| Championship play off final 10:30 - May 13 with 24034 views | Whiterockin |
Will it be Hull v Southampton or will Southampton be disqualified leaving the door open for Middlesbrough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo
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| Championship play off final on 13:03 - May 14 with 1974 views | KeithHaynes |
| Championship play off final on 11:54 - May 14 by RodgerTheDodger |
That would explain why it's taking time to do their investigation if they can't just straight wash their hands of him.
The trouble is: everyone will be lying, and anyone who was involved won't be admitting it. So getting a solid truthful account of events will be difficult. These investigations in a company when the pointy fingers are flying are very hard to get right.
People lying? In a football club? It does happen. |
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| Championship play off final (n/t) on 19:09 - May 14 with 1824 views | max936 |
| Championship play off final on 15:54 - May 13 by Whiterockin |
Some interesting points here. Including it will not be the EFL deciding on the punishment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo
I've got a feeling they will be thrown out and replaced by Middlesbrough at short notice, which could lead to a counter claim from Middlesbrough if they lose to Hull because the had less time to prepare. This is going to rumble on. |
Was just gonna post the BBC Sport online link. Just seen that Whitey had beat me to it. [Post edited 14 May 19:11]
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| Championship play off final on 19:34 - May 14 with 1814 views | KeithHaynes |
Yup, as we discussed this morning.
“Middlesbrough’s legal team are pushing for bank statements and electronic devices to be handed over as part of the case, given they could provide a paper trail of unsporting espionage around the country. An EFL statement read: 'The Independent Disciplinary Commission hearing will take place on or before Tuesday 19 May. The exact date remains under discussion and is expected to be confirmed shortly.” | |
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| Championship play off final on 22:06 - May 14 with 1733 views | max936 |
| Championship play off final on 19:34 - May 14 by KeithHaynes |
Yup, as we discussed this morning.
“Middlesbrough’s legal team are pushing for bank statements and electronic devices to be handed over as part of the case, given they could provide a paper trail of unsporting espionage around the country. An EFL statement read: 'The Independent Disciplinary Commission hearing will take place on or before Tuesday 19 May. The exact date remains under discussion and is expected to be confirmed shortly.” |
It's not looking good for the Saints, chucked out or a replay or just a fine and a kick up the jacksy. | | | |
| Championship play off final on 17:13 - May 15 with 1541 views | swan_si |
| Championship play off final on 11:41 - May 14 by KeithHaynes |
He is employed apparently in relation to employment law. We have a great journalist source down there.
The club will no doubt work it to blame him acting alone without their permission, just a guess. But of course GPDR access could scupper that. If it comes to it i would imagine the EFL will ask for telephone access to this lads phone and potentially others.
I can’t believe he just jumped in his car or there’s another point, has he got a car or a licence to drive ? Train tickets ? Who booked them etc.
Edit : If the club do blame this kid and the EFL prove otherwise then their punishment will almost certainly be far more.
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How long was he there before being found out? Was it 5, 10, 15 mijutes a hour? It makes a huge difference on if it influenced the game. 🤷♂️ |  | | |
| Championship play off final on 17:22 - May 15 with 1527 views | Whiterockin |
| Championship play off final on 17:13 - May 15 by swan_si |
How long was he there before being found out? Was it 5, 10, 15 mijutes a hour? It makes a huge difference on if it influenced the game. 🤷♂️ |
Influenced or not it was a clear breach of a law brought in to specifically stop this type of thing. Guilty and admitted so banged to rights. | | | |
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| Championship play off final on 17:51 - May 15 with 1484 views | union_jack |
| Championship play off final on 17:13 - May 15 by swan_si |
How long was he there before being found out? Was it 5, 10, 15 mijutes a hour? It makes a huge difference on if it influenced the game. 🤷♂️ |
I’d say it was the intent Si. It shouldn’t matter how long he was there.
I’ll still be amazed if they’re expelled even though they should be in my opinion. |  |
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| Championship play off final on 17:59 - May 15 with 1471 views | raynor94 |
Tonder Eckhart should be sacked immediately he obviously knew what was going and its being reported this wasn't the first time they had did it this season |  |
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| Championship play off final on 18:05 - May 15 with 1469 views | JJBomber |
| Championship play off final on 17:22 - May 15 by Whiterockin |
Influenced or not it was a clear breach of a law brought in to specifically stop this type of thing. Guilty and admitted so banged to rights. |
I think everyone knows it's a breach of the law. The question is what the punishment. Law is based on precedent, so what have other teams had in relation to the same offence? I believe it was Leeds or Derby. However, law can't be based on whether you like Southampton or whether you like Middlesboro. |  | | |
| Championship play off final on 18:07 - May 15 with 1469 views | swan_si |
| Championship play off final on 17:51 - May 15 by union_jack |
I’d say it was the intent Si. It shouldn’t matter how long he was there.
I’ll still be amazed if they’re expelled even though they should be in my opinion. |
They should definitely pick up a heavy fine and points deduction if one way or another their in the championship next season, or the points deduction carried over.
The point I'm trying to make is that if he was filming for 5 or 10 minutes before being found out would Middlesbrough have been getting down to the nitty gritty of training or just routine drills. Surely this would be taken into consideration when deciding whether to expel them.🤷♂️ | | | |
| Championship play off final on 18:23 - May 15 with 1462 views | Whiterockin |
| Championship play off final on 18:07 - May 15 by swan_si |
They should definitely pick up a heavy fine and points deduction if one way or another their in the championship next season, or the points deduction carried over.
The point I'm trying to make is that if he was filming for 5 or 10 minutes before being found out would Middlesbrough have been getting down to the nitty gritty of training or just routine drills. Surely this would be taken into consideration when deciding whether to expel them.🤷♂️ |
A hefty fine would have little impact if they went up. How would you feel if we were in Middlesbroughs place. | | | |
| Championship play off final on 18:28 - May 15 with 1448 views | swan_si |
| Championship play off final on 18:23 - May 15 by Whiterockin |
A hefty fine would have little impact if they went up. How would you feel if we were in Middlesbroughs place. |
I'd be f4cking tamping. But thank you for asking. | | | |
| Championship play off final on 18:42 - May 15 with 1442 views | JJBomber |
| Championship play off final on 18:05 - May 15 by JJBomber |
I think everyone knows it's a breach of the law. The question is what the punishment. Law is based on precedent, so what have other teams had in relation to the same offence? I believe it was Leeds or Derby. However, law can't be based on whether you like Southampton or whether you like Middlesboro. |
It was Leeds United!
''Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds United were punished for a spying scandal in 2019 by the EFL before they faced Frank Lampard's Derby County.
Back then, there was no official rule to outlaw spying. Instead, Leeds were punished via the existing 'good faith' rule. They were fined.
But now, a rule has been brought in which outlaws spying on an opponent within 72 hours of playing them.
Southampton are the first club to be tested by this rule.''
Espn, | | | |
| Championship play off final on 22:33 - May 15 with 1366 views | KeithHaynes |
| Championship play off final on 18:05 - May 15 by JJBomber |
I think everyone knows it's a breach of the law. The question is what the punishment. Law is based on precedent, so what have other teams had in relation to the same offence? I believe it was Leeds or Derby. However, law can't be based on whether you like Southampton or whether you like Middlesboro. |
Unsure where you are going with that JJ.
There was no law when Leeds did it.
The act of them doing it enabled this to be brought in. There is no test case or precedent because this is the first time since the law came in. The sanctions from what I’ve been told aren’t cast in stone as that leaves too much of as you stated a ‘precedent’. This is why I think the EFL will chuck the book at them. Then the standards have been set. Southampton will hve 48 hrs to appeal then if deemed necessary that will be heard very quickly after their sanction is approved. | |
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| Championship play off final on 18:59 - May 18 with 1209 views | KeithHaynes |
BREAKING 🚨: The EFL are set to hand Southampton a suspended 6 point deduction and a fine of £3.4m following #SpyGate.
Saints will not be removed from the playoffs and the playoff final will go ahead as olanned on 23/05/26. | |
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| Championship play off final on 19:29 - May 18 with 1169 views | union_jack |
| Championship play off final on 18:59 - May 18 by KeithHaynes |
BREAKING 🚨: The EFL are set to hand Southampton a suspended 6 point deduction and a fine of £3.4m following #SpyGate.
Saints will not be removed from the playoffs and the playoff final will go ahead as olanned on 23/05/26. |
That slap on the wrist really hurts🙄 | |
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| Championship play off final on 20:08 - May 18 with 1152 views | Whiterockin |
| Championship play off final on 18:59 - May 18 by KeithHaynes |
BREAKING 🚨: The EFL are set to hand Southampton a suspended 6 point deduction and a fine of £3.4m following #SpyGate.
Saints will not be removed from the playoffs and the playoff final will go ahead as olanned on 23/05/26. |
The appeal by Middlesbrough will be interesting. | | | |
| Championship play off final on 20:46 - May 18 with 1125 views | union_jack |
| Championship play off final on 20:08 - May 18 by Whiterockin |
The appeal by Middlesbrough will be interesting. |
Didn’t I hear that Boro have no grounds for appeal as they weren’t invited to be part of the investigation process?? | |
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| Championship play off final on 22:09 - May 18 with 1073 views | Whiterockin |
| Championship play off final on 18:59 - May 18 by KeithHaynes |
BREAKING 🚨: The EFL are set to hand Southampton a suspended 6 point deduction and a fine of £3.4m following #SpyGate.
Saints will not be removed from the playoffs and the playoff final will go ahead as olanned on 23/05/26. |
It seems it may not be cut and dry.
https://www.express.co.uk/spor | | | |
| Championship play off final on 22:22 - May 18 with 1052 views | RodgerTheDodger |
The penalty of 6 points is exactly what FIFA gave Canada Women for spying on France. Plus the coach involved was banned for a year, but perhaps no Soton coach was shown to be involved.
If this what they decide, they've followed a well chosen precedent. As FIFA is a superior body in football that makes it almost impossible for anyone to fight it with legal action. It also doesn't change the result on the pitch, a slippery slope to be avoided if possible.
NB: I previously referred to CAS. I didn't know that the EFL doesn't allow appeals to CAS, so it would mean going to the High Court. If I was the EFL, I would prefer CAS. | | | |
| Championship play off final on 07:46 - May 19 with 983 views | Whiterockin |
| Championship play off final on 22:22 - May 18 by RodgerTheDodger |
The penalty of 6 points is exactly what FIFA gave Canada Women for spying on France. Plus the coach involved was banned for a year, but perhaps no Soton coach was shown to be involved.
If this what they decide, they've followed a well chosen precedent. As FIFA is a superior body in football that makes it almost impossible for anyone to fight it with legal action. It also doesn't change the result on the pitch, a slippery slope to be avoided if possible.
NB: I previously referred to CAS. I didn't know that the EFL doesn't allow appeals to CAS, so it would mean going to the High Court. If I was the EFL, I would prefer CAS. |
I am under the impression that the EFL, Southampton and Middlesbrough are entitled to appeal. Its not the EFL enforcing any possible punishment.
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https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/
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Courtesy of BBC website.
"But buried in the detail is one important fact: the Riverside club have not been named by the independent disciplinary commission as an "interested party".
This could turn out to be very important.
Firstly, Boro cannot attend Tuesday's hearing. Their evidence will be presented, but they will have no legal representation to argue their case.
This has angered Boro, who say that they are "directly affected by the matters under consideration and hold relevant factual evidence".
If the final outcome is not to Boro's liking - so any result which means Saints play Hull on Saturday - they have no right to appeal or challenge it.
Only the EFL or Southampton can appeal, which would be heard by an Independent League Arbitration panel with three new members.
An appeal should be held within 14 days, but the EFL is expected to ask for a resolution by Friday.
As Middlesbrough cannot appeal, they would have to take up a fight for compensation against Southampton." [Post edited 19 May 8:56]
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| Championship play off final on 09:45 - May 19 with 932 views | KeithHaynes |
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