| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding 12:39 - Jun 11 with 3463 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
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The below extract from Healey's resignation letter seems to indicate that Starmer is making promises internationally that he is reticent to fund.
"Conflict in the Middle East, with the UK now leading the multinational Strait of Hormuz military mission; High North security, with the UK now leading Nato’s Arctic Sentry mission; increased Russian activity towards the UK and Nato nations and increased attacks in Ukraine, with the Paris Agreement confirming a British deployment to Ukraine after a ceasefire."
Jonathan Beale at the BBC says Allies were beginning to ask questions.
Mark Rutte when asked to comment said " I respect John Healey very much". [Post edited 11 Jun 13:00]
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 15:59 - Jun 11 with 2544 views | AnotherJohn |
This looks like a crisis for the Government. In the past resignations like this have had very serious consequences for PMs. |  | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:26 - Jun 11 with 2515 views | Gwyn737 |
I think he's right to call out lack of funding.
However, the amout of waste in procurement in the forces is eyewatering.
I reckon a lot of people would accept payiing more tax if they could see it making a difference. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:44 - Jun 11 with 2491 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:26 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
I think he's right to call out lack of funding.
However, the amout of waste in procurement in the forces is eyewatering.
I reckon a lot of people would accept payiing more tax if they could see it making a difference. |
I think that goes for a range of Government Departments. | |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:49 - Jun 11 with 2483 views | Whiterockin |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:26 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
I think he's right to call out lack of funding.
However, the amout of waste in procurement in the forces is eyewatering.
I reckon a lot of people would accept payiing more tax if they could see it making a difference. |
I think many can see that the current government do not have clue how to run the country. Basic policies are detrimental to the country not beneficial. Yes pay more tax if it would make a difference but current policies are making things worse and higher taxation will just be poured into the black hole. |  | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:56 - Jun 11 with 2465 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 15:59 - Jun 11 by AnotherJohn |
This looks like a crisis for the Government. In the past resignations like this have had very serious consequences for PMs. |
It’s the worst crisis since the one the other day or the others the week before.
They’re the political version of Alf from the Fast Show.
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:17 - Jun 11 with 2433 views | Gwyn737 |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:49 - Jun 11 by Whiterockin |
I think many can see that the current government do not have clue how to run the country. Basic policies are detrimental to the country not beneficial. Yes pay more tax if it would make a difference but current policies are making things worse and higher taxation will just be poured into the black hole. |
I really don’t think the issues with defence can be pointed at the current government. It’s been a farce for decades with billions poured away. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:29 - Jun 11 with 2420 views | AnotherJohn |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 16:56 - Jun 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s the worst crisis since the one the other day or the others the week before.
They’re the political version of Alf from the Fast Show.
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I was thinking of Heseltine or Howe, but this seems a worse situation. Of course, Boris's demise was triggered by a spate of resignations but Healey's departure stands out more than any single one at that time. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:52 - Jun 11 with 2398 views | max936 |
Starmer is ruining the country it was bad enough with the tories, hold onto your hollyhocks though, because there'll be a few defending him with inflation is down you know, which means feckall in the scheme of things  |  | | |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:56 - Jun 11 with 2396 views | builthjack |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:17 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
I really don’t think the issues with defence can be pointed at the current government. It’s been a farce for decades with billions poured away. |
I wondered why Sunak called an early election.
He knew what he was passing over. |  |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 18:05 - Jun 11 with 2389 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:17 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
I really don’t think the issues with defence can be pointed at the current government. It’s been a farce for decades with billions poured away. |
Since the end of the we cold war in the 1980s we have eroded defence. Defence spending has halved as a proportion of GDP, Welfare has doubled.
The shit has hit the fan now, the Government is pulling apart rather than together, Streeting and Burnham, Ministers resigning and multiple u turns. [Post edited 11 Jun 18:06]
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 18:08 - Jun 11 with 2374 views | max936 |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:56 - Jun 11 by builthjack |
I wondered why Sunak called an early election.
He knew what he was passing over. |
Clever man chucked the deep end once the clowns in his party bollocked the job up, things might have been different if he had headed the party years earlier, he seemed to have more political nouse about him than his previous incumbents. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 18:26 - Jun 11 with 2340 views | Gwyn737 |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 18:05 - Jun 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Since the end of the we cold war in the 1980s we have eroded defence. Defence spending has halved as a proportion of GDP, Welfare has doubled.
The shit has hit the fan now, the Government is pulling apart rather than together, Streeting and Burnham, Ministers resigning and multiple u turns. [Post edited 11 Jun 18:06]
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I agree with spending, I just think we shouldn’t ignore the huge amounts of money wasted. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 18:48 - Jun 11 with 2330 views | AnotherJohn |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 18:26 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
I agree with spending, I just think we shouldn’t ignore the huge amounts of money wasted. |
Historically, procurement in the defence sector wasn't great. In the late 1980s, with a shake- up in NHS management, a number of persons who had been involved in MoD procurement were recruited to Trust Chief Exec posts. Those I came across didn't do very well. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 19:08 - Jun 11 with 2310 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The speaker of the house Lindsay Hoyle gave a bollocking to the government today over rumours that they are going to “sneak out” the defence review tomorrow which is conveniently and completely coincidentally a day Parliament isn’t sitting. He said members have been waiting almost a year for this and the house should be the first place where announcements like this are made. He finished with the scathing remark that the members of the House of Commons are second class citizens when it comes to this government. | |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 19:19 - Jun 11 with 2289 views | Whiterockin |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:17 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
I really don’t think the issues with defence can be pointed at the current government. It’s been a farce for decades with billions poured away. |
Would you be prepared to give this government extra money in taxation and trust them to spend it wisely, it seems nothing is this governments fault. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 19:48 - Jun 11 with 2273 views | Gwyn737 |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 19:19 - Jun 11 by Whiterockin |
Would you be prepared to give this government extra money in taxation and trust them to spend it wisely, it seems nothing is this governments fault. |
Nope. They’ve been poor so far.
I’d like to see them saving money, particularly on the welfare bill and redistributing that before upping taxes.
They won’t do it, it would be too unpopular. Particularly if they start where they should do by scrapping the triple lock. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:33 - Jun 11 with 2243 views | onehunglow |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 17:56 - Jun 11 by builthjack |
I wondered why Sunak called an early election.
He knew what he was passing over. |
Who’s the thread about ? | |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:35 - Jun 11 with 2246 views | Whiterockin |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 19:48 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
Nope. They’ve been poor so far.
I’d like to see them saving money, particularly on the welfare bill and redistributing that before upping taxes.
They won’t do it, it would be too unpopular. Particularly if they start where they should do by scrapping the triple lock. |
The triple lock is pretty pointless because the government just take it back in tax. Personally my state pension is above the tax threshold so I actually pay tax on my state pension. Nobody should ever pay tax on a state benefit. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:40 - Jun 11 with 2242 views | Dr_Winston |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:35 - Jun 11 by Whiterockin |
The triple lock is pretty pointless because the government just take it back in tax. Personally my state pension is above the tax threshold so I actually pay tax on my state pension. Nobody should ever pay tax on a state benefit. |
I disagree with that last point.
There are plenty of people out there on benefits taking home per month significantly more than I do, yet I pay tax and they don't.
If they're not going to be paying taxes on their income then benefit rates should be set at a point where they don't exceed a full time salary. |  |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:52 - Jun 11 with 2226 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Al Carns walks. | |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:53 - Jun 11 with 2223 views | Gwyn737 |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:35 - Jun 11 by Whiterockin |
The triple lock is pretty pointless because the government just take it back in tax. Personally my state pension is above the tax threshold so I actually pay tax on my state pension. Nobody should ever pay tax on a state benefit. |
My understanding is the tax taken back account for about 30% of the overall bill?… | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 21:02 - Jun 11 with 2215 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:35 - Jun 11 by Whiterockin |
The triple lock is pretty pointless because the government just take it back in tax. Personally my state pension is above the tax threshold so I actually pay tax on my state pension. Nobody should ever pay tax on a state benefit. |
I read state pension and tax threshold are now about equal. About £1000 per month. Reeves does not need to raise income tax as tax income will rise due to inflation as the tax free threshold £12k is fixed to 2030.
Private pension have a 25% tax free component. A person with a private pension can get £24k p a oe £2k a month tax free. |  |
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 21:10 - Jun 11 with 2206 views | Whiterockin |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 20:53 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
My understanding is the tax taken back account for about 30% of the overall bill?… |
My point was the triple lock is just a headline grabber and pointless if you are going to claw a percentage back it tax. Lift the tax threshold and do away with the triple lock and tax sensibly. It just seems silly paying the benift then taxing it. Tax savings and income through personal pensions but making a big deal of the triple lock then taxing the benefit is just headline grabbing. | | | |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 21:11 - Jun 11 with 2205 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 21:02 - Jun 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I read state pension and tax threshold are now about equal. About £1000 per month. Reeves does not need to raise income tax as tax income will rise due to inflation as the tax free threshold £12k is fixed to 2030.
Private pension have a 25% tax free component. A person with a private pension can get £24k p a oe £2k a month tax free. |
It's 25 percent of the pension fund that is tax free. Both private and public funded pensions have a tax free component.
If you have a £20,000 fund then a tax free element of £5,000 applies. If the fund is £100,000 then the tax free element is £25,000. How and when you take the pension payment varies.
There's a question around this, pension contributions get tax relief so the tax free element is open to discussion.
Pensions are said to be the last resort of Governments in failure. [Post edited 11 Jun 21:25]
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| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 21:16 - Jun 11 with 2194 views | Gwyn737 |
| Defence Secretary Quits Over Funding on 21:10 - Jun 11 by Whiterockin |
My point was the triple lock is just a headline grabber and pointless if you are going to claw a percentage back it tax. Lift the tax threshold and do away with the triple lock and tax sensibly. It just seems silly paying the benift then taxing it. Tax savings and income through personal pensions but making a big deal of the triple lock then taxing the benefit is just headline grabbing. |
It’s not my area of expertise but I believe even with the clawback, the bill will be billions by 2030.
The net figure sees to that. | | | |
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