than what we are to relegation given the players at our disposal. | |
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| Our players on 16:03 - Mar 12 with 522 views | builthjack |
| Our players on 14:56 - Mar 12 by BryanSwan |
We are not in the premier league and most teams that get promoted to it are not strong enough to compete. Our aim is to be one of the 6 best teams in the championship, something that i think we should be closer to than what we are to relegation given the players at our disposal. |
Who are these great players?
We have a handful of decent players but the rest are just cheap,options to make up the numbers. | |
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| Our players on 16:23 - Mar 12 with 501 views | BryanSwan |
| Our players on 16:03 - Mar 12 by builthjack |
Who are these great players?
We have a handful of decent players but the rest are just cheap,options to make up the numbers. |
You could say that about almost every side in the league, Good managers make decent players into good ones, I'll use Akpom from yesterday as an example in 106 league games across PL (only 4) the championship and league 1 he had scored a grand total of 8 goals. Now has 22 in 29.
I'd say from our squad that Benda, Cabango, Wood, Manning, Fulton, Grimes, Piroe, Obafemi, Ntcham, Whittaker all have enough ability in there if used correctly to have us much further up the league. I'd add Oko flex in there too. | |
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| Our players on 16:25 - Mar 12 with 499 views | onehunglow |
| Our players on 16:03 - Mar 12 by builthjack |
Who are these great players?
We have a handful of decent players but the rest are just cheap,options to make up the numbers. |
Ken.
It doesn’t matter what players we have right now.
Dr Win was right about misery and tedium .
We are .
Get him out | |
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| Our players on 16:38 - Mar 12 with 481 views | KeithHaynes |
| Our players on 16:23 - Mar 12 by BryanSwan |
You could say that about almost every side in the league, Good managers make decent players into good ones, I'll use Akpom from yesterday as an example in 106 league games across PL (only 4) the championship and league 1 he had scored a grand total of 8 goals. Now has 22 in 29.
I'd say from our squad that Benda, Cabango, Wood, Manning, Fulton, Grimes, Piroe, Obafemi, Ntcham, Whittaker all have enough ability in there if used correctly to have us much further up the league. I'd add Oko flex in there too. |
A couple of pacy wingers and we would wrap the League up.
Never going to happen though. | |
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| Our players on 16:39 - Mar 12 with 478 views | PawelAbbott |
| Our players on 12:35 - Mar 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
We should absolutely not do it now if there is no suitable long term manager. It’s not a job that gets advertised in the local paper.
Managers are sounded out prior to changes being made, hence why Cooper agreed to stay on when we were going after John Eustace. |
Nobody knows who the most suitable manager is.
Martinez came in around now. No one at the time thought he would go onto manager the number 1 ranked team in world football or be heavily linked with the Barcelona job.
The best option is to bring in someone and give them a chance to see what they are working with in competitive matches | | | |
| Our players on 16:53 - Mar 12 with 461 views | KeithHaynes |
| Our players on 16:39 - Mar 12 by PawelAbbott |
Nobody knows who the most suitable manager is.
Martinez came in around now. No one at the time thought he would go onto manager the number 1 ranked team in world football or be heavily linked with the Barcelona job.
The best option is to bring in someone and give them a chance to see what they are working with in competitive matches |
I remember well when Martinez was appointed. I had a few quid on Gary Megson. Phil S called me and said it was Martinez, I was astounded and couldn’t believe the club would make such a choice. | |
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| Our players on 17:00 - Mar 12 with 453 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Our players on 09:50 - Mar 12 by Badlands |
You don’t read it because it doesn’t support your assessment.
Compared with Rodon at the same age Cabango is miles better …
Rodon - 22 9 months 52 senior appearances 0 goals 1 assist
Cabango- 22 10 months 186 senior appearances 7 goals 3 assists
Independent rating career average both on 6.79 but Rodon played in his preferred position with strong and experienced players alongside and decent goalkeepers (admittedly some games at a higher level). Cabango rarely plays in his preferred position and has, for some time, been the 'senior' player in the defence.
In terms of player involvement (stats too detailed to summarise) Cabango is getting through far more work than Rodon, probably because of the overall team performance.
Ashley Williams was still playing League 2 at that age.
Wood, who I didn’t rate particularly, has improved and will probably be a better player than either home product when he approaches 23.
All our players are suffering from being coached by Martin.
As for watching the players, I do and having played in defence for 15 season season back in the day I appreciate how much work individual players get through and the frustrations they must feel in this set up. (Senior leagues fro 13 up to semi-pro while holding down a full time job).
So 'mush' I really do have some insight. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 9:55]
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You must be the only person on the planet who thinks Cabango is better than Rodon.
I await the £11m plus bid from Spurs in tbe summer then … or maybe not, eh ? …. 👀 |  |
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