| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan 17:30 - Nov 2 with 4843 views | thomas65 |
Our fan base is split on Sheehan.
If we stick do things improve ?
If we twist no guarantee replacement will be better.
I am interested to know what is the Indy view on Sheehan as I’ve always respected your opinions.
Thanks
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:57 - Nov 4 with 1448 views | EagleEye |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:15 - Nov 2 by KeithHaynes |
How do Thomas, stick for now.
No need for any rash decisions.
Although he’s still near to the precipice they won’t sack him for now, no plans to, not even a discussion for those making the decisions. |
That precipice can come at him very quickly. This time last year there were not many advocating getting rid of Luke Williams. He was getting similar results, win, draw, defeat etc. Constant reminders that we were closer to the play off places than relegation proved to be a false dawn.
He could not change his approach & would not. A bad run (seven (?) games without a win with some chastening defeats) had us staring at the trap door. At least we had Sheehan to fall back on.
Sheehan has proved in the last 2 games that he is willing to make changes unlike LW. However we are only a bad run of being in the same position. Sheehan needs to stop making poor selections, substitutions & playing so conservatively. It doesn’t look like we have an in house fall back option within the club this time. Failure will be costly & more difficult to put us in a position to tread water to the end of the season. |  | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 10:00 - Nov 4 with 1419 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:57 - Nov 4 by EagleEye |
That precipice can come at him very quickly. This time last year there were not many advocating getting rid of Luke Williams. He was getting similar results, win, draw, defeat etc. Constant reminders that we were closer to the play off places than relegation proved to be a false dawn.
He could not change his approach & would not. A bad run (seven (?) games without a win with some chastening defeats) had us staring at the trap door. At least we had Sheehan to fall back on.
Sheehan has proved in the last 2 games that he is willing to make changes unlike LW. However we are only a bad run of being in the same position. Sheehan needs to stop making poor selections, substitutions & playing so conservatively. It doesn’t look like we have an in house fall back option within the club this time. Failure will be costly & more difficult to put us in a position to tread water to the end of the season. |
Indeed that is the case
Well put | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 10:00 - Nov 4 with 1423 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:57 - Nov 4 by EagleEye |
That precipice can come at him very quickly. This time last year there were not many advocating getting rid of Luke Williams. He was getting similar results, win, draw, defeat etc. Constant reminders that we were closer to the play off places than relegation proved to be a false dawn.
He could not change his approach & would not. A bad run (seven (?) games without a win with some chastening defeats) had us staring at the trap door. At least we had Sheehan to fall back on.
Sheehan has proved in the last 2 games that he is willing to make changes unlike LW. However we are only a bad run of being in the same position. Sheehan needs to stop making poor selections, substitutions & playing so conservatively. It doesn’t look like we have an in house fall back option within the club this time. Failure will be costly & more difficult to put us in a position to tread water to the end of the season. |
There is a massive difference between williams and sheehan, one allegedly told lies and lost the dressing room, the other is a thoroughly decent bloke who is trying his best. |  | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 10:30 - Nov 4 with 1377 views | wwcigne |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:28 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
The season so far is reasonable surely?
He’s had 13 league games. He got the job in about the same number last season. |
We played better in those games under him last season,fast and attacking , I think that’s the problem,he’s gone far too slow and cautious this season and now he’s trying not to lose games instead of going out and trying to win them ,we’ve got the players to go after teams now and I hope he realises this and we start getting results | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 11:25 - Nov 4 with 1340 views | EagleEye |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 10:00 - Nov 4 by Fireboy2 |
There is a massive difference between williams and sheehan, one allegedly told lies and lost the dressing room, the other is a thoroughly decent bloke who is trying his best. |
Different people different personalities but position in the league is very very similar to where we were this time last season | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 12:32 - Nov 4 with 1284 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 11:25 - Nov 4 by EagleEye |
Different people different personalities but position in the league is very very similar to where we were this time last season |
Yes i know, williams was doing so well until his mask slipped.
Sheehan is a different person altogether, im certain he will do ok for us. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 12:45 - Nov 4 with 1272 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 11:25 - Nov 4 by EagleEye |
Different people different personalities but position in the league is very very similar to where we were this time last season |
Williams wasn’t under threat this time last year, in fact he thought he was going to West Brom just after Christmas and it was plausible at the time.
Then he went on a stinking run and probably lasted longer than he should have.
He hadn’t been heavily backed though and was dealing with a very thin squad. Sheehan has much better resources and that needs to be taken into account when judging him.
I’m on the fence at the moment. Two wins or two losses this week would sway me either way. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 12:53 - Nov 4 with 1257 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 12:45 - Nov 4 by jack247 |
Williams wasn’t under threat this time last year, in fact he thought he was going to West Brom just after Christmas and it was plausible at the time.
Then he went on a stinking run and probably lasted longer than he should have.
He hadn’t been heavily backed though and was dealing with a very thin squad. Sheehan has much better resources and that needs to be taken into account when judging him.
I’m on the fence at the moment. Two wins or two losses this week would sway me either way. |
Exactly where I am. He's changed the set up of the side which shows he is flexible, he needs to be proactive during matches now. Holding for a point when we are on top is not proactive. |  | | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 12:58 - Nov 4 with 1247 views | raynor94 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 12:45 - Nov 4 by jack247 |
Williams wasn’t under threat this time last year, in fact he thought he was going to West Brom just after Christmas and it was plausible at the time.
Then he went on a stinking run and probably lasted longer than he should have.
He hadn’t been heavily backed though and was dealing with a very thin squad. Sheehan has much better resources and that needs to be taken into account when judging him.
I’m on the fence at the moment. Two wins or two losses this week would sway me either way. |
I agree with your last paragraph 2 losses this week and he's under real pressure
This squad of players should be performing far better I don't know if O'Dea has changed Sheehan's outlook we are back to slow sideways passing |  |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 14:23 - Nov 4 with 1205 views | howenjack |
" Faint heart never won fair maiden" ......................
"Winning isn't everything , it's the only thing". | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:27 - Nov 4 with 1095 views | swancity |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 12:45 - Nov 4 by jack247 |
Williams wasn’t under threat this time last year, in fact he thought he was going to West Brom just after Christmas and it was plausible at the time.
Then he went on a stinking run and probably lasted longer than he should have.
He hadn’t been heavily backed though and was dealing with a very thin squad. Sheehan has much better resources and that needs to be taken into account when judging him.
I’m on the fence at the moment. Two wins or two losses this week would sway me either way. |
“ Two wins of two losses could sway me either way “
With respect here, this is all that’s wrong with modern football and its fans. So assume we win the next two…. what then if we do that but lose the two or three after that? You cannot be that shallow to give managers a couple of games
Conversely two losses aren’t significant necessarily. Look at wider higher longer issues always. He deserves time. He’s young, tactically aware and astute. This league is like no other. It’s cutthroat but you have to give people time when they show promise as Sheehan certainly has. | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:37 - Nov 4 with 1078 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:27 - Nov 4 by swancity |
“ Two wins of two losses could sway me either way “
With respect here, this is all that’s wrong with modern football and its fans. So assume we win the next two…. what then if we do that but lose the two or three after that? You cannot be that shallow to give managers a couple of games
Conversely two losses aren’t significant necessarily. Look at wider higher longer issues always. He deserves time. He’s young, tactically aware and astute. This league is like no other. It’s cutthroat but you have to give people time when they show promise as Sheehan certainly has. |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 22:01 - Nov 4 with 1031 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:27 - Nov 4 by swancity |
“ Two wins of two losses could sway me either way “
With respect here, this is all that’s wrong with modern football and its fans. So assume we win the next two…. what then if we do that but lose the two or three after that? You cannot be that shallow to give managers a couple of games
Conversely two losses aren’t significant necessarily. Look at wider higher longer issues always. He deserves time. He’s young, tactically aware and astute. This league is like no other. It’s cutthroat but you have to give people time when they show promise as Sheehan certainly has. |
I haven’t given him a couple of games, we’re thirteen games in. Don’t try to frame it like it’s two games without context.
He overachieved dramatically last season and consequently earned a job he’d have got nowhere near without that brilliant run.
This season, he has fallen short of expectations and up until he went 5 at the back, been unable to even attack through the middle. Two games ago, I wanted him out. Since then, there have been a few green shoots. I thought we were excellent second half Saturday. If we can keep that up tomorrow and Saturday, I’ll think he’s the man for us
If he goes back to 433, or we go back to disjointed football and only attacking down the wings, then I’ll quite likely want a change.
It’s ok to change your mind about a manager when he does something to merit it. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 22:11 - Nov 4 with 1013 views | Dr_Winston |
Sheehan didn't really overachieve last season. He got a level of performance out of that squad of players that they were always capable of but which Williams hadn't managed to obtain. Many of us were aware and often stated that the team was better than we had seen as the season progressed, even before we started imploding.
Four or five games might be an overachievement. He managed more than a dozen. That was no fluke.
However, he is clearly underachieving so far this season. For whatever reason he's decided to follow the same discredited processes that his predecessor did, ignoring the possibilities that his squad offer him. We could, and should, be offering more entertainment than we have. We could, and should, have taken more points.
If he doesn't he'll need to be replaced. |  |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:30 - Nov 5 with 889 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 22:11 - Nov 4 by Dr_Winston |
Sheehan didn't really overachieve last season. He got a level of performance out of that squad of players that they were always capable of but which Williams hadn't managed to obtain. Many of us were aware and often stated that the team was better than we had seen as the season progressed, even before we started imploding.
Four or five games might be an overachievement. He managed more than a dozen. That was no fluke.
However, he is clearly underachieving so far this season. For whatever reason he's decided to follow the same discredited processes that his predecessor did, ignoring the possibilities that his squad offer him. We could, and should, be offering more entertainment than we have. We could, and should, have taken more points.
If he doesn't he'll need to be replaced. |
I’m not buying he didn’t overachieve last season. 1.85 points per game, as a caretaker. Would have put us 4th over a season, with a threadbare squad.
No way he’d have got the job if he’d just done what was expected. Pretending otherwise is just a clever way to have another dig at Luke Williams. No real need, everyone wanted him sacked anyway.
He’s got a much better squad this time though and I agree, up until the Man City game, he was playing similar football to Williams. Really hope the back five is here to stay and the passive and dour football is reserved for seeing games out.
I don’t know if Stamenic is back, but Yalcouye is. Tonight is a big test because he has to leave two from them and Franco out if he wants to set up like that. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:42 - Nov 5 with 879 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:30 - Nov 5 by jack247 |
I’m not buying he didn’t overachieve last season. 1.85 points per game, as a caretaker. Would have put us 4th over a season, with a threadbare squad.
No way he’d have got the job if he’d just done what was expected. Pretending otherwise is just a clever way to have another dig at Luke Williams. No real need, everyone wanted him sacked anyway.
He’s got a much better squad this time though and I agree, up until the Man City game, he was playing similar football to Williams. Really hope the back five is here to stay and the passive and dour football is reserved for seeing games out.
I don’t know if Stamenic is back, but Yalcouye is. Tonight is a big test because he has to leave two from them and Franco out if he wants to set up like that. |
Nobody is pretending anything.
I, and others regularly voiced concerns last season about the way we were playing well before the WBA debacle. Some people thought that Williams was doing as well as he possibly could with the squad he had. Sheehan demonstrated otherwise.
Like I said, a new manager bounce might last four or five games. When it extends to a quarter of a season then perhaps a bit more credit is due. | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 10:02 - Nov 5 with 840 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:42 - Nov 5 by Dr_Winston |
Nobody is pretending anything.
I, and others regularly voiced concerns last season about the way we were playing well before the WBA debacle. Some people thought that Williams was doing as well as he possibly could with the squad he had. Sheehan demonstrated otherwise.
Like I said, a new manager bounce might last four or five games. When it extends to a quarter of a season then perhaps a bit more credit is due. |
Yeah I did.
Someone posted the other day Sheehan has about as many points now as Williams did a year ago.
He had Naughton covering the whole back four
Grimes, Franco and Fulton as pretty much our only fit and capable midfielders with Joe Allen doing what he could
Cullen, last seasons Vipotnik and Bianchini up front.
Four points off the playoffs at Christmas. Although the football was dreary, I thought that was a reasonable return given most teams in the top half had proper squads.
A week later, the West Brom thing happened and he started losing every week. Like I said further up, I’ll change my opinion on a manager if they do something to merit it.
If you think that squad, with O’Brien for Grimes, finishing fourth over 46 games is about right, we’ve just got a different level of expectation. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 10:18 - Nov 5 with 814 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:54 - Nov 3 by pencoedjack |
Yep 5 points off the playoffs.
Stick for me although I do feel we are playing with the handbrake on which is frustrating |
Nobody can be certain | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:38 - Nov 5 with 696 views | swancity |
Jack247
You actually said;
“ Two wins or losses this week would sway me either way “.
You’ve probably reflected on the stupidity and fickleness of that comment. Do you seriously believe that? A draw this evening will be viewed as a decent result. Whatever happens this week will not determine anything, one way or the other. It’s a long season. With lots of bumps on the way. Got help us if we lose two on the trot ….  | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:17 - Nov 5 with 664 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:38 - Nov 5 by swancity |
Jack247
You actually said;
“ Two wins or losses this week would sway me either way “.
You’ve probably reflected on the stupidity and fickleness of that comment. Do you seriously believe that? A draw this evening will be viewed as a decent result. Whatever happens this week will not determine anything, one way or the other. It’s a long season. With lots of bumps on the way. Got help us if we lose two on the trot …. |
You seem to have interpreted that as me judging him solely on two games, not the thirteen we’ve already played where he’s got us to seventeenth in the table playing drab football.
There were good signs against Man City and Charlton. If that continues I’d want him to stay, if we revert to the way we played until then, I wouldn’t.
This may be news to you, but nearly every manager that gets sacked has a game or a short sequence of games that decide his future. In your head, they are only being judged on their final game.
Lineup is encouraging. 541. I was concerned he may go back to 433 now Yalcouye is back. If he abandons the way we played for the first twelve games, I think we’ll be fine. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 05:30 - Nov 12 with 395 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:38 - Nov 5 by swancity |
Jack247
You actually said;
“ Two wins or losses this week would sway me either way “.
You’ve probably reflected on the stupidity and fickleness of that comment. Do you seriously believe that? A draw this evening will be viewed as a decent result. Whatever happens this week will not determine anything, one way or the other. It’s a long season. With lots of bumps on the way. Got help us if we lose two on the trot …. |
Would you like to reflect on this comment? | | | |
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