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It's absolutely no surprise when people end up believing stuff that's on the same parody level as CH 4 Brass Eye or Big Train comedy series.
I bet she thinks that someone can be (a completely 'made up' condition) 'Gender Fluid' i.e. having a gender identity that is not fixed. Instead of staying the same, a person’s internal sense of gender shifts over time or changes depending on the situation.
Wake's up on Monday morning as a geezer, goes to bed a dame, wakes up Tuesday morning still a dame, but come supper time is a geezer again, repeat throughout the week.
About as 'real' as completely made up drug 'cake' that according to Brass Eye affects 'Shatner's Bassoon'. Ditto Robin DiAngelo i.e. someone saying that they're NOT racist proves that they are racist, completely made up b******* for the day and age!
Argus!
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Rye College teacher on 16:23 - May 16 with 1597 views
I wager that there many challenges you face now that you never thought you would face when you trained. Possibly from the requirement of toilets/changing rooms for various sexes to needing litter trays for those who identify as a cat.
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Rye College teacher on 17:35 - May 16 with 1448 views
Rye College teacher on 17:15 - May 16 by Whiterockin
I wager that there many challenges you face now that you never thought you would face when you trained. Possibly from the requirement of toilets/changing rooms for various sexes to needing litter trays for those who identify as a cat.
Lots of things but these are rare.
The guidance we have on this kind of thing is pretty good i.e there are two biological sexes (with very rare intersex examples) and gender is more of a social construct.
Most schools have cubicles for toilets which are gender neutral in themselves so not a big deal.
The biggest issues are when press pick up things out of context and use bits for rage bait.
In 25 years I’ve only encountered two children who I genuinely believe were born in the wrong (sic) body. Both heartbreaking.
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Rye College teacher on 19:48 - May 16 with 1373 views
Well, if the Ofsted inspector really thought that audio recording was an example of handling a class discussion well that suggests to me that the system is not very good at dealing with this general issue, which will keep coming up.
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Rye College teacher on 20:18 - May 16 with 1339 views
Rye College teacher on 19:48 - May 16 by AnotherJohn
Well, if the Ofsted inspector really thought that audio recording was an example of handling a class discussion well that suggests to me that the system is not very good at dealing with this general issue, which will keep coming up.
It wasn’t a class discussion.
It was a wind up. Some girls decided to wind up the teacher by making comments towards another child then recording it.
It could have been handled better, I agree but the clip shared was well out of context.
What was very unusual was that after the clip was shared, it was picked up by Kemi Badenoch who was mister for women and equalities at the time who triggered a snap inspection, the full report is here:
Regardless of what you think about the motives of those involved, it lays bare the problem with education in this country. For decades now, children and young adults have been taught what to think, not how to think.
This could have been a perfect opportunity for the teacher to encourage debate and an exchange of ideas. Instead she tried to shut the girls down by threatening them with disciplinary action.
The education system needs to be purged of this kind of stuff.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Rye College teacher on 20:26 - May 16 by Dr_Winston
Regardless of what you think about the motives of those involved, it lays bare the problem with education in this country. For decades now, children and young adults have been taught what to think, not how to think.
This could have been a perfect opportunity for the teacher to encourage debate and an exchange of ideas. Instead she tried to shut the girls down by threatening them with disciplinary action.
The education system needs to be purged of this kind of stuff.
She did, didn't she?
She said there are 2 biological sexes and gender is a different thing. It wasn’t a lesson on that topic, she was dealing with teenagers on a wind up.
If every time this happened the lesson was thrown over to discussion, very little would ever get covered.
The fact that one recording from Engalnd three years ago and one more from Scotland suggests it’s not really a massive problem.
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Rye College teacher on 20:40 - May 16 with 1304 views
The guidance we have on this kind of thing is pretty good i.e there are two biological sexes (with very rare intersex examples) and gender is more of a social construct.
Most schools have cubicles for toilets which are gender neutral in themselves so not a big deal.
The biggest issues are when press pick up things out of context and use bits for rage bait.
In 25 years I’ve only encountered two children who I genuinely believe were born in the wrong (sic) body. Both heartbreaking.
No doubt Gwyn's account of current guidance is accurate, but what this brought to mind is how usage of common words changes over time, sometimes resulting in argument about definitions. I always thought of gender as a realist concept that pointed to differences in the natural order rather than referring to a fluid social construction. Apart from standing for what progressives now call sex, it was a means of categorising aspects of our social world in a determinate rather than continually shifting way. For example, many languages encode gender grammatically in binary form - objects are either masculine or feminine.. I was curious enough to take a look at the origins of the word gender. It seems to refer to types, classes, kinds used in classification, and usually classification systems are not that fluid. In my youth I seem to remember using gender so as to avoid the erotic sexual connotations of the word sex. Was all this changed by progressive US writers in the 1960s? Did these writers appropriate a very old term to make it serve an ideological purpose? They'd be very happy to see teachers inculcating that ideology into young minds.
Anyway, after my rambling see what the Etymonline website says:
Gender(n.)
c. 1300, "kind, sort, class, a class or kind of persons or things sharing certain traits," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The unetymological -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (see D). Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. Jespersen ("Philosophy of Grammar,"(1924) defines grammatical gender by reference to the Indo-European distinction of masculine, feminine, neuter, "whether the division be based on the natural division into two sexes, or on that between animate and inanimate, or on something else."
The "male-or-female sex" sense of the word is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963.
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Rye College teacher on 20:40 - May 16 with 1302 views
She said there are 2 biological sexes and gender is a different thing. It wasn’t a lesson on that topic, she was dealing with teenagers on a wind up.
If every time this happened the lesson was thrown over to discussion, very little would ever get covered.
The fact that one recording from Engalnd three years ago and one more from Scotland suggests it’s not really a massive problem.
If she'd said that some people believe that there are 300 genders, but others disagree then that would be stimulating a debate. Instead she tried to shut them down.
The fact that there aren't all that many recordings of stuff like this indicates that people don't generally record them, not that they don't happen. I'd suspect that most kids who disagree with what they're being "taught" tend to keep quiet to avoid hassle anyway.
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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Rye College teacher on 20:46 - May 16 with 1295 views
Rye College teacher on 17:15 - May 16 by Whiterockin
I wager that there many challenges you face now that you never thought you would face when you trained. Possibly from the requirement of toilets/changing rooms for various sexes to needing litter trays for those who identify as a cat.
I wish to announce myself as a hard working male Rottweiler who pays his taxes and is absolutely pissed off with being taken for granted by this woke useless government who supports everyone one male, female or whatever who pays those taxes for fing granted.
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Rye College teacher on 20:49 - May 16 with 1288 views
Rye College teacher on 20:40 - May 16 by AnotherJohn
No doubt Gwyn's account of current guidance is accurate, but what this brought to mind is how usage of common words changes over time, sometimes resulting in argument about definitions. I always thought of gender as a realist concept that pointed to differences in the natural order rather than referring to a fluid social construction. Apart from standing for what progressives now call sex, it was a means of categorising aspects of our social world in a determinate rather than continually shifting way. For example, many languages encode gender grammatically in binary form - objects are either masculine or feminine.. I was curious enough to take a look at the origins of the word gender. It seems to refer to types, classes, kinds used in classification, and usually classification systems are not that fluid. In my youth I seem to remember using gender so as to avoid the erotic sexual connotations of the word sex. Was all this changed by progressive US writers in the 1960s? Did these writers appropriate a very old term to make it serve an ideological purpose? They'd be very happy to see teachers inculcating that ideology into young minds.
Anyway, after my rambling see what the Etymonline website says:
Gender(n.)
c. 1300, "kind, sort, class, a class or kind of persons or things sharing certain traits," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The unetymological -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (see D). Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. Jespersen ("Philosophy of Grammar,"(1924) defines grammatical gender by reference to the Indo-European distinction of masculine, feminine, neuter, "whether the division be based on the natural division into two sexes, or on that between animate and inanimate, or on something else."
The "male-or-female sex" sense of the word is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963.
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I think the different terms are quite helpful.
Biological sex is a good black and white definition, and certainly helps when rightly (in my opinion) defences have to be made to preserve rights - sports, same sex spaces etc.
Gender can then be used to talk about the rest, such as social attributes.
As you allude, language is always evolving and this can be useful.
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Rye College teacher on 20:53 - May 16 with 1283 views
Rye College teacher on 20:40 - May 16 by Dr_Winston
If she'd said that some people believe that there are 300 genders, but others disagree then that would be stimulating a debate. Instead she tried to shut them down.
The fact that there aren't all that many recordings of stuff like this indicates that people don't generally record them, not that they don't happen. I'd suspect that most kids who disagree with what they're being "taught" tend to keep quiet to avoid hassle anyway.
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When bullying goes on or wind ups just for a laugh, it should be shut down.
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Rye College teacher on 20:54 - May 16 with 1283 views
Biological sex is a good black and white definition, and certainly helps when rightly (in my opinion) defences have to be made to preserve rights - sports, same sex spaces etc.
Gender can then be used to talk about the rest, such as social attributes.
As you allude, language is always evolving and this can be useful.
The point is that such language evolution often serves political or ideological ends and is fiercely contested.
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Rye College teacher on 21:01 - May 16 with 1271 views
Rye College teacher on 20:26 - May 16 by Dr_Winston
Regardless of what you think about the motives of those involved, it lays bare the problem with education in this country. For decades now, children and young adults have been taught what to think, not how to think.
This could have been a perfect opportunity for the teacher to encourage debate and an exchange of ideas. Instead she tried to shut the girls down by threatening them with disciplinary action.
The education system needs to be purged of this kind of stuff.
What a world that we now live in, hey! The insanity is everywhere on so many fronts! The adults are the instigators and the very problem! Puberty blockers for kids etc, shocking!
The U.K is well and truly messed up courtesy of legions of immoral/idiotic/disturbed disciples belonging to the mind-virus cult of WOKE and virtue signaling!
I was taken aback by replies on the other forum for my criticism of the London mayor for allowing grown adult men to ride completely naked uninvited in front of children in public spaces.
Apparently it’s o.k. to do so, because it’s all about (what's the link??????) protecting the environment, it was, according to others on that forum a (100% SERIOUS!) perfectly acceptable thing to do.
That famous 1970's picture of a cop covering a streakers private parts with his helmet hey! The policeman wasn't doing that to protect the streaker from cold weather conditions, now was he?
A well known Swansea fighter, autism awareness campaigner and father of two young kids was in London that day, and he was naturally disgusted by what he saw, he even witnessed some naked men waving their tackle about thinking it was great fun. And a children's charity is equally disgusted by it also.
What I found hilarious was (I was accused of being a racist for having a go at Khan for allowing it btw) was that those by their very support for indecent exposure, were Inadvertently admitting to being more than comfortable with the thought of doing exactly the same thing themselves.
Argus!
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Rye College teacher on 21:59 - May 16 with 1217 views
Sadiq Khan is a repugnant piece of shit, and he was that long before he became a divisive, race baiting Mayor of London.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Rye College teacher on 22:11 - May 16 with 1211 views
Rye College teacher on 21:59 - May 16 by Dr_Winston
Sadiq Khan is a repugnant piece of shit, and he was that long before he became a divisive, race baiting Mayor of London.
If you dish out deserved criticism upon Khan in exactly the same way that 'Red Ken' (Livingstone), London GLC and its merry gang of absolute crackpots were in the past?.... You get called a 'racist' by those that support grown men riding absolutely starker's in front of children.
There is a question regarding people's credibility here, along with their ability to have self awareness
Argus!
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Rye College teacher on 22:16 - May 16 with 1204 views
Rye College teacher on 22:11 - May 16 by Wingstandwood
If you dish out deserved criticism upon Khan in exactly the same way that 'Red Ken' (Livingstone), London GLC and its merry gang of absolute crackpots were in the past?.... You get called a 'racist' by those that support grown men riding absolutely starker's in front of children.
There is a question regarding people's credibility here, along with their ability to have self awareness
I've got no respect for Red Ken's politics, but he was a cut above Khan.
Someone with his track record of defending terrorists and enemies of the UK has no business being allowed to run as a candidate for London Mayor anyway.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Rye College teacher on 23:36 - May 16 with 1174 views
The guidance we have on this kind of thing is pretty good i.e there are two biological sexes (with very rare intersex examples) and gender is more of a social construct.
Most schools have cubicles for toilets which are gender neutral in themselves so not a big deal.
The biggest issues are when press pick up things out of context and use bits for rage bait.
In 25 years I’ve only encountered two children who I genuinely believe were born in the wrong (sic) body. Both heartbreaking.
The Scottish teacher is obviously teaching to a syllabus though ?
A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
Rye College teacher on 23:36 - May 16 by KeithHaynes
The Scottish teacher is obviously teaching to a syllabus though ?
I'd say Keith is right about that - guidance if not a syllabus. We know that language evolves and that usage of particular terms becomes part of the culture wars, but it is very significant when a new and controversial usage gains support in official institutions, particularly in an institution responsible for a big part of the socialisation of children. There is huge controversy now in universities as the beginnings of a similar idea that certain things cannot be discussed starts to take hold.
I thought the Scottish student was spot on when he suggested that identity is a more useful concept than gender, While gender suggests discrete categories in a classification system, identity is more fluid. People can identify in many ways and social identities can change in radical ways even in adult life. I like Frank Musgrove's book, Margins of the Mind, which presents some intriguing case studies of adult resocialisation. Musgrove published a lot in the education field. Harold Garfinkel's study of Agnes, a biological male who identifies as a woman, is discussed.
Rye College teacher on 05:52 - May 17 by AnotherJohn
I'd say Keith is right about that - guidance if not a syllabus. We know that language evolves and that usage of particular terms becomes part of the culture wars, but it is very significant when a new and controversial usage gains support in official institutions, particularly in an institution responsible for a big part of the socialisation of children. There is huge controversy now in universities as the beginnings of a similar idea that certain things cannot be discussed starts to take hold.
I thought the Scottish student was spot on when he suggested that identity is a more useful concept than gender, While gender suggests discrete categories in a classification system, identity is more fluid. People can identify in many ways and social identities can change in radical ways even in adult life. I like Frank Musgrove's book, Margins of the Mind, which presents some intriguing case studies of adult resocialisation. Musgrove published a lot in the education field. Harold Garfinkel's study of Agnes, a biological male who identifies as a woman, is discussed.
As is normal he was shouted down by someone (the teacher) who won’t accept another persons opinion. Plus I highly doubt in any circumstances that the teacher has disengagement skills or basic abilities to consolidate and leave the subject for a one to one. It was a simple this is it and there’s no discussion. This ‘teacher’ is the type of person we don’t need in education.
In fact anywhere,
A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
Rye College teacher on 11:39 - May 17 by KeithHaynes
As is normal he was shouted down by someone (the teacher) who won’t accept another persons opinion. Plus I highly doubt in any circumstances that the teacher has disengagement skills or basic abilities to consolidate and leave the subject for a one to one. It was a simple this is it and there’s no discussion. This ‘teacher’ is the type of person we don’t need in education.
In fact anywhere,
I fnd it difficult to understand why teachers want to get involved in these debates, if it's activism then the teachers need to be moved on.
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