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As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again 17:50 - Feb 3 with 3138 views

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again 3rd Feb 2024 17:45
It wasn’t a bad game, but the Swans should have wrapped this up in the first half. The positive was Ronald, the negatives is sadly Jerry Yates who again missed an absolute sitter in the first half. He wasn’t totally to blame as the same happened in the second half for substitute Charlie a Patino. The other concern has to be the low turn out from the home fans. With lots of empty seats if there were 14,500 there I would be surprised.

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As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 18:46 - Feb 3 with 2136 views

onehunglow

Morgan was thrown away

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As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:43 - Feb 3 with 1941 views

STID2017

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 18:46 - Feb 3 by onehunglow
Morgan was thrown away

He sulked out
Do get it right

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As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:52 - Feb 3 with 1924 views

vetchonian

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:43 - Feb 3 by STID2017
He sulked out Do get it right

so we were told.....
Maybe if Martin had been a proper man manager thing's might have been different.
people forget Whittaker was dropped/sidelined after scoring a hat trick....I've known lots of amateur playe
rs who have been peed off dropped in similar circumstances....maybe those of us who have played sport and experienced similar can identify...especially when being young

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Should Coleman ask Curt for advice/help?

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:58 - Feb 3 with 1898 views

onehunglow

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:52 - Feb 3 by vetchonian
so we were told..... Maybe if Martin had been a proper man manager thing's might have been different. people forget Whittaker was dropped/sidelined after scoring a hat trick....I've known lots of amateur playe rs who have been peed off dropped in similar circumstances....maybe those of us who have played sport and experienced similar can identify...especially when being young

I believe all what our coaches say, Don’t you?
I mean Obefemi was a “ good person” wasn’t he ,as was Pato when he was sulking before getting another deal.
Those who don’t sulk get better deals ,like Grimes and Naughton,then laugh all the way to the b@no whilst their fans laid them as legends.
Only our fans can do that .

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As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:58 - Feb 3 with 1902 views

swan_si

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:52 - Feb 3 by vetchonian
so we were told..... Maybe if Martin had been a proper man manager thing's might have been different. people forget Whittaker was dropped/sidelined after scoring a hat trick....I've known lots of amateur playe rs who have been peed off dropped in similar circumstances....maybe those of us who have played sport and experienced similar can identify...especially when being young

Fair point, I think bringing him back last January was a big mistake. I think our owners where hoping for a bidding war between Plymouth and Rangers.🤷‍♂️

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:03 - Feb 3 with 1862 views

STID2017

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:52 - Feb 3 by vetchonian
so we were told..... Maybe if Martin had been a proper man manager thing's might have been different. people forget Whittaker was dropped/sidelined after scoring a hat trick....I've known lots of amateur playe rs who have been peed off dropped in similar circumstances....maybe those of us who have played sport and experienced similar can identify...especially when being young

We do not see what all the coaches see in training etc.
A young professional being paid a good wage should have knuckled down and earned his place.
Also Martin seemed to be trying to work with a player that the owners wanted to sell.
I prefer to believe the views from the editors on here to other ITKs.
I believe it has far more creedence and is researched properly before being discussed in the editorials on here

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As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:04 - Feb 3 with 1869 views

BillyChong

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:58 - Feb 3 by swan_si
Fair point, I think bringing him back last January was a big mistake. I think our owners where hoping for a bidding war between Plymouth and Rangers.🤷‍♂️

Irrelevant. We lost again. If Whittaker had never been a Swansea player it wouldn’t have made a hoot. We can’t beat a team with zero away wins all season under this lot.

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:10 - Feb 3 with 1838 views

onehunglow

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:03 - Feb 3 by STID2017

Training different to games
Great trainers ,like Naughton, are irrelevant ,as he was today.
The fact he ,Grimes and Fulton are selected define why we are where we are .
A huge striker in the bench
A live wire Ronald clearly able to go past defenders and cross has Jerry forking Yates to complete his pass.
Any coach allowing that deserves questioning l
It is insane

People want to deny the obvious is fine but Love this. Lib and don’t want us to go down. Clearly sone aren’t arsed . If they were, they would be as indignant as my irrekevant self.

We are in Schtu k We were before Christmas . It should set off alarm bells. Some are not he@ring them.
Fans turning on others is a sign of worry

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vetchonian

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:03 - Feb 3 by STID2017

very true but that doesn't stop poster having a go at players such as Fulton,Cabango when the coach picks them....as the manager /coach sees them in training.
Funny how we seemed to have so.many troublesome players Obafemi, Whittaker...as I said a good man manager could handle this all workforces have problem employees often they also are the talented ones good man managers know how to deal with the personalities and harness the talent

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Should Coleman ask Curt for advice/help?

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vetchonian

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:10 - Feb 3 by onehunglow

im fairness Williams had little to choose from today so Naughton was picked...injuries to Key and Darling forced his hand.
Naughton for me didn't let us down today and played better pthan I believe Ashby has off late

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Should Coleman ask Curt for advice/help?

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onehunglow

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:17 - Feb 3 by vetchonian

You’re a good poster Vet h as you keep to topic.
It’s not easy.
I often fail.
I’ve posed questions that are held by many ,clearly.
Some cannot or will not face up to what is really going on.
We cannot have Grimes as captain any longer
We cannot select Fulton unless we want to actually lose
We should neve pick Naughton,ever.
Woood should never be expected to play pretty as should Cabango .

Today, the injury affected Pole did ok as did the Arse kid and Ronald was outstanding .A beacon of joy in all this fog of crap. We will sell him well before his contract is up. He will make people get out of their seats . He looks @ wonderful spirit .

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union_jack

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:21 - Feb 3 by vetchonian
im fairness Williams had little to choose from today so Naughton was picked...injuries to Key and Darling forced his hand. Naughton for me didn't let us down today and played better pthan I believe Ashby has off late

I think Naughton played quite well to be fair.

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onehunglow

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:26 - Feb 3 by union_jack
I think Naughton played quite well to be fair.

Disagree .
He did make a terrific pass straight to the opposition .
Clearly ,we miss Key,badly .

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Christmas. Enjoyable or not

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vetchonian

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:31 - Feb 3 by onehunglow
Disagree . He did make a terrific pass straight to the opposition . Clearly ,we miss Key,badly .

To be fair you weren't at the game.....lotsnof the team played dodgy passes .....but from my view from being there Naughton played well

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Should Coleman ask Curt for advice/help?

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onehunglow

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:34 - Feb 3 by vetchonian
To be fair you weren't at the game.....lotsnof the team played dodgy passes .....but from my view from being there Naughton played well

Well, true .
However ,I. Old make. Case out he ,like Grimes slowed play .
He is vulnerable to anyone with any pace ,for a start.
I stand by what I say ,every word. He should not be playing for us .
Disagree,that’s fine .

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jack247

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:34 - Feb 3 by vetchonian
To be fair you weren't at the game.....lotsnof the team played dodgy passes .....but from my view from being there Naughton played well

Naughton was absolutely fine today. Especially playing behind Ronald, who was an absolute outlet but doesn’t track back and help his fullback out.

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:54 - Feb 3 with 1640 views

theloneranger

One bad pass in a game doesn't make a player bad. We played 96 mins today, and Naughton had a good game, linking up with Ronald, and in defence.

Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! ðŸ˜Ž

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STID2017

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:10 - Feb 3 by onehunglow

Not sure what you are babbling on about ?
Managers and their coaches obviously see things in training and on the pitch in a game (and off it) which lead them to make the decisions they do.
We all like to play Football Manager on here as with every other fanbase in the world.
Some like Richard O and several others are more insightful than average Joe's like me.
However none of are professional coaches or ever have been involved in the professional game (as far as we know - may be some behind the usernames}
So goes without saying that the people at the clubs IMHO know far more than us and are best to judge the situations.
Like all of us, they may not come up with the right ideas and decisions, but no doubt even Pep gets it wrong quite often

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jack247

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:36 - Feb 3 by onehunglow
Well, true . However ,I. Old make. Case out he ,like Grimes slowed play . He is vulnerable to anyone with any pace ,for a start. I stand by what I say ,every word. He should not be playing for us . Disagree,that’s fine .

He’s not that vulnerable to pace as he’s experienced enough not to expose himself to it. You may not rate him, but he’s a very strange player to single out from yesterday.

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RichardO

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:31 - Feb 3 by onehunglow
Disagree . He did make a terrific pass straight to the opposition . Clearly ,we miss Key,badly .

Every player makes mistakes which is why we are where we are, the trick is not to compound those mistakes with poor structure within the team which doesn't covers those mistakes sometimes we get away with things sometimes not.
Sometimes the mistakes are cause by the lack of movement giving no options to the player on the ball or players trying to force things to happen.
Naughton will not be the answer as there are plenty of wingers who will relish being up against him although Cabango was quickly across to help him successfully when it looked as if the winger was going to have a go at him, team work seeing the dangers and reacting to them, I thought Ronald was on top of everything that was happening around him we need players to learn off his example.

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Whiterockin

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 09:08 - Feb 4 by RichardO

Key when fit again playing behind Ronald will be massive for us and will rejuvenate our season.

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Boundy

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 20:21 - Feb 3 by vetchonian
im fairness Williams had little to choose from today so Naughton was picked...injuries to Key and Darling forced his hand. Naughton for me didn't let us down today and played better pthan I believe Ashby has off late

I thought Naughton had a tidy game but tired s desperately in the last 15 minutes, sloppy passing, but he was the one who made the few incisive passes which created the chances for Ronald to get past his man into space behind the defence

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angryjack

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 19:43 - Feb 3 by STID2017
He sulked out Do get it right

And I would have way he was treated

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jack247

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 09:15 - Feb 4 by Whiterockin
Key when fit again playing behind Ronald will be massive for us and will rejuvenate our season.

Obviously he has to play when fit, but I’m not sure how that combination will work. You can’t overlap a pacy winger who doesn’t cut inside and gets on his bike every time his fullback has the ball. Maybe Key will have to make runs inside.

I thought Ronald combined well with Naughton yesterday, who looked for the run and played him in a couple of times without piling forward himself.

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Whiterockin

As if by magic : The Swans throw it away again on 13:42 - Feb 4 by jack247
Obviously he has to play when fit, but I’m not sure how that combination will work. You can’t overlap a pacy winger who doesn’t cut inside and gets on his bike every time his fullback has the ball. Maybe Key will have to make runs inside. I thought Ronald combined well with Naughton yesterday, who looked for the run and played him in a couple of times without piling forward himself.

As you say I can see Key cutting inside similar to what Tymon does on the other side. We are going to have attacking options everywhere except up top.

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