| Royal Navy is in the toilet 13:42 - May 17 with 2967 views | Martyn |
Some say it's not our war to join. Others say, why help the madman Trump
The bottom line is we can't. The Royal Navy is in the toilet
Britannia rules the waves, my arse
"Right now, the Royal Navy fleet looks like a construction site. All of the major classes of warships and support ships, without exception, are in various states of retirement, repair, construction, training, or crew regeneration. Some relatively new ships are tied up alongside but uncrewed as they await sufficient trained manpower and funding to be used operationally. It’s thought that of the force of just 13 destroyers and frigates, only around four are at sea. It’s the same story with attack submarines, where only one of the five vessels is known to be operational."
"Only 25 out of 63 commissioned vessels are actual fighting ships. This force size is impossible to service Britain’s overseas responsibilities and has seen cuts of 50% in only 30 years. In 1996, there were 22 frigates, 17 submarines, 15 destroyers, and 3 aircraft carriers. Today’s First Sea Lord must attempt to carry out the same duties with seven frigates, 10 submarines, six destroyers, and two aircraft carriers. In addition, the U.K. underfunded new capabilities like domestic air and missile defenses and advanced command and control systems."
Finally, after many excuses, posited as reasons, we finally send ONE shiop to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. HMS Dragon
You cant make it up. With the USA sitting there with mega Aircraft carriers and fleet of ships Starmer thinks sending one ship will open the Strait.
No wonder he/they got shellacked in the elections along with the immigration bit
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 13:58 - May 17 with 1960 views | union_jack |
It’s the culmination of reduced funding over many years. I think we 1.thought we were not going to need a fully staffed armed forces as we were living in more peaceful times some years ago and 2. even if we did, NATO’s combined forces should be enough. Unfortunately, all NATO countries did the same with one exception and now they are quite understandably saying enough is enough. |  |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 14:46 - May 17 with 1926 views | KeithHaynes |
Starmer is the real enemy of the state. How much more proof is needed ? |  |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 15:02 - May 17 with 1904 views | onehunglow |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 14:46 - May 17 by KeithHaynes |
Starmer is the real enemy of the state. How much more proof is needed ? |
Many are ashamed of what we are allowing to go on but for those who are ex military it must be off the scale sickening | |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 16:14 - May 17 with 1866 views | AnotherJohn |
The rise of the idea of the "international rules based order" has lulled too many into a false sense of security. Too many think that all that is needed to keep us safe is for a bunch of Western countries to sign some treaties that enshrine lofty ideals. The trouble is that countries like Russia, China and some of the BRICS only follow the rules when it suits them. W could never have won WW2 if we had bound our hands with the rules of warfare we supposedly recognise now. | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 16:24 - May 17 with 1861 views | majorraglan |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 13:58 - May 17 by union_jack |
It’s the culmination of reduced funding over many years. I think we 1.thought we were not going to need a fully staffed armed forces as we were living in more peaceful times some years ago and 2. even if we did, NATO’s combined forces should be enough. Unfortunately, all NATO countries did the same with one exception and now they are quite understandably saying enough is enough. |
This.
We’ve been let down by successive governments. The 2010 Strategic Defence Review saw budgets and cuts- spending was reduced by approximately 8% over four years. The review mandated the loss of around 42,000 personnel across the MoD by 2015. This included significant cuts across the Army, Royal Navy, Royal Air Force, and a large reduction in MoD civilian staff. An updated review was published in 2015 which saw an increase of 1900 staff across the Intelligence Services, but the the 3 armed services saw huge cuts.
Since 2008 when the Russians invaded Georgia, we’ve seen the annexation of Crimea and chunks of the Donbas, hybrid warfare in Estonia, an assassination attempt in Montenegro, The Novichock incident in the U.K. and numerous interventions in Africa either through Wagner, militias or the New Africa Corp.
Our politicians should have had their eye on the ball and taken steps to put things right a long time ago and they should have taken action when the Russians started their nonsense.
Warships normally take 5 to 10 years to build and commission, the latest Type 26 Frigate takes 10 years - thats mental. Navy wise, anything we do today won’t see service until the next decade. 🤬 | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 16:28 - May 17 with 1846 views | majorraglan |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 14:46 - May 17 by KeithHaynes |
Starmer is the real enemy of the state. How much more proof is needed ? |
Starmer has to carry the can for some of the issues we face, but I don’t see how Starmer is responsible for the mess our armed forces are in given the time lines we have with defence related issues. The maintenance programs for our ships are beyond his control as we’ve shut so many facilities there’s hardly anywhere to get the work done. It takes an age for anything to happen! | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 16:53 - May 17 with 1810 views | Scotia |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 16:28 - May 17 by majorraglan |
Starmer has to carry the can for some of the issues we face, but I don’t see how Starmer is responsible for the mess our armed forces are in given the time lines we have with defence related issues. The maintenance programs for our ships are beyond his control as we’ve shut so many facilities there’s hardly anywhere to get the work done. It takes an age for anything to happen! |
Starmer isn't a good leader. He's been weak, pandered to the Labour left and squandered their majority.
But some of the things he's getting the blame for are ridiculous. | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 16:55 - May 17 with 1805 views | onehunglow |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 16:53 - May 17 by Scotia |
Starmer isn't a good leader. He's been weak, pandered to the Labour left and squandered their majority.
But some of the things he's getting the blame for are ridiculous. |
Fair comment
The running down of our defence has been decades long
Conservatives just as blameworthy
Same with “ law and order” where Tories are and never have been the “ party for law and order” | |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:15 - May 17 with 1789 views | builthjack |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 14:46 - May 17 by KeithHaynes |
Starmer is the real enemy of the state. How much more proof is needed ? |
The last 2 years.
What about the previous 14 is it? |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:28 - May 17 with 1781 views | KeithHaynes |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:15 - May 17 by builthjack |
The last 2 years.
What about the previous 14 is it? |
Currently. | |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:33 - May 17 with 1778 views | Whiterockin |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:15 - May 17 by builthjack |
The last 2 years.
What about the previous 14 is it? |
Voters have less patience than they had before. The Conservatives were voted out and the country put their faith in Labour who have not lived up to expectations and will be voted out. Thats the way the country rolls now, deliver or you are out. Party loyalty is for the unintelegent. |  | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:58 - May 17 with 1744 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:33 - May 17 by Whiterockin |
Voters have less patience than they had before. The Conservatives were voted out and the country put their faith in Labour who have not lived up to expectations and will be voted out. Thats the way the country rolls now, deliver or you are out. Party loyalty is for the unintelegent. |
Starmer s stance in opposition was completely negative and he was in the regular habit of blaming the PM for every incident however big or small. It feels like he's now on the other end of this tactic.
He blamed the previous Government from the inflation that arose from fuel prices when Russia invaded Ukraine for example, he can't expect to be cut much slack now he's in power. |  |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 18:08 - May 17 with 1739 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
One of the lessons of the Ukro Russian war is the complete redundancy of the Russian Black Sea fleet. It is effectively in hiding and keeping out of the way.
Useless Trump did not take the lessons and they dare not put a a Cariier anywhere near the Straight s of Hormuz. Drones sea drones and missiles could do severe damage. I am not an expert but taking out a missile heading in your direction is a major technological problem due to speed and tiny exposed surface area. This decisive in stopping a swarm of them.
The Royal Navy may already be obsolete. It has a lot of defence systems but do they work? So did the Moskova. OK against at a minor nation but not an advanced foe.
This is why China cannot invade Taiwan with out total obliteration first.
That is my assessment based on common sense and recent events not any experience. It should have been enough for Trump to stay out of Hormuz.
Iran has attacked Oman which are good British Allies and a stable decent relatively liberal stats in Arabia. I worked the first 5 months back in the late 1980s. UK might go have to get involved after this attack.
Trump needs to go and fast. [Post edited 18 May 20:39]
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 18:25 - May 17 with 1719 views | onehunglow |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:15 - May 17 by builthjack |
The last 2 years.
What about the previous 14 is it? |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 20:38 - May 17 with 1676 views | majorraglan |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:58 - May 17 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Starmer s stance in opposition was completely negative and he was in the regular habit of blaming the PM for every incident however big or small. It feels like he's now on the other end of this tactic.
He blamed the previous Government from the inflation that arose from fuel prices when Russia invaded Ukraine for example, he can't expect to be cut much slack now he's in power. |
They all do that, point scoring and sadly it’s par for the course. We deserve better.
We saw similar from Badenoch and Farage the other day over the Gulf conflict, initially they criticised Starmer for not supporting Trump and when they realise public opinion is siding with Starmer they change their tune.
Last year Farage was all in favour of lifting the 2 child benefit cap, then when it’s proposed and going through parliament he changes his mind and opposes it. 🤷 If rather he’d have opposed it from the outset tbh - politicians don’t we just love em! Not. | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:21 - May 17 with 1640 views | Scotia |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:33 - May 17 by Whiterockin |
Voters have less patience than they had before. The Conservatives were voted out and the country put their faith in Labour who have not lived up to expectations and will be voted out. Thats the way the country rolls now, deliver or you are out. Party loyalty is for the unintelegent. |
Well the voters need to understand the state the country is in. We've got two choices, pay more tax or expect less, to be honest probably both for a while. We need patience.
We need a bit of honesty in politics but the public won't understand it. Who'd vote for a party who's manifesto was basically "pay more, get less".
We've got at least two election cycles before we see any improvement in living standards. If we elect Reform that will probably be four. There are no quick fixes because we're in deep sh*t.
Opposition for the sake of opposition is pathetic, but it's the way it works. I admire Plaid for going for a minority government in Wales, basically daring Labour, Greens, and Lib Dems to vote with Reform. Let's see what happens. | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:26 - May 17 with 1638 views | max936 |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:21 - May 17 by Scotia |
Well the voters need to understand the state the country is in. We've got two choices, pay more tax or expect less, to be honest probably both for a while. We need patience.
We need a bit of honesty in politics but the public won't understand it. Who'd vote for a party who's manifesto was basically "pay more, get less".
We've got at least two election cycles before we see any improvement in living standards. If we elect Reform that will probably be four. There are no quick fixes because we're in deep sh*t.
Opposition for the sake of opposition is pathetic, but it's the way it works. I admire Plaid for going for a minority government in Wales, basically daring Labour, Greens, and Lib Dems to vote with Reform. Let's see what happens. |
Pay more tax, that's your answer to everything, what about the vast amount of "taxpayers" money that is constantly wasted amounting to billions upon billions. [Post edited 17 May 21:33]
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:27 - May 17 with 1637 views | Whiterockin |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:21 - May 17 by Scotia |
Well the voters need to understand the state the country is in. We've got two choices, pay more tax or expect less, to be honest probably both for a while. We need patience.
We need a bit of honesty in politics but the public won't understand it. Who'd vote for a party who's manifesto was basically "pay more, get less".
We've got at least two election cycles before we see any improvement in living standards. If we elect Reform that will probably be four. There are no quick fixes because we're in deep sh*t.
Opposition for the sake of opposition is pathetic, but it's the way it works. I admire Plaid for going for a minority government in Wales, basically daring Labour, Greens, and Lib Dems to vote with Reform. Let's see what happens. |
It will be interesting to see if the Welsh electorate stick with Plaid in the GE. | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:37 - May 17 with 1627 views | Scotia |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:26 - May 17 by max936 |
Pay more tax, that's your answer to everything, what about the vast amount of "taxpayers" money that is constantly wasted amounting to billions upon billions. [Post edited 17 May 21:33]
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One man's waste is another man's necessity. It's relative.
I also said expect less, I get free prescriptions I don't need and wouldn't get in England. My daughter gets free school meals (including a dessert FFS) every day, we don't need those and wouldn't get them in England. Both are often defended on here. To me they're a waste of money others think they're great.
We've got very little left to cut. Look at the title of this thread | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 22:29 - May 17 with 1581 views | max936 |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:37 - May 17 by Scotia |
One man's waste is another man's necessity. It's relative.
I also said expect less, I get free prescriptions I don't need and wouldn't get in England. My daughter gets free school meals (including a dessert FFS) every day, we don't need those and wouldn't get them in England. Both are often defended on here. To me they're a waste of money others think they're great.
We've got very little left to cut. Look at the title of this thread |
Its not look at the taxes we pay now, fuel going up again, yet the government could mitigate that by cutting fuel tax, but they won't because they're getting even more fuel tax, but they continue to give away billions abroad and at home with housing asylum seekers, Chagos islands, Ukraine etc he wants to have closer links with europe again and offering billions to do so, the benefit system is costing the taxpayer billions, with the taxpayer picking up the tab.
Yet you say we need to pay even more tax when that doesn't work which it won't the likes of you will be saying the same thing, I used to work far more hours than I do now, but stopped after I could see the tax I was paying which doesn't stop there because my NI contributions increases as well, I've worked for nearly 50yrs like millions of others, due to retire next year and they expect me to live on the breadline after I've paid into the system for all these years.
Wakeup and look around and see what's happening in this country. | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 22:30 - May 17 with 1581 views | union_jack |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 21:37 - May 17 by Scotia |
One man's waste is another man's necessity. It's relative.
I also said expect less, I get free prescriptions I don't need and wouldn't get in England. My daughter gets free school meals (including a dessert FFS) every day, we don't need those and wouldn't get them in England. Both are often defended on here. To me they're a waste of money others think they're great.
We've got very little left to cut. Look at the title of this thread |
Free prescriptions saves money elsewhere. It’s been discussed in here numerous times. | |
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 02:15 - May 18 with 1540 views | Robbie |
Corbyn wanted to scrap Trident as a defence answer to our peaceful status going forward in a World dominated by the threat of the nukes .
Thank goodness he was found out as as another lost cause for the UK defending itself .
Starmer waves the flag of HMS Dragon of setting sail and milks the muted applause of his decision making .
When the brown stuff hit the fan in the early Eighties it seemed every availalbe boat was sent down South to protect the British Islands and terrotories .
Fast fortward and a few rubber dinghies are a no go area . | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 07:36 - May 18 with 1468 views | Togg |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 17:15 - May 17 by builthjack |
The last 2 years.
What about the previous 14 is it? |
Labour can really do no wrong for you. They've been an absolute disaster!
You do realise Gordon Brown also left us in hell of a mess. Both as bad as each other.
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| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 07:48 - May 18 with 1442 views | Whiterockin |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 07:36 - May 18 by Togg |
Labour can really do no wrong for you. They've been an absolute disaster!
You do realise Gordon Brown also left us in hell of a mess. Both as bad as each other.
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We won't mention the damage done to personal pensions. | | | |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 09:06 - May 18 with 1392 views | onehunglow |
| Royal Navy is in the toilet on 07:36 - May 18 by Togg |
Labour can really do no wrong for you. They've been an absolute disaster!
You do realise Gordon Brown also left us in hell of a mess. Both as bad as each other.
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The Labour Party has dumped all over decent folk like Builthy
A lifetime’s loyalty to an ideal Shat on
Any political party spouting “ ordinary people” or “ working class” is horrific | |
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