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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile 11:24 - Sep 7 with 6100 viewsJackoBoostardo

Given the current economical climate where for years people have been forced to cut hours, take pay cuts or freezes or even lose their jobs... you can always trust these guys to make things better!

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Well above inflation too! Nice for some!

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:32 - Sep 7 with 4651 viewsunion_jack

For balance, they are probably not paid in line with their responsibility level.

£67k pa is not huge these days and many middle managers in industry are paid more.

Of course, they won't be getting a sympathy vote from anyone anytime soon!!

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:34 - Sep 7 with 4647 viewsdickythorpe

There are GP's not earning as much as 67k
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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:35 - Sep 7 with 4645 viewsexiledclaseboy

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:32 - Sep 7 by union_jack

For balance, they are probably not paid in line with their responsibility level.

£67k pa is not huge these days and many middle managers in industry are paid more.

Of course, they won't be getting a sympathy vote from anyone anytime soon!!


I agree, most of them could make much more than that outside of Parliament. But they would of course be mental to accept a 9% pay rise at a time when everyone else is getting zip. The symbolism would be awful.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:40 - Sep 7 with 4638 viewsunion_jack

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:35 - Sep 7 by exiledclaseboy

I agree, most of them could make much more than that outside of Parliament. But they would of course be mental to accept a 9% pay rise at a time when everyone else is getting zip. The symbolism would be awful.


Yes, agree about the message it would send.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:50 - Sep 7 with 4617 viewsJackfath

I think it's fully deserved as they do a great job running the country.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:51 - Sep 7 with 4618 viewsdickythorpe

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:32 - Sep 7 by union_jack

For balance, they are probably not paid in line with their responsibility level.

£67k pa is not huge these days and many middle managers in industry are paid more.

Of course, they won't be getting a sympathy vote from anyone anytime soon!!


Middle managers in what industries in Wales earn 60-70k?
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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:53 - Sep 7 with 4609 viewsJackfath

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:51 - Sep 7 by dickythorpe

Middle managers in what industries in Wales earn 60-70k?


That's what I was thinking.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:55 - Sep 7 with 4604 viewsexiledclaseboy

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:51 - Sep 7 by dickythorpe

Middle managers in what industries in Wales earn 60-70k?


Some of the managers of Tesco's larger stores are on significantly more than that. Whether they are classed as "middle management" is another matter.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:57 - Sep 7 with 4599 viewsunion_jack

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:51 - Sep 7 by dickythorpe

Middle managers in what industries in Wales earn 60-70k?


Large private construction / utilities companies.

I didn't say just Wales however!!

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:57 - Sep 7 with 4598 viewsLohengrin

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:51 - Sep 7 by dickythorpe

Middle managers in what industries in Wales earn 60-70k?


Steel.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:59 - Sep 7 with 4590 viewsepaul

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:32 - Sep 7 by union_jack

For balance, they are probably not paid in line with their responsibility level.

£67k pa is not huge these days and many middle managers in industry are paid more.

Of course, they won't be getting a sympathy vote from anyone anytime soon!!


Of course the directorships and advisory roles most have with big business paying them 1000's for a few hours advise a month doesn't help their already swelling bank balances.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:03 - Sep 7 with 4577 viewsunion_jack

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 11:59 - Sep 7 by epaul

Of course the directorships and advisory roles most have with big business paying them 1000's for a few hours advise a month doesn't help their already swelling bank balances.


But that's not the point though Paul. We are talking remuneration for the job if MP and in comparison to some private sector jobs of arguably far less responsibility, the job is underpaid IMO.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:05 - Sep 7 with 4570 viewsdickythorpe

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:03 - Sep 7 by union_jack

But that's not the point though Paul. We are talking remuneration for the job if MP and in comparison to some private sector jobs of arguably far less responsibility, the job is underpaid IMO.


A GP has a far more responsible job than an MP, as does a firefighter, paramedic.................
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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:07 - Sep 7 with 4565 viewsexiledclaseboy

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:03 - Sep 7 by union_jack

But that's not the point though Paul. We are talking remuneration for the job if MP and in comparison to some private sector jobs of arguably far less responsibility, the job is underpaid IMO.


Increase their wages and ban all secondary activities.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:08 - Sep 7 with 4558 viewsGeoffThom

How the feck can they tell public sector to take no pay rise for six years then offer them 1% and then pay themselves that % is taking the Michael
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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:11 - Sep 7 with 4556 viewsexiledclaseboy

Of course, they still have their generous expenses and over 100 of them are government ministers, who all pick up a ministerial salary on top of the MP one. Cabinet ministers get about £140k per year. But there are senior civil servants earning far more.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:11 - Sep 7 with 4551 viewsperchrockjack

Doctors /dentists get paid to run their business. MPS should get more and claim business expenses as per HMRC like the rest of us/you.

Business expenses being only the cost of doing their job

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:11 - Sep 7 with 4552 viewsunion_jack

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:05 - Sep 7 by dickythorpe

A GP has a far more responsible job than an MP, as does a firefighter, paramedic.................


Now if you said hospital specialist, I may agree!!

This is obviously a contentious issue, but individually a GP may not be as valuable as an MP. You would need to seek the advice of a job evaluation specialist but I would argue that the MP has more responsibility. A tough one though.

That said, many GPs are earning well in excess of £67k.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:13 - Sep 7 with 4547 viewsexiledclaseboy

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:11 - Sep 7 by union_jack

Now if you said hospital specialist, I may agree!!

This is obviously a contentious issue, but individually a GP may not be as valuable as an MP. You would need to seek the advice of a job evaluation specialist but I would argue that the MP has more responsibility. A tough one though.

That said, many GPs are earning well in excess of £67k.


I wouldn't say that a backbench MP has a more responsible job than a GP. Ministers, maybe.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:14 - Sep 7 with 4544 viewsunion_jack

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:07 - Sep 7 by exiledclaseboy

Increase their wages and ban all secondary activities.


Only where there is a conflict if interest ( which is presumably the case anyway).

So long as they can fit it in I don't think it ethical to restrict their employment activity.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:14 - Sep 7 with 4543 viewsdickythorpe

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:11 - Sep 7 by union_jack

Now if you said hospital specialist, I may agree!!

This is obviously a contentious issue, but individually a GP may not be as valuable as an MP. You would need to seek the advice of a job evaluation specialist but I would argue that the MP has more responsibility. A tough one though.

That said, many GPs are earning well in excess of £67k.


It's all about opinions and yes the subject of earnings and salaries is always going to be a "spicy" issue. We will always get comparisons between who works harder and deserves more due to workloads and responsibilities.
Good debate so far.
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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:17 - Sep 7 with 4535 viewsunion_jack

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:14 - Sep 7 by dickythorpe

It's all about opinions and yes the subject of earnings and salaries is always going to be a "spicy" issue. We will always get comparisons between who works harder and deserves more due to workloads and responsibilities.
Good debate so far.


Well it certainly hasn't descended into full out verbal abuse.........yet!!

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:17 - Sep 7 with 4534 viewsperchrockjack

I sincerely hope doctors are getting far more than 67k because that s roughly a quarter of what some prem league players are getting

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:21 - Sep 7 with 4525 viewsunion_jack

Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:17 - Sep 7 by perchrockjack

I sincerely hope doctors are getting far more than 67k because that s roughly a quarter of what some prem league players are getting


A quarter????!!!!

67k is a quarter possibly if the WEEKLY wage, not annual as in the doctors'.

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Here's something I'm sure will make everyone smile on 12:40 - Sep 7 with 4508 viewsShaky

Quadrupling MPs' salaries would be a small price to pay if it meant they would become less inclined towards accepting consultancy payments and lobbying fees, which undoubtedly subvert the democratic process.

Indeed cynics might suspect that the powers that be use the popular press to whip up anti MP sentiment to keep them hungry and susceptible.
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