| Starmer and Trump 10:30 - Mar 5 with 3624 views | johnlangy |
Over the last few days Marco Rubio said on one day that 'we knew that if someone were to attack Iran that we'd need to attack them as well'. Someone obviously being Israel.
The next day in a press conference Rubio said that the attack was a joint one (US/Israel). A reporter tried reading him his actual words from just the day before but he wouldn't listen. He and every other member of the US government are now all saying 'joint'. To me it sounds as if they were instructed to change their stories. I wonder who did the instructing. Another person suggested that the reason for the change in phrasing was because DT could not accept the idea that he was being forced to follow someone else.
Many people have been pushing Trump for him to disclose info about his 'plan' for the war and the aftermath. So far he's revealed nothing giving the impression he had no plan.
When questioned over the last few days DT has veered off in numerous different directions. The 'we're not dealing with Winston Churchill here' was a funny one. And stupid at the same time. I wouldn't give DT the compliment of comparing him with Roosevelt. I would say that he makes George dubya Bush look like an intellectual heavyweight.
He also veered off with yet another about turn on the Chagos deal. When people say I have no idea what he's going to say next the fact is that Trump himself doesn't know what he's going to say next.
When the US and UK attacked Iraq the attack, it was argued, was legal because they had a report which confirmed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The WMD info was later proved to be a lie showing that the invasion was illegal under International law. Since then Tony Blair's legacy has been trashed by just about everyone mainly because of the Iraq shambles. One of the people who argued against the Iraq war was Keir Starmer.
Keir Starmer, in his statement in the commons, said we've learned the lessons of the Iraq war. We are not going into a war unless the war is legal and we are not going into a war without a plan for what comes next.
To me the three points - lessons/legal/plan - are 100% correct. |  | | |  |
| Starmer and Trump on 11:35 - Mar 5 with 2467 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Heard an interesting arguement this morning that challenged the illegal bit, the interviewee ' international law expert ' listed in some depth all the illegal acts that Iran has been responsible for and those in his opinion were the basis for some action against the regime. |  |
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| Starmer and Trump on 12:13 - Mar 5 with 2442 views | johnlangy |
| Starmer and Trump on 11:35 - Mar 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Heard an interesting arguement this morning that challenged the illegal bit, the interviewee ' international law expert ' listed in some depth all the illegal acts that Iran has been responsible for and those in his opinion were the basis for some action against the regime. |
You're right Jack. I've seen/heard a number of people say that according to some experts our involvement would be legal.
But if Keir is acting on the advice of people he trusts then imo he's doing the right thing. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 12:52 - Mar 5 with 2418 views | Luther27 |
The last week has outlined where we are as a country. We appear to have a plethora of legal experts but seem to lack a Navy along with a depleted Army and RAF. But, as I’ve said we are fortunate to have an excess of legal experts. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 13:41 - Mar 5 with 2381 views | onehunglow |
| Starmer and Trump on 12:52 - Mar 5 by Luther27 |
The last week has outlined where we are as a country. We appear to have a plethora of legal experts but seem to lack a Navy along with a depleted Army and RAF. But, as I’ve said we are fortunate to have an excess of legal experts. |
We’re a mess
It’s been the result of years of insouciance | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 14:27 - Mar 5 with 2348 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The plan is a " greater Isreal" . Annexation of Arab lands is on the agenda . It is a a 100 year plan I would guess.
UK has no plans to expand. In fact it wants to shrink. An "old nation" with old man thinking. Russia, USA, Isreal, China all probably want to expand.
We in Wales have been dragged along the floor offered dependency scraps. Most energy comes these days from Asian immigrants.
I spoke to two young receptionists this morning . The Welsh one gave out " I cannot be e arsed" vibe. The Bangladeshi was keen as mustard.
Born in Bangladesh she has no plans in ever going back and her home is Wales. [Post edited 5 Mar 16:38]
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| Starmer and Trump on 15:02 - Mar 5 with 2323 views | raynor94 |
| Starmer and Trump on 14:27 - Mar 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The plan is a " greater Isreal" . Annexation of Arab lands is on the agenda . It is a a 100 year plan I would guess.
UK has no plans to expand. In fact it wants to shrink. An "old nation" with old man thinking. Russia, USA, Isreal, China all probably want to expand.
We in Wales have been dragged along the floor offered dependency scraps. Most energy comes these days from Asian immigrants.
I spoke to two young receptionists this morning . The Welsh one gave out " I cannot be e arsed" vibe. The Bangladeshi was keen as mustard.
Born in Bangladesh she has no plans in ever going back and her home is Wales. [Post edited 5 Mar 16:38]
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| Starmer and Trump on 16:40 - Mar 5 with 2271 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Starmer and Trump on 15:02 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
What company was this? |
Two opticians. One was local. The better service was from Specsavers. I am not mentioning the letter came form but they need better staff. | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 17:48 - Mar 5 with 2227 views | Gwyn737 |
| Starmer and Trump on 12:52 - Mar 5 by Luther27 |
The last week has outlined where we are as a country. We appear to have a plethora of legal experts but seem to lack a Navy along with a depleted Army and RAF. But, as I’ve said we are fortunate to have an excess of legal experts. |
We can blame governments but this wasn’t done in secret.
People voted for it.
Paying for it now. | | | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 18:18 - Mar 5 with 2197 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Starmer and Trump on 17:48 - Mar 5 by Gwyn737 |
We can blame governments but this wasn’t done in secret.
People voted for it.
Paying for it now. |
Yes, it's been happening for decades with no political party complaining, indeed they all have reduced the budget. | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 18:33 - Mar 5 with 2188 views | shingle |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:18 - Mar 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Yes, it's been happening for decades with no political party complaining, indeed they all have reduced the budget. |
Oh yes the people lol there is a reason why the elite rule over the masses they can implement almost anything on fools. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:33 - Mar 5 with 2188 views | raynor94 |
Being reported this afternoon that Starmer was in favour of attacking Iran but was forced to change tack by Milliband and the left wing cronies
How much longer can this paper Tiger stay in charge Thatcher wasn't for turning this fraud is spinning | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 19:08 - Mar 5 with 2158 views | Luther27 |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:33 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
Being reported this afternoon that Starmer was in favour of attacking Iran but was forced to change tack by Milliband and the left wing cronies
How much longer can this paper Tiger stay in charge Thatcher wasn't for turning this fraud is spinning |
Another career before duty decision yet again. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 19:47 - Mar 5 with 2133 views | KeithHaynes |
| Starmer and Trump on 14:27 - Mar 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The plan is a " greater Isreal" . Annexation of Arab lands is on the agenda . It is a a 100 year plan I would guess.
UK has no plans to expand. In fact it wants to shrink. An "old nation" with old man thinking. Russia, USA, Isreal, China all probably want to expand.
We in Wales have been dragged along the floor offered dependency scraps. Most energy comes these days from Asian immigrants.
I spoke to two young receptionists this morning . The Welsh one gave out " I cannot be e arsed" vibe. The Bangladeshi was keen as mustard.
Born in Bangladesh she has no plans in ever going back and her home is Wales. [Post edited 5 Mar 16:38]
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The Bangladeshi woman is working, paying taxes and contributing. That’s how it should be. |  |
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| Starmer and Trump on 21:45 - Mar 5 with 2071 views | majorraglan |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:33 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
Being reported this afternoon that Starmer was in favour of attacking Iran but was forced to change tack by Milliband and the left wing cronies
How much longer can this paper Tiger stay in charge Thatcher wasn't for turning this fraud is spinning |
Starmer is copping grief from the right wing press about allegedly being in favour of attacking Iran and then changing his mind, there may be truth in it or but equally there may not and it could be a hatchet job by the media. If he has had his mind changed then it shows the consensus and cabinet style of government works - as opposed to the dictatorial style we’re seeing in some parts of the world.
For the past 20 odd years we’ve had people criticising Blair for taking us in to the second gulf war and now, many of those voices who were critical of Blair are criticising Starmer because he hasn’t taken us in!!!
The US is also very split on this military intervention and many are against it, certainly more against than for.
What we do know is that Trump, Hegseth, and Rubio have all managed to contradict each other multiple times over the last few days.
It is about regime change then it isn’t.
It’s going to a short conflict, then it’s said it could go on for years
Last year the US said "totally obliterated" the Iranian nuclear programme, then all of a sudden the Iranians days away from making nuclear bombs.
There are lots of conflicting stories, where the exact truth lies I don’t know. Iran is without doubt a pariah State and has been exporting conflict throughout the Middle East,
The IRGG and other state groups are well embedded in Iran, so assassinating the Ayatollah may not be enough to force regime change. Lots of sources state there’s no credible government in waiting, so we could end up with an Iraq type scenario.
Israel is also experiencing significant internal conflict between the more liberal Jewish population and the right leaning and ultra orthodox groups Netanyahu relies on, so I dare say Netanyahu is under pressure to act. Whole thing is a mess. [Post edited 5 Mar 22:14]
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| Starmer and Trump on 23:08 - Mar 5 with 2025 views | max936 |
| Starmer and Trump on 21:45 - Mar 5 by majorraglan |
Starmer is copping grief from the right wing press about allegedly being in favour of attacking Iran and then changing his mind, there may be truth in it or but equally there may not and it could be a hatchet job by the media. If he has had his mind changed then it shows the consensus and cabinet style of government works - as opposed to the dictatorial style we’re seeing in some parts of the world.
For the past 20 odd years we’ve had people criticising Blair for taking us in to the second gulf war and now, many of those voices who were critical of Blair are criticising Starmer because he hasn’t taken us in!!!
The US is also very split on this military intervention and many are against it, certainly more against than for.
What we do know is that Trump, Hegseth, and Rubio have all managed to contradict each other multiple times over the last few days.
It is about regime change then it isn’t.
It’s going to a short conflict, then it’s said it could go on for years
Last year the US said "totally obliterated" the Iranian nuclear programme, then all of a sudden the Iranians days away from making nuclear bombs.
There are lots of conflicting stories, where the exact truth lies I don’t know. Iran is without doubt a pariah State and has been exporting conflict throughout the Middle East,
The IRGG and other state groups are well embedded in Iran, so assassinating the Ayatollah may not be enough to force regime change. Lots of sources state there’s no credible government in waiting, so we could end up with an Iraq type scenario.
Israel is also experiencing significant internal conflict between the more liberal Jewish population and the right leaning and ultra orthodox groups Netanyahu relies on, so I dare say Netanyahu is under pressure to act. Whole thing is a mess. [Post edited 5 Mar 22:14]
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"We could end up with an Iraq type scenario."
Exactly my thoughts, Netanyahu has influence over Trump he must have.
One minute he's saying that he's brought peace and made the World a "safer place" and has saved lives and then he starting bombing the holy bejesus out of Iran, with no clear end game.
I disagree on 99.9% on Starmers plans, agenda and especially is ability to run the Country, but I'm behind him on his cautiousness/reluctance to get involved in this duck shoot. |  | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 01:33 - Mar 6 with 1998 views | Robbie |
Starmer wanted to check the rules and regulations alongside the small print of conflict .
Typical lawyer , get the wording right or we as a Nation are at fault for not supporting our allies therefore we might get a row in in The High Courrt , House of Lords and the rest of the Lefties afraid to make a call , lets not upset anybody .
Seems a Royal Naval Fieet is in dry dock unable to get to the war zone due to maintenance and new supply of armaments , hope they get home safe too .
Thank goodness for the RAF in WW2 , take off and do the best for Britain , well done to all .
Sure many Countries will also read the small print of engagement and laugh . | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 06:58 - Mar 6 with 1968 views | builthjack |
| Starmer and Trump on 12:52 - Mar 5 by Luther27 |
The last week has outlined where we are as a country. We appear to have a plethora of legal experts but seem to lack a Navy along with a depleted Army and RAF. But, as I’ve said we are fortunate to have an excess of legal experts. |
The previous government downgraded our armed forces year on year, leaving us vulnerable.
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| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Starmer and Trump on 08:28 - Mar 6 with 1940 views | max936 |
| Starmer and Trump on 06:58 - Mar 6 by builthjack |
The previous government downgraded our armed forces year on year, leaving us vulnerable.
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I'm glad we haven't got involved militarily, last thing we want to do is broaden this war.
Its the only the thing Starmer as got right, in my view anyway. [Post edited 6 Mar 18:11]
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| Starmer and Trump on 08:45 - Mar 6 with 1922 views | raynor94 |
| Starmer and Trump on 06:58 - Mar 6 by builthjack |
The previous government downgraded our armed forces year on year, leaving us vulnerable.
Fact. |
It's just not the last Tory government this has been happening for many many years including previous Labour governments.
We had waited years for a Labour government and thanks to Starmer we will be lucky to ever see one again | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 09:37 - Mar 6 with 1894 views | AnotherJohn |
| Starmer and Trump on 06:58 - Mar 6 by builthjack |
The previous government downgraded our armed forces year on year, leaving us vulnerable.
Fact. |
Both main parties must share the blame. Whether in government or opposition many Labour MPs have traditionally pushed to divert defence spending to welfare.
https://eutoday.net/uk-labour- | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 17:06 - Mar 6 with 1814 views | Gwyn737 |
From AI
UK Defence Spending and Personnel (1997–2025)
Year Spending (% of GDP) Real-Terms Budget Trend Active Personnel Key Defence Context
1997/98 2.5% Inherited 7% cut ~210,000+ End of Conservative "Options for Change"
2000/01 2.3% Strategic growth begins 208,000 1998 Strategic Defence Review
2005/06 2.3% Sustained growth 200,000 Conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan
2009/10 2.5% Peak of operational spend 191,000 Operations peak in Afghanistan
2010/11 2.4% 8% reduction starts 186,000 2010 Strategic Defence Review (SDSR)
2015/16 1.9% Ongoing austerity cuts 150,000 Further 2015 SDSR reductions
2018/19 1.8% Historic low point 144,000 Low share of GDP post-WWII
2023/24 2.2% Nominal rise; real fall 140,000 2021 Integrated Review Update
2024/25 2.3% £3bn immediate boost 138,000 Record low personnel levels
2025/26 (E) 2.4% Budgeted £62.2bn - Commitment to reach 2.5% | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 17:32 - Mar 6 with 1803 views | Gwyn737 |
This one however, believe it or not, isn’t AII…
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| Starmer and Trump on 18:03 - Mar 6 with 1784 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:33 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
Being reported this afternoon that Starmer was in favour of attacking Iran but was forced to change tack by Milliband and the left wing cronies
How much longer can this paper Tiger stay in charge Thatcher wasn't for turning this fraud is spinning |
Starmer wi get kudos for staying out of he sticks to his guns and does not get intimidated or agitated but the War drums. Tony Blair acquiesced and j out bed USA in Iraq. It was based on fake US / isreali intelligence. The man an apologised years later. He was WEAK and did not do his homework..Millions dead and Iraq under Iranian influence.
Harold Wilson stood firm and kept UK out of Vietnam. Today that is seem as his biggest achievement.
Starmer must stick to his plan and not be pushed around by Trump. Iran will be a mess and he will get credit for not getting involved in a holy war between Jews Shia and Sunnis and Kurds.
Because we are not involved we do not need to offer UK for Iranian refugees | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 18:05 - Mar 6 with 1782 views | Luther27 |
| Starmer and Trump on 06:58 - Mar 6 by builthjack |
The previous government downgraded our armed forces year on year, leaving us vulnerable.
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No govt for the last 25 years comes out of this shining…and that’s a fact. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:09 - Mar 6 with 1772 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Since the 90s we have accepted the ' peace dividend '. No one complained until now.
I noticed a few B1s turning up at Fairford, these are not defensive weapons! [Post edited 7 Mar 10:51]
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