| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 20:43 - Sep 19 with 18565 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
This year the talk is about a range of tax rises to areas such as wealth, pensions and savings, fuel duty and property taxes. The clear risk here is that these measures will take money out of the economy as people move money between asset classes and the property market slows. A slow property market has a wide impact on legal services, building companies, DIY, furniture, white goods etc.
We are likely to see a lack of confidence in spending, combined with further pressure on some sectors pushing up prices and unemployment adding to today's problems.
Let's hope Reeves decides to stimulate confidence and get more money moving in the economy, the back benches seem to have won the day on Welfare Reform so I doubt it.
PS Why Part Deux, because the French are in the merde and we are not far behind them.
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 16:38 - Oct 21 with 1887 views | max936 |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 09:15 - Oct 21 by AnotherJohn |
Last month's government borrowing was the highest for many years. Public expenditure is running about 10% higher than last year. It won't take long to arrive at a financial crisis if this goes on much longer. [Post edited 21 Oct 16:05]
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That black hole left by the Tories has grown massively now hardly surprising when Starmer is giving billions away, why, to make himself look good abroad more like a soft touch the wet lettuce. |  |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 17:31 - Oct 21 with 1855 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 16:38 - Oct 21 by max936 |
That black hole left by the Tories has grown massively now hardly surprising when Starmer is giving billions away, why, to make himself look good abroad more like a soft touch the wet lettuce. |
It’s not working. All the other world leaders seem to be openly laughing at him.
I almost feel sorry for him sometimes. |  |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 17:39 - Oct 21 with 1845 views | Whiterockin |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 16:32 - Oct 21 by max936 |
Hitting the disabled again, disabled and pensioners are easy targets.
She's borrowed another 22 billion now then, where's that going I wonder. Must be a another needy country looking for a hand out, better to do that than spend it where it should be spent. |
If someone is entitled to the benefit thats fine, but its probably the most abused benifit in the UK. Just tell all manufacturers to supply the price for one model each and offer no choice. Motorbility should be a basic benifit, not son in laws driving round in luxury cars because they take their mother in law to the supermarket once a week is a piss take. |  | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 20:25 - Oct 21 with 1776 views | max936 |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 17:39 - Oct 21 by Whiterockin |
If someone is entitled to the benefit thats fine, but its probably the most abused benifit in the UK. Just tell all manufacturers to supply the price for one model each and offer no choice. Motorbility should be a basic benifit, not son in laws driving round in luxury cars because they take their mother in law to the supermarket once a week is a piss take. |
We got a Ford Transit Independence to carry my lad around and its needed with the size of his chair and the equipment and supplies that are needed for when he goes into respite etc.
we can even get his mobile hoist in the van with him so it is a useful vehicle. | |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 20:29 - Oct 21 with 1770 views | Dr_Winston |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 20:25 - Oct 21 by max936 |
We got a Ford Transit Independence to carry my lad around and its needed with the size of his chair and the equipment and supplies that are needed for when he goes into respite etc.
we can even get his mobile hoist in the van with him so it is a useful vehicle. |
Exactly the kind of case that the benefit exists for. Some scumbag getting a brand new Audi because two of her kids "have ADHD" is not. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 20:43 - Oct 21 with 1756 views | Whiterockin |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 20:25 - Oct 21 by max936 |
We got a Ford Transit Independence to carry my lad around and its needed with the size of his chair and the equipment and supplies that are needed for when he goes into respite etc.
we can even get his mobile hoist in the van with him so it is a useful vehicle. |
Exactly what the scheme is designed for and fully deserved. But there really are far to many abusing the system, the loopholes need to be removed. My friend works alongside Motorbility you really wouldn't believe some of the scams being used within the current rules. | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 21:21 - Oct 21 with 1716 views | max936 |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 20:43 - Oct 21 by Whiterockin |
Exactly what the scheme is designed for and fully deserved. But there really are far to many abusing the system, the loopholes need to be removed. My friend works alongside Motorbility you really wouldn't believe some of the scams being used within the current rules. |
I've heard about the scams and the same about blue badges. | |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 21:48 - Oct 21 with 1686 views | majorraglan |
Some really good points being made in this thread.
There’s a huge waiting list for neurodiverse assessments and a lot of it is being fuelled by the benefits claim culture. ADHD can be a golden key to benefits, some children need the assessments and support but others don't and some parents are seeing it as an opportunity to extract someone else’s hard earned tax in benefits.
On the other hand, I’ve recently had some professional dealings with a 3 or 4 of guys who’ve had pretty poor upbringings, struggled academically, been cut adrift from school etc, social skill deficiencies, got in a bit of bother with the law and spent time doing bird. They’ve come out and been assessed properly and they’re all well up on the spectrum, if they’d have been identified maybe their lives wouldn’t have gone the way they have. I dare say in many cases poor parenting has played a part, but domestic kids have been let down.
I’m not sure what the answer is, but things have to change. The people who need help should get it, those who are playing the system need to be sorted. TBH I’m not sure if any party has the will to address this, it’s an issue that started to get out of control under the last government and has snowballed over 4 or 5 years.
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 15:48 - Oct 22 with 1572 views | AnotherJohn |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 21:48 - Oct 21 by majorraglan |
Some really good points being made in this thread.
There’s a huge waiting list for neurodiverse assessments and a lot of it is being fuelled by the benefits claim culture. ADHD can be a golden key to benefits, some children need the assessments and support but others don't and some parents are seeing it as an opportunity to extract someone else’s hard earned tax in benefits.
On the other hand, I’ve recently had some professional dealings with a 3 or 4 of guys who’ve had pretty poor upbringings, struggled academically, been cut adrift from school etc, social skill deficiencies, got in a bit of bother with the law and spent time doing bird. They’ve come out and been assessed properly and they’re all well up on the spectrum, if they’d have been identified maybe their lives wouldn’t have gone the way they have. I dare say in many cases poor parenting has played a part, but domestic kids have been let down.
I’m not sure what the answer is, but things have to change. The people who need help should get it, those who are playing the system need to be sorted. TBH I’m not sure if any party has the will to address this, it’s an issue that started to get out of control under the last government and has snowballed over 4 or 5 years.
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I wonder if we would have seen the same upward trend in disability spending without COVID? It may be that shifting cultural norms were already having an effect. Some writers have interesting things to say about how the contemporary preoccupation with "wellbeing" is leading to a medicalisation of what we used to regard as normal problems of living.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9783616/ | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 16:11 - Oct 22 with 1555 views | Dr_Winston |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 15:48 - Oct 22 by AnotherJohn |
I wonder if we would have seen the same upward trend in disability spending without COVID? It may be that shifting cultural norms were already having an effect. Some writers have interesting things to say about how the contemporary preoccupation with "wellbeing" is leading to a medicalisation of what we used to regard as normal problems of living.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9783616/ |
The lack of face to face assessments since Covid is a big issue. There are plenty of places online where people can learn the "correct" answers to questions on benefit applications and the numbers have spiralled accordingly.
Apart from in rare circumstances such as terminal illness or an independently verified disability, nothing should be awarded without an in person medical assessment. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 16:18 - Oct 22 with 1545 views | Whiterockin |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 16:11 - Oct 22 by Dr_Winston |
The lack of face to face assessments since Covid is a big issue. There are plenty of places online where people can learn the "correct" answers to questions on benefit applications and the numbers have spiralled accordingly.
Apart from in rare circumstances such as terminal illness or an independently verified disability, nothing should be awarded without an in person medical assessment. |
The remember the old "lift not working" trick. | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 19:44 - Oct 24 with 1416 views | Whiterockin |
We will not raise taxes for working people. That went well, so much for manifesto promises. | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 23:29 - Oct 24 with 1354 views | max936 |
This new Labour are digging their own grave, they've got clueless buffoons running the show. | |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 01:43 - Oct 25 with 1319 views | Robbie |
Raise on Income Tax for any working man will finish off Labour overnight .
Maybe a lesson learned from Caerphilly will be laughed of by Rach from accounts .
Any decent Labour leaders still in the picture , Ange is making noises again from the Back Benches now , sentence served , my so called Leader chucked me under the bus .
Keep your friends close , but your enemies even closer . | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 08:07 - Oct 25 with 1277 views | Dr_Winston |
Given a choice between getting a grip on spending or raising taxes, Labour will always raise taxes. It's what they do. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 11:33 - Oct 25 with 1219 views | onehunglow |
The very antithesis of people taking responsibility for their finances and providing for a future
Millions will ask why bother to save at all when Government tax you as you near end of life
Vicious callous bastards | |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 12:59 - Oct 25 with 1187 views | Whiterockin |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 11:33 - Oct 25 by onehunglow |
The very antithesis of people taking responsibility for their finances and providing for a future
Millions will ask why bother to save at all when Government tax you as you near end of life
Vicious callous bastards |
Exactly. Don't save, dont invest, don't work hard, do the minimum and blow everything we earn, then live off the state and see how that works out. | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 07:01 - Oct 31 with 932 views | AnotherJohn |
Latest on the welfare side is no savings can be made - the lemmings are getting close to the cliff edge.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/disability-benefits-bill-welfare-sa
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Ministers have shelved attempts to rein in Britain’s soaring disability benefits bill, telling a government-led review that it did not need to identify any savings.
Sir Keir Starmer ordered the review by Sir Stephen Timms, the welfare minister, to appease Labour backbenchers rebelling over the plan to save up to £5 billion by limiting access to personal independence payments (Pip). The government was ultimately forced to abandon the plans anyway.
It has emerged that the review, which formally started this week, is not expected to find any savings from the ballooning costs of Pip. Instead, it has been tasked to operate within the budget watchdog’s existing projections for disability benefits spending, which Starmer previously described as unsustainable.
The Office for Budget Responsibility estimated last year that Pip spending would almost double from £18 billion last year to £34 billion by the end of the decade. | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 07:43 - Oct 31 with 894 views | Whiterockin |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 07:01 - Oct 31 by AnotherJohn |
Latest on the welfare side is no savings can be made - the lemmings are getting close to the cliff edge.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/disability-benefits-bill-welfare-sa
[Extract from behind paywall]
Ministers have shelved attempts to rein in Britain’s soaring disability benefits bill, telling a government-led review that it did not need to identify any savings.
Sir Keir Starmer ordered the review by Sir Stephen Timms, the welfare minister, to appease Labour backbenchers rebelling over the plan to save up to £5 billion by limiting access to personal independence payments (Pip). The government was ultimately forced to abandon the plans anyway.
It has emerged that the review, which formally started this week, is not expected to find any savings from the ballooning costs of Pip. Instead, it has been tasked to operate within the budget watchdog’s existing projections for disability benefits spending, which Starmer previously described as unsustainable.
The Office for Budget Responsibility estimated last year that Pip spending would almost double from £18 billion last year to £34 billion by the end of the decade. |
Just what sort of country are we leaving our children and grandchildren. | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 11:53 - Oct 31 with 808 views | onehunglow |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 11:36 - Sep 20 by johnlangy |
So much has been said about millionaires leaving the UK. Almost everyone blames this on Rachel Reeves' last budget. The biggest number i've seen is 16,500. That is around 0.5% of all millionaires in the country. So that leaves just 3,283,500 (approx).
What i'd like to know is how many of them were already planning on leaving anyway, nothing to do with the budget. Some of them certainly would have been. Then i'd also like to know how many millionaires came into the country in the same period. Some certainly would have.
Just a few thoughts. |
Id feck off for sure
Why don’t you I hear you say 
This land is not our land anymore
We have lost our guts that once defined us | |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 13:18 - Oct 31 with 776 views | trampie |
They reckon the mega rich won't leave because all the property they own is here, the land they own is here and the people that pay them rent on their properties and land are here, plus they are so rich a wealth tax won't make them leave.
Money makes money, the money they make they just buy streets, shopping centres, office blocks, they don't need anymore yachts and sports cars they buy housing stock and land until the price of remaining housing stock and land is so much the middle classes can't afford it. |  |
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| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 18:45 - Nov 2 with 661 views | Whiterockin |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 17:39 - Oct 21 by Whiterockin |
If someone is entitled to the benefit thats fine, but its probably the most abused benifit in the UK. Just tell all manufacturers to supply the price for one model each and offer no choice. Motorbility should be a basic benifit, not son in laws driving round in luxury cars because they take their mother in law to the supermarket once a week is a piss take. |
I wonder if Rach reads this board.
Reeves to ban luxury cars for benefit claimants https://share.google/KlLWeeow6mPuvEoAV | | | |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 19:04 - Nov 2 with 625 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Budget Speculation - Part Deux 2025 on 11:53 - Oct 31 by onehunglow |
Id feck off for sure
Why don’t you I hear you say
This land is not our land anymore
We have lost our guts that once defined us |
300,000 euros gets you a golden visa to Portugal and access to the Schengen Area, it's a very attractive deal if you have the cash. | |
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