| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished 17:08 - Nov 26 with 2723 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyx4ggyj44o
The two child benefit cap came in under Osbourne and Cameron after the press had highlighted several family's living the good life with ,20 children and counting. Reeves does not remember this probably.
If she did remember it she would raise the 2 child cap to a 5 child cap. It is just rank bad politics. The Daily Express will already be getting reports from the 24 people sized family none of whom have ever done a day's work. It is a gift for Reform as Asians traditionally have big families too..
The definition of " child poverty" is weak also as it is a percentage 60% of the average. As far as I understand it since it is a percentage "abolish Child poverty" is a mathematical Impossibility. Idea for mathematically illiterate Socialist s like Diane Abbott.
If people want to call me out I will point out that I probably was raised in child poverty in real terms not percentages due to going without and having to graft on a very rudimentary farm in Carmarthenshire where gard physical work was required. It gave me a work ethic and ambition. It was dirty cold and not very comfortable..
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:24 - Dec 2 with 934 views | Demitrius |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:18 - Dec 2 by controversial_jack |
Do you have a breakdown of those benefits? It's £17.25 per week for an extra child. An extra 3 kids would be £2600 a year [Post edited 2 Dec 12:37]
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That's just child benefit which everyone under a certain threshold is entitled to claim whether in work or not. You used to be given the forms to fill in at the hospital when your partner gives birth. I think they stopped that after the Tories tweaked the rules and failed to properly inform the public via HMRC. It has never been capped on numbers just household income.
UC is £292 a month per extra child, it was previously capped at 2. So if you have 5 kids you now get an extra approx E900 a month, plus your rent, which usually includes any bills service charges paid in full.
It's all on GOV.UK if you want to read the details |  |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:41 - Dec 2 with 864 views | Boundy |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:24 - Dec 2 by Demitrius |
That's just child benefit which everyone under a certain threshold is entitled to claim whether in work or not. You used to be given the forms to fill in at the hospital when your partner gives birth. I think they stopped that after the Tories tweaked the rules and failed to properly inform the public via HMRC. It has never been capped on numbers just household income.
UC is £292 a month per extra child, it was previously capped at 2. So if you have 5 kids you now get an extra approx E900 a month, plus your rent, which usually includes any bills service charges paid in full.
It's all on GOV.UK if you want to read the details |
So reading that I have to assume the children who are in "poverty" are the children of parents too stupid to screw the system, work and pay taxes .
The country is doomed . |  |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 15:43 - Dec 2 with 854 views | onehunglow |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:41 - Dec 2 by Boundy |
So reading that I have to assume the children who are in "poverty" are the children of parents too stupid to screw the system, work and pay taxes .
The country is doomed . |
Hey, imagine having to go to school with an old phone | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 16:13 - Dec 2 with 837 views | shingle |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:18 - Dec 2 by controversial_jack |
Do you have a breakdown of those benefits? It's £17.25 per week for an extra child. An extra 3 kids would be £2600 a year [Post edited 2 Dec 12:37]
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Google it yourself you lazy git don't forget to add each benifit up, another poster has kindly explained things to you so you should be able to work it out | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:11 - Dec 2 with 795 views | controversial_jack |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 13:24 - Dec 2 by Demitrius |
That's just child benefit which everyone under a certain threshold is entitled to claim whether in work or not. You used to be given the forms to fill in at the hospital when your partner gives birth. I think they stopped that after the Tories tweaked the rules and failed to properly inform the public via HMRC. It has never been capped on numbers just household income.
UC is £292 a month per extra child, it was previously capped at 2. So if you have 5 kids you now get an extra approx E900 a month, plus your rent, which usually includes any bills service charges paid in full.
It's all on GOV.UK if you want to read the details |
That's only if your children are over 16 and living with you | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 23:21 - Dec 2 with 761 views | Demitrius |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:11 - Dec 2 by controversial_jack |
That's only if your children are over 16 and living with you |
Nope. Under 16... | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 12:39 - Dec 3 with 688 views | onehunglow |
Every time we allow the phrase “ children in poverty” we shit on the graves of our forebearers | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 17:25 - Dec 3 with 607 views | controversial_jack |
I know a single mother m, and she get's £173 a month for 2 kids. It's a long way for the fortunes stated in the media and on govt website | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:44 - Dec 3 with 552 views | raynor94 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 17:25 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack |
I know a single mother m, and she get's £173 a month for 2 kids. It's a long way for the fortunes stated in the media and on govt website |
Is she on other benefits? |  |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 20:05 - Dec 3 with 490 views | Demitrius |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 17:25 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack |
I know a single mother m, and she get's £173 a month for 2 kids. It's a long way for the fortunes stated in the media and on govt website |
That is CHILD BENEFIT as explained in earlier posts.
It’s not the UC element that is where the £292 comes in and the cap being removed …after £339 for the first born kid.
It’s a common misconception- admittedly the GOv.UK spiel is badly written but I know friends and family that are on/have been on UC and know the amounts they get. Some justified some not so much. | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:46 - Dec 3 with 420 views | controversial_jack |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:44 - Dec 3 by raynor94 |
Is she on other benefits? |
She is herself. She gets UC , but that's all she gets for her 2 kids. It's a long way from the fortune that is bandied about in the press | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:49 - Dec 3 with 422 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 17:25 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack |
I know a single mother m, and she get's £173 a month for 2 kids. It's a long way for the fortunes stated in the media and on govt website |
A family with both parents working and 3 children have to earn £70,000 a year to match the benefits a family with both parents unemployed and three children.
The reason is simple the working family, after the personal allowance , have to pay tax and NI on nearly £50,000 which works out at £15000.
The family on benefits of course pays no income tax as well as getting help with their rent and discount on their council tax bill. | |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:22 - Dec 4 with 339 views | controversial_jack |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:49 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
A family with both parents working and 3 children have to earn £70,000 a year to match the benefits a family with both parents unemployed and three children.
The reason is simple the working family, after the personal allowance , have to pay tax and NI on nearly £50,000 which works out at £15000.
The family on benefits of course pays no income tax as well as getting help with their rent and discount on their council tax bill. |
On a gross annual salary of £50,000 in the UK for the 2025/26 tax year, you will pay approximately £10,480 in combined Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, resulting in a take-home pay of around £39,520. | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:43 - Dec 4 with 318 views | Whiterockin |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:22 - Dec 4 by controversial_jack |
On a gross annual salary of £50,000 in the UK for the 2025/26 tax year, you will pay approximately £10,480 in combined Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, resulting in a take-home pay of around £39,520. |
I think you misunderstood his post, I suggest you read it carefully again. |  | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 16:06 - Dec 4 with 279 views | Gwyn737 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:49 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
A family with both parents working and 3 children have to earn £70,000 a year to match the benefits a family with both parents unemployed and three children.
The reason is simple the working family, after the personal allowance , have to pay tax and NI on nearly £50,000 which works out at £15000.
The family on benefits of course pays no income tax as well as getting help with their rent and discount on their council tax bill. |
The £70k is possible but would need a set of really specific needs such as:
1. Exemption from the Benefit Cap: At least one adult or child receives a high-rate disability benefit (PIP/DLA).
2. High Need for Disability Benefits: Multiple family members (e.g., both parents and a child) receiving the highest rates of disability benefits (PIP/DLA).
3. Extremely High Housing Costs: The family lives in a very high-rent area, such as Central London, where the Housing Element of Universal Credit would be very high.
As I said, entirely possible but an exception. | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:19 - Dec 4 with 246 views | shingle |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 14:22 - Dec 4 by controversial_jack |
On a gross annual salary of £50,000 in the UK for the 2025/26 tax year, you will pay approximately £10,480 in combined Income Tax and National Insurance contributions, resulting in a take-home pay of around £39,520. |
It is probably best if you take your time concentrate and read the comment and maybe Google the bits of the comment that you are having difficulty with, even using AI will help you to understand what is being explained to you  | | | |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:50 - Dec 4 with 229 views | union_jack |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:49 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
A family with both parents working and 3 children have to earn £70,000 a year to match the benefits a family with both parents unemployed and three children.
The reason is simple the working family, after the personal allowance , have to pay tax and NI on nearly £50,000 which works out at £15000.
The family on benefits of course pays no income tax as well as getting help with their rent and discount on their council tax bill. |
And full, proper NI contributions which lead to a full state pension! |  |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 20:51 - Dec 4 with 189 views | max936 |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 18:50 - Dec 4 by union_jack |
And full, proper NI contributions which lead to a full state pension! |
And with governments raising the retirement ages over the years, 48yrs I've worked and I've two more years to go, maybe longer cause I won't be able to afford to retire the way prices are going, just had my energy bill and it's a shocker. |  |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 21:04 - Dec 4 with 175 views | Dr_Winston |
The example I provide may or may not (I leave that up to you to decide) be based on a real example that I know of.
A couple. Both non-UK citizens. In council housing. One has been deemed not fit for work or work related activity. The other, as a result, is a full time carer. Two children. In the interests of fairness I have calculated that neither child receives DLA.
£2177.96 per month in Universal Credit.
£187.63 in Child Benefit.
£138.49 in Council Tax benefit.
£830.13 in PIP.
That's £3,334.21 monthly in benefits for people who have never contributed into the tax system. Considerably more than most people in this area earn working full time. This is unsustainable and morally reprehensible. [Post edited 4 Dec 22:07]
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:55 - Dec 4 with 115 views | Dr_Winston |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:41 - Dec 4 by max936 |
100% it's bad enough that we're have to keep our own people without having to keep another countries people, the saying the land of milk and honey has never run truer. |
It's not even a nationality thing. For a number of years, possibly decades, there has been a push to ensure that people on low incomes, whether that be social security or menial jobs, get the same financial benefits as anyone else.
That needs to end. Any functional economy needs to reward work, needs to reward self improvement, needs to reward contribution. Otherwise we're basically f*cked. If you're dependent on benefits then yes, you shouldn't be able to afford to enjoy life as much as someone earning a decent full time salary. That's exactly as it should be.
I've worked with people with serious health issues. From brain injury caused disabilities to Dwarfism (that poor sod had to have his back medically broken every couple of years just to stay upright). Any of these people could have chosen to sit on their arses and live off benefits but chose to work instead.
That's the standard that should be set for everyone. [Post edited 4 Dec 22:56]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 23:37 - Dec 4 with 82 views | Demitrius |
| Child poverty 2 child benefit cap abolished on 22:55 - Dec 4 by Dr_Winston |
It's not even a nationality thing. For a number of years, possibly decades, there has been a push to ensure that people on low incomes, whether that be social security or menial jobs, get the same financial benefits as anyone else.
That needs to end. Any functional economy needs to reward work, needs to reward self improvement, needs to reward contribution. Otherwise we're basically f*cked. If you're dependent on benefits then yes, you shouldn't be able to afford to enjoy life as much as someone earning a decent full time salary. That's exactly as it should be.
I've worked with people with serious health issues. From brain injury caused disabilities to Dwarfism (that poor sod had to have his back medically broken every couple of years just to stay upright). Any of these people could have chosen to sit on their arses and live off benefits but chose to work instead.
That's the standard that should be set for everyone. [Post edited 4 Dec 22:56]
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This...
You don't need just shy of £300 tax free to provide for a child, each child, a month...
It needs to be far less over the minimum than than the basic CB - £173 a month for two for example - needed for the new shoes, school uniforms,clothing etc which is why it was brought in by the Welfare State in the first place.
The figure is open to debate but UC should not reward idlement, If you refuse to work benefits must be stopped...or at the very least cut back to the bare minimum.
There are folks , from next year claiming an extra £1500 a month Universal Credit child allowance for the simple fact of having spat out 5 kids...that's a lot of fish fingers, beans and chips or Pot Noodles for tea ...and crisps and a fizzy drink for breakfast isn't it ? Mum's Gone to Iceland...then her dealer...
No doubt the surplus will be spent on booze, weed and Netflix by many of the feckless parents..It happens and it's far more widespread than the hand-wringing socialist apologists would have everyone believe - let's not pretend it doesn't ...
Then there's the millions of immigratnts who cannot believe their luck that we indulge, and agree with their Islamic view that women can't /shouldn't work and throw them £millions in benefits to facilitate their stone age religious hegemony...
Our precious lauded "Communities" ?.... up yours Starmer...
The benefits lifestyle we have allowed to fester is a cancer in our collective economy and wealth....
When a nation has a culture of not making work pay and aspiration dashed on the rocks of state reliance, it is doomed...it becomes the failed state many migrants are legging it from.
But never mind, Jesus H Corbyn and the Tit Hypnotiser Zak Snaggletooth are here to save us from our toxic "far right" selves..
Halal-bloody-lulliah [Post edited 5 Dec 8:57]
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