| Yates is a goalscorer 11:22 - Jan 8 with 3430 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Yates is getting a lot of grief on here but he is top scorer. The object of football is not to play pretty patterns and makes tackles but it is to score more goals than your opponent.
I do not recall Michael Owen of Robbie Fowler contributing to flowing moves or muscling centre backs off the ball.
It is true the Yates did not do a lot v Morcambe but when he got his chance he buried it emphatically. I wonder if Arsenal would have beaten Liverpool if Yates was in place of the Brasil no 9? Probably not but worth considering. They missed a hatfull of chances. Yates had one and took it.
I sick of seeing Swansea players training all week for hours on end then hitting the ball straight at the keeper.
Ollie Cooper was very busy v MFC getting stuck in. Nice skills. For him to kick on and establish himself he needs to shoot and score more. When he gets i his chance he has to bury it not fluff his lines. I am sure he can do it.
Williams has talked about more box interventions. In the red zone there is no room for indecision. Yates will score more with Williams you would think. I believe he has been told to stay close to goal. |  |
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| Yates is a goalscorer on 07:23 - Jan 9 with 828 views | angryjack |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 06:43 - Jan 9 by Dr_Winston |
The bit I don't understand is why Yates is apparently to blame for the team not playing to his strengths.
I know the default setting for a lot of people is to hate, but for so many to continually criticise him for apparently not doing well in this side, despite having scored only two goals fewer than Piroe has in a Leeds team that's played a lot better than us is just crackers to me.
If he was playing in a target rich environment and messing up then fine, he'd deserve it. As it stands he's doing about as well as he can be expected to given the limited chances available. The stick he's currently getting is like slagging Leon off for not controlling the game in a Warnock side. [Post edited 9 Jan 2024 7:09]
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He's getting slagged off because he's useless if you put Stephen hawking up front chances are he'll score a few throughout a season,he's getting slagged off as he don't contribute anything his all around game is not there you can't compare him piroe as piroe is playing as a number 10 for a start and even if he's bot scoring goals he links up comes deep creates chances or is an asset to the team..yates does nothing,in fact he's a liability because if a player plays a ball to him he's not even strong or good enough to get a touch and return ,9 times out 10 he loses it its like playing with 10 men against 12 as usually he's an asset to the other team.as moves constantly break down when it's around him. |  | | |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 07:30 - Jan 9 with 814 views | Dr_Winston |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 07:23 - Jan 9 by angryjack |
He's getting slagged off because he's useless if you put Stephen hawking up front chances are he'll score a few throughout a season,he's getting slagged off as he don't contribute anything his all around game is not there you can't compare him piroe as piroe is playing as a number 10 for a start and even if he's bot scoring goals he links up comes deep creates chances or is an asset to the team..yates does nothing,in fact he's a liability because if a player plays a ball to him he's not even strong or good enough to get a touch and return ,9 times out 10 he loses it its like playing with 10 men against 12 as usually he's an asset to the other team.as moves constantly break down when it's around him. |
Yeah. You said.
If you want to be taken a bit more seriously, you should probably consider a name change. [Post edited 9 Jan 2024 7:32]
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| Yates is a goalscorer on 07:38 - Jan 9 with 809 views | Dr_Winston |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 07:14 - Jan 9 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I agree we seem to have brought someone who does not fit the way we play, maybe we thought he could adapt. Scotland was a much better type of player; strong, decent hold up play and a good finisher. |
One of the bigger problems we had this season is that Duff clearly wanted to play a certain way, then changed it after a few games. Much of our recruitment and pre-season was tailored to that. We've been disjointed and inconsistent for the most part as a result.
Despite the revisionism since, there were times under Duff where we actually looked quite good indeed. It just never stuck. Not even for the full 90 minutes in a lot of cases. Injuries didn't help either. Yates would probably have had a better time of it with Lowe on one side and Ginelly on the other.
You'll have no arguments whatsoever from me about Scotland. Another player regularly slagged off for being lazy, unable to hold the ball up, having a poor all round game, etc etc (the players change but the record never does). JS9 is criminally underrated and disrespected. A better player than Trundle in every regard yet mostly forgotten now. | |
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| Yates is a goalscorer on 08:11 - Jan 9 with 781 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 07:38 - Jan 9 by Dr_Winston |
One of the bigger problems we had this season is that Duff clearly wanted to play a certain way, then changed it after a few games. Much of our recruitment and pre-season was tailored to that. We've been disjointed and inconsistent for the most part as a result.
Despite the revisionism since, there were times under Duff where we actually looked quite good indeed. It just never stuck. Not even for the full 90 minutes in a lot of cases. Injuries didn't help either. Yates would probably have had a better time of it with Lowe on one side and Ginelly on the other.
You'll have no arguments whatsoever from me about Scotland. Another player regularly slagged off for being lazy, unable to hold the ball up, having a poor all round game, etc etc (the players change but the record never does). JS9 is criminally underrated and disrespected. A better player than Trundle in every regard yet mostly forgotten now. |
I saw an interview with Scotland where he said when he came to Swansea Martinez changed his game to one where Scotland played only within the width of the penalty area in the attacking half as this was needed to support the team plan.
His role was to occupy the centre backs, link up play and get in goalscoring positions. The reason he was not charging around like a man possessed was that he was usually occupying two opponents one that was marking him and the other covering potential runners off his hold up play.
Yates unfortunately is not robust enough and does not have the hold up skills to do that job. |  |
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| Yates is a goalscorer on 09:32 - Jan 9 with 736 views | Whiterockin |
Is the problem with Yates really our playing style or is it a case of what you see you get. If you compare his two seasons in the Championship with Blackpool and this season with us.
His goals per 90 minutes in the league 21/22 = 0.35 including penalties, 22/23 = 0.37 including penalties, 23/24 = 0.33 no penalties. Although down slightly it's not a significant drop off.
Season 21/22 he played 39 Championship games and scored 8 goals, 3 were penalties and had 27 shots in the season 15 were on target.
Season 22/23 he played 41 Championship games and scored 14 goals, 3 were penalties and had 46 shots 25 were on target.
Season 23/24 he has played 26 Championship games and scored 6 goals, 0 are penalties and has had 16 shots 10 on target.
If you withdraw the penalties from the equation as he is not our penalty taker, is there much difference in his goal scoring record this season. Again take the penalties out, his shots are down this season compared to last but pretty similar to the season before. So is the problem our playing style or Yates not working to create space for himself to get a shot away. He didn't overly impress under Duff or Sheehan we will just have to see how he goes under Williams or is it what you see is what you get. |  | | |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 11:15 - Jan 9 with 690 views | angryjack |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 07:30 - Jan 9 by Dr_Winston |
Yeah. You said.
If you want to be taken a bit more seriously, you should probably consider a name change. [Post edited 9 Jan 2024 7:32]
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Who gives a f@ck what name I call myself ,just stating what I see,you calk yourself a Dr.i think you need to see one if you think yates is any good.. | | | |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 11:24 - Jan 9 with 679 views | onehunglow |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 11:15 - Jan 9 by angryjack |
Who gives a f@ck what name I call myself ,just stating what I see,you calk yourself a Dr.i think you need to see one if you think yates is any good.. |
We disagree on some matters but accept we see some things differently .
We keep it civil
We respect each others right to an opinion.
Sone struggle with this .
Yates is utter wink and if LW makes him effective I will come down and visit . | |
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| Yates is a goalscorer on 14:37 - Jan 9 with 626 views | Flashberryjack |
| Yates is a goalscorer on 09:32 - Jan 9 by Whiterockin |
Is the problem with Yates really our playing style or is it a case of what you see you get. If you compare his two seasons in the Championship with Blackpool and this season with us.
His goals per 90 minutes in the league 21/22 = 0.35 including penalties, 22/23 = 0.37 including penalties, 23/24 = 0.33 no penalties. Although down slightly it's not a significant drop off.
Season 21/22 he played 39 Championship games and scored 8 goals, 3 were penalties and had 27 shots in the season 15 were on target.
Season 22/23 he played 41 Championship games and scored 14 goals, 3 were penalties and had 46 shots 25 were on target.
Season 23/24 he has played 26 Championship games and scored 6 goals, 0 are penalties and has had 16 shots 10 on target.
If you withdraw the penalties from the equation as he is not our penalty taker, is there much difference in his goal scoring record this season. Again take the penalties out, his shots are down this season compared to last but pretty similar to the season before. So is the problem our playing style or Yates not working to create space for himself to get a shot away. He didn't overly impress under Duff or Sheehan we will just have to see how he goes under Williams or is it what you see is what you get. |
Let's be honest, unless you lay the goals on a plate for him, he isn't going to score many.
IMO he's not a very good football player, but he does run around a lot, I had a spaniel that did the same (and I'd payed a lot of money for him) but he couldn't find his own dinner, unless you put it in front of him, ended up giving him away as a pet. |  |
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| Yates is a goalscorer on 21:46 - Jan 9 with 543 views | RhonddaSwans |
The headline doesn't make sense.
I wonder what his goals per game is so far.
There is an old saying if my nan had wings and a beak she would be a bird.
Jerry Yeates is our no 9.
I hope you are right in a way Williams is going to play all out attack.
So If he doesn't become this goal scorer I am sure we could swap him for someone else.
We should loan him to Plymouth that will probably work. | |
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| Yates is a goalscorer on 21:50 - Jan 9 with 539 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
I have seen a lot of players in the last few season finish very poorly. The finish v MFC was tucked away beautifully. Others would not have scored. Piroe would have of course. Cullen probably. | |
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