| Election 20:04 - May 8 with 9488 views | johnlangy |
What an absolutely brilliant result. 🏴🏴🏴🏴 |  | | |  |
| Election on 20:13 - May 8 with 4570 views | onehunglow |
Blinded by the Light | |
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| Election on 20:27 - May 8 with 4498 views | Scotia |
It could have been a lot worse, but it's far from brilliant. None of the options were anything better than less crap than the alternatives. Plaid have a chance to make difference, the results of them in power will take decades to realise. They won't get a chance unless they park independence for a generation. A whiff of that and next time it'll be reform
This isn't a request for independence it's a protest vote against the alternatives. Someone needs to step in to the middle ground. | | | |
| Election on 20:33 - May 8 with 4520 views | Whiterockin |
The result could be good if they start to turn things around, some very tough decisions to be made. We need 6 months to settle in then a revised budget. But first thing they need to do is go to Westminster and ask if there is money available for the relief road, Labour need to get Wales back onside, would they say yes? |  | | |
| Election on 20:46 - May 8 with 4449 views | Scotia |
| Election on 20:33 - May 8 by Whiterockin |
The result could be good if they start to turn things around, some very tough decisions to be made. We need 6 months to settle in then a revised budget. But first thing they need to do is go to Westminster and ask if there is money available for the relief road, Labour need to get Wales back onside, would they say yes? |
They have virtually no chance of turning anything around. It's going to take years. No different Westminster.
The country is a basket case . | | | |
| Election on 20:51 - May 8 with 4473 views | Boundy |
| Election on 20:27 - May 8 by Scotia |
It could have been a lot worse, but it's far from brilliant. None of the options were anything better than less crap than the alternatives. Plaid have a chance to make difference, the results of them in power will take decades to realise. They won't get a chance unless they park independence for a generation. A whiff of that and next time it'll be reform
This isn't a request for independence it's a protest vote against the alternatives. Someone needs to step in to the middle ground. |
You're right they will make a difference but maybe not a positive one .
Plaid Cymru's Big Five Pledges
10 surgical hubs to cut waiting times.
Expansion of free childcare.
The resurrection of a WDA-style economic development agency.
Piloting a £10-a-week top-up child payment for households receiving universal credit.
A new national energy company and tied measures around community energy ownership and a renewables wealth fund.
Keep an eye on this one for example "Plaid states it will "immediately prohibit the use of large steel lattice pylons for new 11-132 kV lines in Wales, with a clear presumption in favour of undergrounding and overhead alternatives permitted only where installation is via low wooden poles or equivalent, less intrusive infrastructure".
If you think your bills are high m now then the cost will quadruple should the HV netwoirk proposed to run from North to Swansea North even in part be undergrounded and I know of very few sections of transmission lines which operate at 132kv which is strung on wooden pole lines let alone complete routes., by the way the higher the operating voltage the greater the ground clearances required so to it'll be intersting to see how a low level pole line will look.
.David Phillips, head of devolved and local government finance at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said: “Taken together, these plans would amount to a notable increase in spending – by more in the coming Senedd term than implied by Welsh Labour’s plans, for example, although less than implied by the Green Party manifesto. Unfortunately, Plaid Cymru provides little information on how it would pay for these increases."
“As it stands, the outlook for Welsh Government funding implies that cuts to at least some services will be needed to maintain let alone improve health and social care services as costs and demands grow."
“Spending £400 million a year more on childcare - with more to boot on a Welsh child payment, expanded free school meals, and better primary healthcare - would require either deeper cuts to unprotected services, a substantial slowdown in core health and social care spending, or as-yet unmentioned tax rises."
“Plaid Cymru therefore does not appear to have faced up to the fiscal reality facing the next Welsh Government. And if the party knows how it would afford its pledges, it has omitted to explain how in its manifesto."
“This is disappointing, especially given Plaid Cymru’s recent complaints about unfunded promises by other parties."
“The manifesto repeats previous claims that Wales has suffered ‘historic underfunding’ as a result of the Barnett formula, and says Plaid Cymru would push for more funding."
“However, as discussed in a recent IFS report, the officially agreed method for assessing Wales’ relative funding suggests Wales receives more funding per person compared with England than the latest assessment of needs implies would be required."
“This funding advantage is set to shrink over the next few years, the relative needs assessments are now based on data almost 20 years old, and other methods for assessing relative funding suggest it is not as generous as the official method implies."
“Even so, it would seem premature to bank on a ‘needs-based’ funding system leading to an increase in Welsh Government funding to fund the manifesto’s ambitions.” | |
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| Election on 21:28 - May 8 with 4433 views | union_jack |
It’s not a shock that PC won this election because Wales is left leaning and with many traditional Labour voters wanting to protest against that party they would vote PC. It also would serve as a vote to keep Reform out.
For Reform to gain so many seats in Lefty Wales is truly a sign that left wing politics isn’t quite as popular as it used to be. |  |
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| Election on 21:37 - May 8 with 4418 views | max936 |
| Election on 20:33 - May 8 by Whiterockin |
The result could be good if they start to turn things around, some very tough decisions to be made. We need 6 months to settle in then a revised budget. But first thing they need to do is go to Westminster and ask if there is money available for the relief road, Labour need to get Wales back onside, would they say yes? |
They won't turn anything around, with that talking horse of a leader, I've said it before during the build up to this election the only one to talk about clear policies and funding those policies were the welsh conservatives leader Darren Millar.
Labour's Eluned Morgan has had a pasting on her watch due to the utter clown Drakeford and his years as first minister and Labour leader. |  | | |
| Election on 21:49 - May 8 with 4355 views | Scotia |
| Election on 20:51 - May 8 by Boundy |
You're right they will make a difference but maybe not a positive one .
Plaid Cymru's Big Five Pledges
10 surgical hubs to cut waiting times.
Expansion of free childcare.
The resurrection of a WDA-style economic development agency.
Piloting a £10-a-week top-up child payment for households receiving universal credit.
A new national energy company and tied measures around community energy ownership and a renewables wealth fund.
Keep an eye on this one for example "Plaid states it will "immediately prohibit the use of large steel lattice pylons for new 11-132 kV lines in Wales, with a clear presumption in favour of undergrounding and overhead alternatives permitted only where installation is via low wooden poles or equivalent, less intrusive infrastructure".
If you think your bills are high m now then the cost will quadruple should the HV netwoirk proposed to run from North to Swansea North even in part be undergrounded and I know of very few sections of transmission lines which operate at 132kv which is strung on wooden pole lines let alone complete routes., by the way the higher the operating voltage the greater the ground clearances required so to it'll be intersting to see how a low level pole line will look.
.David Phillips, head of devolved and local government finance at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said: “Taken together, these plans would amount to a notable increase in spending – by more in the coming Senedd term than implied by Welsh Labour’s plans, for example, although less than implied by the Green Party manifesto. Unfortunately, Plaid Cymru provides little information on how it would pay for these increases."
“As it stands, the outlook for Welsh Government funding implies that cuts to at least some services will be needed to maintain let alone improve health and social care services as costs and demands grow."
“Spending £400 million a year more on childcare - with more to boot on a Welsh child payment, expanded free school meals, and better primary healthcare - would require either deeper cuts to unprotected services, a substantial slowdown in core health and social care spending, or as-yet unmentioned tax rises."
“Plaid Cymru therefore does not appear to have faced up to the fiscal reality facing the next Welsh Government. And if the party knows how it would afford its pledges, it has omitted to explain how in its manifesto."
“This is disappointing, especially given Plaid Cymru’s recent complaints about unfunded promises by other parties."
“The manifesto repeats previous claims that Wales has suffered ‘historic underfunding’ as a result of the Barnett formula, and says Plaid Cymru would push for more funding."
“However, as discussed in a recent IFS report, the officially agreed method for assessing Wales’ relative funding suggests Wales receives more funding per person compared with England than the latest assessment of needs implies would be required."
“This funding advantage is set to shrink over the next few years, the relative needs assessments are now based on data almost 20 years old, and other methods for assessing relative funding suggest it is not as generous as the official method implies."
“Even so, it would seem premature to bank on a ‘needs-based’ funding system leading to an increase in Welsh Government funding to fund the manifesto’s ambitions.” |
Compare those to Reform and their 1% cut in income tax. We need some intelligence and honesty. | | | |
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| Election on 01:40 - May 9 with 4322 views | Robbie |
Some anoymous and unnammed Labout MP claimed the public do not hate Labour but the Leader at the helm , hence this disaster for Labour , strong words but probably very true yet skin like a rhino Starmer keeps on ignoring public opinion and carries on oblivious .
The guy has the persona of a wet lettuce and will never appeal to the majority .
Eluned Morgan has fallen on her sword with dignity and resigned blaming herself .
Not her fault , dinosaur Drakeford started the demise of Labour in Wales and other outside influences seen the door ajar and took and opportunity in a shot .
Plaid and Reform seen an awfully run Sennedd and just walked in unopposed .
Labour really need to get their act together now or they are toast in many peoples voting practises .
The Buck stops here is an adage overlooked at No. 10 it seems .
File alongside mislaid mobile phones and missing or incomplete Mandy paperwork .
The guy really needs to go . [Post edited 9 May 1:56]
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| Election on 05:20 - May 9 with 4230 views | Whiterockin |
| Election on 01:40 - May 9 by Robbie |
Some anoymous and unnammed Labout MP claimed the public do not hate Labour but the Leader at the helm , hence this disaster for Labour , strong words but probably very true yet skin like a rhino Starmer keeps on ignoring public opinion and carries on oblivious .
The guy has the persona of a wet lettuce and will never appeal to the majority .
Eluned Morgan has fallen on her sword with dignity and resigned blaming herself .
Not her fault , dinosaur Drakeford started the demise of Labour in Wales and other outside influences seen the door ajar and took and opportunity in a shot .
Plaid and Reform seen an awfully run Sennedd and just walked in unopposed .
Labour really need to get their act together now or they are toast in many peoples voting practises .
The Buck stops here is an adage overlooked at No. 10 it seems .
File alongside mislaid mobile phones and missing or incomplete Mandy paperwork .
The guy really needs to go . [Post edited 9 May 1:56]
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All that will happen with Eluned Morgan is her leave of absence will end and she will return to the House of Lords. Not quite the same as other AMs loosing their seats. | | | |
| Election on 06:34 - May 9 with 4232 views | AnotherJohn |
I guess we've ended up as I feared with a Plaid-led government propped up with Labour support. There is a certain irony in the fact that Labour alienated people with the 20 MPH speed limit, the Senedd expansion, nation of sanctuary and fiscal looseness, and that same electorate opts for Rhun Jones who is right behind those very same things. If anything we have nudged a fraction further to the Left and enhanced wokeness. There is also the fantasy economics of independence lurking in the background. Reform will have its chance to show if it can be a serious political force, but fell tantalisingly short of fundamentally transforming the situation. [Post edited 9 May 7:10]
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| Election on 07:22 - May 9 with 4190 views | Whiterockin |
| Election on 06:34 - May 9 by AnotherJohn |
I guess we've ended up as I feared with a Plaid-led government propped up with Labour support. There is a certain irony in the fact that Labour alienated people with the 20 MPH speed limit, the Senedd expansion, nation of sanctuary and fiscal looseness, and that same electorate opts for Rhun Jones who is right behind those very same things. If anything we have nudged a fraction further to the Left and enhanced wokeness. There is also the fantasy economics of independence lurking in the background. Reform will have its chance to show if it can be a serious political force, but fell tantalisingly short of fundamentally transforming the situation. [Post edited 9 May 7:10]
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I think the basic difference now is surely politicians in the Senedd must realise if they don't perform they are out. Plaid have this parliament to prove that they can take Wales forward. Reform have this Parliament to show exactly what the stand for in Wales and why they should be the main party next time. The other parties including Labour and the Conservatives are feeding off scraps, the landscape in Wales has changed politicians can no longer take us for granted. As for independence it doesn't worry me at the moment because Plaid have to prove that they can run the country first and even then they won't get the mandate in a referendum. | | | |
| Election on 07:24 - May 9 with 4208 views | Boundy |
| Election on 21:49 - May 8 by Scotia |
Compare those to Reform and their 1% cut in income tax. We need some intelligence and honesty. |
Major difference, PL now have to deliver | |
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| Election on 08:19 - May 9 with 4181 views | pete |
| Election on 06:34 - May 9 by AnotherJohn |
I guess we've ended up as I feared with a Plaid-led government propped up with Labour support. There is a certain irony in the fact that Labour alienated people with the 20 MPH speed limit, the Senedd expansion, nation of sanctuary and fiscal looseness, and that same electorate opts for Rhun Jones who is right behind those very same things. If anything we have nudged a fraction further to the Left and enhanced wokeness. There is also the fantasy economics of independence lurking in the background. Reform will have its chance to show if it can be a serious political force, but fell tantalisingly short of fundamentally transforming the situation. [Post edited 9 May 7:10]
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| Election on 09:29 - May 9 with 4137 views | AnotherJohn |
| Election on 08:19 - May 9 by pete |
thank goodness |
Many who prefer to: "keep a-hold of nurse for fear of finding something worse". In time we'll see where that leads. | | | |
| Election on 10:01 - May 9 with 4115 views | swan65split |
| Election on 07:22 - May 9 by Whiterockin |
I think the basic difference now is surely politicians in the Senedd must realise if they don't perform they are out. Plaid have this parliament to prove that they can take Wales forward. Reform have this Parliament to show exactly what the stand for in Wales and why they should be the main party next time. The other parties including Labour and the Conservatives are feeding off scraps, the landscape in Wales has changed politicians can no longer take us for granted. As for independence it doesn't worry me at the moment because Plaid have to prove that they can run the country first and even then they won't get the mandate in a referendum. |
the same ,"do your job" applies to local Councillors as well after yesterdays result. |  | | |
| Election on 10:28 - May 9 with 4080 views | Whiterockin |
| Election on 10:01 - May 9 by swan65split |
the same ,"do your job" applies to local Councillors as well after yesterdays result. |
They have exactly 2 years or they know where they are going, no more automatically elected politicians in Wales, history is exactly that. | | | |
| Election on 10:41 - May 9 with 4080 views | max936 |
| Election on 21:28 - May 8 by union_jack |
It’s not a shock that PC won this election because Wales is left leaning and with many traditional Labour voters wanting to protest against that party they would vote PC. It also would serve as a vote to keep Reform out.
For Reform to gain so many seats in Lefty Wales is truly a sign that left wing politics isn’t quite as popular as it used to be. |
"For Reform to gain so many seats in Lefty Wales is truly a sign that left wing politics isn’t quite as popular as it used to be."
Its to radical thats why, its left or nothing, need a right side influence on lots of things and it's reasonable thing to say that we are suffering from a lack of growth in Wales.
That failure to proceed with the relief road, this ridiculous tourism tax, business rates, planning restrictions and many other things are holding Wales back and the blame lies at Labours door and primarily at Drakefords door.
In my opinion. | | | |
| Election on 11:04 - May 9 with 4057 views | raynor94 |
| Election on 10:41 - May 9 by max936 |
"For Reform to gain so many seats in Lefty Wales is truly a sign that left wing politics isn’t quite as popular as it used to be."
Its to radical thats why, its left or nothing, need a right side influence on lots of things and it's reasonable thing to say that we are suffering from a lack of growth in Wales.
That failure to proceed with the relief road, this ridiculous tourism tax, business rates, planning restrictions and many other things are holding Wales back and the blame lies at Labours door and primarily at Drakefords door.
In my opinion. |
Which is the right opinion Drakeford has killed Labour in Wales from 20mph to alcohol pricing and the the turning down the opportunity to build the relief road
He took us back years he should have retired years ago and now we will have Labour propping up Plaid instead of the other way round |  |
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| Election on 11:07 - May 9 with 4037 views | Whiterockin |
| Election on 10:41 - May 9 by max936 |
"For Reform to gain so many seats in Lefty Wales is truly a sign that left wing politics isn’t quite as popular as it used to be."
Its to radical thats why, its left or nothing, need a right side influence on lots of things and it's reasonable thing to say that we are suffering from a lack of growth in Wales.
That failure to proceed with the relief road, this ridiculous tourism tax, business rates, planning restrictions and many other things are holding Wales back and the blame lies at Labours door and primarily at Drakefords door.
In my opinion. |
Those wishing to purchase/move house, the difference between the tax in Wales and England is quite surprising.
Wales
https://www.gov.wales/land-tra
England
https://www.gov.uk/stamp-duty-
For those who want to check. | | | |
| Election on 11:16 - May 9 with 4046 views | max936 |
I'm not gonna attempt to work that out Whitey it's all a bit above my pay grade 
I'll ask my eldest to take a look and explain it to me, but it all depends on his mood when he surfaces | | | |
| Election on 11:58 - May 9 with 3960 views | Scotia |
| Election on 11:04 - May 9 by raynor94 |
Which is the right opinion Drakeford has killed Labour in Wales from 20mph to alcohol pricing and the the turning down the opportunity to build the relief road
He took us back years he should have retired years ago and now we will have Labour propping up Plaid instead of the other way round |
What I find crazy is that we re-elected Drakefords Labour with an effective majority at the last election. After not building the relief road, Draconian and way OTT COVID restrictions on a manifesto that committed to the 20 mph speed limit, minimum unit pricing and tax reforms.
To a certain extent we've only got ourselves to blame. Unfortunately Plaid agreed with most of this. Hopefully now we have an effective opposition. | | | |
| Election on 12:23 - May 9 with 3977 views | onehunglow |
| Election on 11:58 - May 9 by Scotia |
What I find crazy is that we re-elected Drakefords Labour with an effective majority at the last election. After not building the relief road, Draconian and way OTT COVID restrictions on a manifesto that committed to the 20 mph speed limit, minimum unit pricing and tax reforms.
To a certain extent we've only got ourselves to blame. Unfortunately Plaid agreed with most of this. Hopefully now we have an effective opposition. |
It is absolutely our fault
This election will hurt Wales significantly
As for UZk , it is buggered
Fractured by class war and illegal migration
Bad times ahead ,run for the hills , if there still there | |
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| Election on 13:11 - May 9 with 3961 views | Wingstandwood |
| Election on 12:23 - May 9 by onehunglow |
It is absolutely our fault
This election will hurt Wales significantly
As for UZk , it is buggered
Fractured by class war and illegal migration
Bad times ahead ,run for the hills , if there still there |
The result was to be expected, absolutely no surprise whatsoever, because a lot of us Welshies vote and think that way.
And don't forget Maggie took the school milk away nigh sixty years ago in times when Benny Hill's 'Earnie' was in the charts! He was the fastest milkman in the west apparently.
I go with the flow, and with a clear conscience, because I never voted for devolution....I never voted for: 24+ hour ambulance waits, 24+ hour A+E waits, people dying in A+E before ever being seen to, lack of availability of G.P appointments, G.P shortages, G.P triage system introduction and people pulling their own teeth out with pliers, because they cannot get a dentist.
Some success hey?
Funny thing ain't it? All that came AFTER devolution! And how the man-children celebrate! Could you imagine people being that delusional, kamikaze and stupid! |  |
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| Election on 13:26 - May 9 with 3945 views | max936 |
| Election on 13:11 - May 9 by Wingstandwood |
The result was to be expected, absolutely no surprise whatsoever, because a lot of us Welshies vote and think that way.
And don't forget Maggie took the school milk away nigh sixty years ago in times when Benny Hill's 'Earnie' was in the charts! He was the fastest milkman in the west apparently.
I go with the flow, and with a clear conscience, because I never voted for devolution....I never voted for: 24+ hour ambulance waits, 24+ hour A+E waits, people dying in A+E before ever being seen to, lack of availability of G.P appointments, G.P shortages, G.P triage system introduction and people pulling their own teeth out with pliers, because they cannot get a dentist.
Some success hey?
Funny thing ain't it? All that came AFTER devolution! And how the man-children celebrate! Could you imagine people being that delusional, kamikaze and stupid! |
"The result was to be expected, absolutely no surprise whatsoever, because a lot of us Welshies vote and think that way."
Labour voter in the most part voted for Plaid cause they were pissed off with Labour and voted for the party who were closest to Plaid, call me cynical, but I don't see things getting easier, probably worse.
The 20mph will remain, the relief road still won't be built, NHS improvements who knows. | | | |
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