| 🔴 No compensation from Southampton 10:01 - Jun 25 with 4272 views | KeithHaynes |
Just an agreement to let Martin leave.
Nothing on his staff as yet though. And it seems arbitration will be the first step for both clubs if they have a mind to go there.
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 15:04 - Jun 25 with 1366 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 14:16 - Jun 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The first mumbling of trouble was when this forum reported Martin declined to fly to USA. It was clearly stated it was Martin's decision not a US based decision.
a) USA people would not have paid for Martin's flight had they known of SFC interest.
b) If SFC interest was not known to Martin he would have gone to USA.
I therefore suspect Martin was tapped up before SFC spoke to Swansea's Us owners. SFC could argue that Swansea were transitioning to a new management and were unable to inform Swansea.
Silvertein may have been the main proponent of given Martin what he wanted (working on a new contract for example). He would justifiably upset if that was the case.
I hope an arbitration meeting will be sorted quickly and resolved. One days work for £300,000 or so is well worth the effort and temporary inconveniences.
Watson's work is on a laptop and a phone with encrypted messaging. Luton do not care much either way in Watson is already working informally for Swansea while being paid by Luton. |
I therefore suspect Martin was tapped up before SFC spoke to Swansea's Us owners. SFC could argue that Swansea were transitioning to a new management and were unable to inform Swansea.
I have no doubt Martin was tapped up but proving it is the problem. The other bit is nonsense. Every club is aware that tapping up is against the rules and that they have to ask permission first if a manager or player is under contract. Unless that contract runs out in a specified timeframe.
"Unable to inform" eh...well we wouldn't have been transitioning if our manager wasn't leaving, think about it. Even so, why would that stop them emailing, ringing or even posting a letter asking permission? |  | | |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 15:16 - Jun 25 with 1338 views | KeithHaynes |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 14:04 - Jun 25 by SullutaCreturned |
it is nice to actually have one here now though  |
We bit the bullet, released Martin and the compo will certainly follow.
They’ve played a blinder for me. First evidence of Watson’s astute knowledge of British football. | |
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 15:21 - Jun 25 with 1327 views | KeithHaynes |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 14:08 - Jun 25 by onehunglow |
So a manager or player signs a three year deal but isn’t bound by it?
Not much point having a contract at all. |
The legal side will decide that. | |
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 15:23 - Jun 25 with 1320 views | QJumpingJack |
It seems odd that Luton would be happy to pay Watson to work for Swansea during gardening leave? Surely if he is placed on gardening leave - he cannot work until a date is agreed to officially start at Swansea? | | | |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 16:27 - Jun 25 with 1250 views | jasper_T |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 14:57 - Jun 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The contract stipulates that in the event of him leaving and gaining employment at another club we are entitled to X amount of money depending on which league they are in.
So yes the contract is important but nobody can be held in a job against their will. That’s bordering on slavery. |
Plenty of contracts will include non-compete clauses that you can't simply walk away from, and in the case of players clubs hold onto their registration so even if they terminate their contract they effectively can't work anywhere else.
"Bordering on slavery" is right, and a lot of football employment stuff wouldn't stand up if firmly challenged in court (like Bosman did), but it's not in the best interests of players/agents/clubs to rock the boat too much. Players get paid as much as they do in part because their registrations/right to work are an asset clubs can buy and sell. If football employment worked like the regular world then transfer fees wouldn't exist and players would get paid far less. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 16:28]
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 16:43 - Jun 25 with 1220 views | onehunglow |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 15:21 - Jun 25 by KeithHaynes |
The legal side will decide that. |
Good.
Pretty good discussion here | |
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 16:50 - Jun 25 with 1214 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 15:04 - Jun 25 by SullutaCreturned |
I therefore suspect Martin was tapped up before SFC spoke to Swansea's Us owners. SFC could argue that Swansea were transitioning to a new management and were unable to inform Swansea.
I have no doubt Martin was tapped up but proving it is the problem. The other bit is nonsense. Every club is aware that tapping up is against the rules and that they have to ask permission first if a manager or player is under contract. Unless that contract runs out in a specified timeframe.
"Unable to inform" eh...well we wouldn't have been transitioning if our manager wasn't leaving, think about it. Even so, why would that stop them emailing, ringing or even posting a letter asking permission? |
It will come out in arbitration hopefully. It goes on all the time but usually the buying club pays up.
Martin declined to get on the plane because his people were "in the balance of probability" already talking to SFC. He was under contract to Swansea city. There is the issue of a circa £2000 air ticket.
Martin declined to travel and the request may have come later. The arbitrator can take a view on this. Presumably he/ she does not require hard evidence.
Perhaps there is an unanswered message or text on Winters company phone He was already on his way. He was only sacked three days ago but allegedly not seen for weeks in his office. |  |
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 18:07 - Jun 25 with 1147 views | EagleEye |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 14:16 - Jun 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The first mumbling of trouble was when this forum reported Martin declined to fly to USA. It was clearly stated it was Martin's decision not a US based decision.
a) USA people would not have paid for Martin's flight had they known of SFC interest.
b) If SFC interest was not known to Martin he would have gone to USA.
I therefore suspect Martin was tapped up before SFC spoke to Swansea's Us owners. SFC could argue that Swansea were transitioning to a new management and were unable to inform Swansea.
Silvertein may have been the main proponent of given Martin what he wanted (working on a new contract for example). He would justifiably upset if that was the case.
I hope an arbitration meeting will be sorted quickly and resolved. One days work for £300,000 or so is well worth the effort and temporary inconveniences.
Watson's work is on a laptop and a phone with encrypted messaging. Luton do not care much either way in Watson is already working informally for Swansea while being paid by Luton. |
You’ve got some of the basics and timeline mixed up. The club was approached by Southampton wanting to speak with RM. Martin was informed of this & informed the club that he wished to talk to Southampton before he was due to fly to the USA. He didn’t refuse to fly. The club decided that if he wanted out his presence in the USA was not required |  | | |
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 18:44 - Jun 25 with 1096 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 18:07 - Jun 25 by EagleEye |
You’ve got some of the basics and timeline mixed up. The club was approached by Southampton wanting to speak with RM. Martin was informed of this & informed the club that he wished to talk to Southampton before he was due to fly to the USA. He didn’t refuse to fly. The club decided that if he wanted out his presence in the USA was not required |
So what happened first?
Swansea booked a ticket to fly him to USA or Southampton contacted Swansea?
This portal and the Wales on line reported that Martin declined the trip. I cannot verify this. They are the journalists who check their sources and accuracy of what they publish.
Why would Swansea book him on a plane if the offer from SFC was sitting on their table?
Here is the Wales online. No formal offer at the time. Perhaps they wanted to be a Championship club first.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Dated 20 May. SFC last PL game 28 th may v Liverpool. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 18:51]
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 19:19 - Jun 25 with 1053 views | Whiterockin |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 18:07 - Jun 25 by EagleEye |
You’ve got some of the basics and timeline mixed up. The club was approached by Southampton wanting to speak with RM. Martin was informed of this & informed the club that he wished to talk to Southampton before he was due to fly to the USA. He didn’t refuse to fly. The club decided that if he wanted out his presence in the USA was not required |
This is spot on and accurate. |  | | |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 19:53 - Jun 25 with 994 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 19:19 - Jun 25 by Whiterockin |
This is spot on and accurate. |
Sources? | |
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 20:04 - Jun 25 with 982 views | QJumpingJack |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 18:44 - Jun 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
So what happened first?
Swansea booked a ticket to fly him to USA or Southampton contacted Swansea?
This portal and the Wales on line reported that Martin declined the trip. I cannot verify this. They are the journalists who check their sources and accuracy of what they publish.
Why would Swansea book him on a plane if the offer from SFC was sitting on their table?
Here is the Wales online. No formal offer at the time. Perhaps they wanted to be a Championship club first.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Dated 20 May. SFC last PL game 28 th may v Liverpool. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 18:51]
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The flight to the US was probably booked well in advance - well before Southampton approached.
Whatever Kaplan said in March to Russell may have helped RM make certain decisions post the end of the season? | | | |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 21:07 - Jun 25 with 917 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 15:16 - Jun 25 by KeithHaynes |
We bit the bullet, released Martin and the compo will certainly follow.
They’ve played a blinder for me. First evidence of Watson’s astute knowledge of British football. |
Oh yes we bit the bullet but as I kept saying, we should have done so sooner and let arbitration decide. | | | |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 09:53 - Jun 26 with 781 views | EagleEye |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 18:44 - Jun 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
So what happened first?
Swansea booked a ticket to fly him to USA or Southampton contacted Swansea?
This portal and the Wales on line reported that Martin declined the trip. I cannot verify this. They are the journalists who check their sources and accuracy of what they publish.
Why would Swansea book him on a plane if the offer from SFC was sitting on their table?
Here is the Wales online. No formal offer at the time. Perhaps they wanted to be a Championship club first.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Dated 20 May. SFC last PL game 28 th may v Liverpool. [Post edited 25 Jun 2023 18:51]
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It’s really not a very difficult concept to get your head around. When a business trip abroad is planned travel arrangements are made. They are not made a day or 2 before the actual trip, they are often in a diary weeks or even months ahead. A trip was planned. Between the planning & travel circumstances changed.
It is no more likely that RM was tapped up without an approach through the club than Michael Duff was tapped up by the Swans. The club knew about Southampton’s interest in RM as Southampton have almost certainly followed all protocols to remain within League rules & guidelines. It’s not as if RM had a discussion with a rep from Southampton & refused to fly without the club knowing what was going on.
Are you related to parczebus ? [Post edited 26 Jun 2023 9:55]
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 12:44 - Jun 26 with 673 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 09:53 - Jun 26 by EagleEye |
It’s really not a very difficult concept to get your head around. When a business trip abroad is planned travel arrangements are made. They are not made a day or 2 before the actual trip, they are often in a diary weeks or even months ahead. A trip was planned. Between the planning & travel circumstances changed.
It is no more likely that RM was tapped up without an approach through the club than Michael Duff was tapped up by the Swans. The club knew about Southampton’s interest in RM as Southampton have almost certainly followed all protocols to remain within League rules & guidelines. It’s not as if RM had a discussion with a rep from Southampton & refused to fly without the club knowing what was going on.
Are you related to parczebus ? [Post edited 26 Jun 2023 9:55]
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Life is complicated travel arrangement are often made late as windows of free time open up.
As I understand it the "formal" request by Southampton was after June 28 th when their season had finished.
Southampton had made "informal" representations to Martin or the club before the 20 th such that Martin cancelled his trip to USA. Mr Silverstein was not reportedly not happy. Martin had seemingly decided he was going to SFC so must have known the T&C s.
Press reports stated Martin withdrew from the USA trip. In my opinion if the approach had not been formalised Martin should have travelled.
Southampton need to pay Swansea the full amount in the contract. They were a Premier league team when they approached Martin. | |
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| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 13:29 - Jun 26 with 637 views | union_jack |
| 🔴No compensation from Southampton on 09:53 - Jun 26 by EagleEye |
It’s really not a very difficult concept to get your head around. When a business trip abroad is planned travel arrangements are made. They are not made a day or 2 before the actual trip, they are often in a diary weeks or even months ahead. A trip was planned. Between the planning & travel circumstances changed.
It is no more likely that RM was tapped up without an approach through the club than Michael Duff was tapped up by the Swans. The club knew about Southampton’s interest in RM as Southampton have almost certainly followed all protocols to remain within League rules & guidelines. It’s not as if RM had a discussion with a rep from Southampton & refused to fly without the club knowing what was going on.
Are you related to parczebus ? [Post edited 26 Jun 2023 9:55]
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He is indeed. Unless there are two of them going around. |  |
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| 🔴 No compensation from Southampton on 22:13 - Jun 26 with 517 views | BarrySwan |
Wrong thread
[Post edited 26 Jun 2023 22:35]
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