| Swans wage bill. on 06:51 - Jun 2 with 2422 views | Dr_Winston |
But apparently we struggled last season because we didn't spend even more.  |  |
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| Swans wage bill. on 07:52 - Jun 2 with 2333 views | hammy |
Why don't we just swap our squad for Atletico Madrid's and give them all a little pay rise ;) |  |
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| Swans wage bill. on 07:55 - Jun 2 with 2318 views | 34dfgdf54 |
If that is true then that is incredible.
Some really, really poor recruitment over the last few years. Sooner Gomis is off the books the better now |  | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 08:04 - Jun 2 with 2288 views | vetchonian |
| Swans wage bill. on 07:55 - Jun 2 by 34dfgdf54 |
If that is true then that is incredible.
Some really, really poor recruitment over the last few years. Sooner Gomis is off the books the better now |
It is not all due to recruitment of "poor"players it is a factor of being in the "big" league.
Prior to the PL we had a sensible wage structure but that got ripped apart once we joined the PL. We have tried to be clever by avoiding transfer fees and paying enahnced wage to compensate for the player losing his cut this in turn has triggered some increases to already contracted players.
Yes some our deals have not been the brightest but its not all due to our recruitment |  |
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| Swans wage bill. on 08:15 - Jun 2 with 2258 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swans wage bill. on 08:04 - Jun 2 by vetchonian |
It is not all due to recruitment of "poor"players it is a factor of being in the "big" league.
Prior to the PL we had a sensible wage structure but that got ripped apart once we joined the PL. We have tried to be clever by avoiding transfer fees and paying enahnced wage to compensate for the player losing his cut this in turn has triggered some increases to already contracted players.
Yes some our deals have not been the brightest but its not all due to our recruitment |
Closer to the truth.
Ultimately though it's a factor of a chairman making a succession of bad decisions for reasons ranging from arrogance to greed. | |
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| Swans wage bill. on 08:15 - Jun 2 with 2258 views | jackjackjackjack |
| Swans wage bill. on 07:55 - Jun 2 by 34dfgdf54 |
If that is true then that is incredible.
Some really, really poor recruitment over the last few years. Sooner Gomis is off the books the better now |
Gomis is a striker who scores goals, and we've had plenty of strikers who haven't. He's far from a bad buy. | |
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| Swans wage bill. on 08:18 - Jun 2 with 2246 views | Whiterockin |
| Swans wage bill. on 08:04 - Jun 2 by vetchonian |
It is not all due to recruitment of "poor"players it is a factor of being in the "big" league.
Prior to the PL we had a sensible wage structure but that got ripped apart once we joined the PL. We have tried to be clever by avoiding transfer fees and paying enahnced wage to compensate for the player losing his cut this in turn has triggered some increases to already contracted players.
Yes some our deals have not been the brightest but its not all due to our recruitment |
Agree with this but when you look at Gomis and Borja we have had very little return for the wages outlayed. |  | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:01 - Jun 2 with 2133 views | jack247 |
| Swans wage bill. on 08:15 - Jun 2 by jackjackjackjack |
Gomis is a striker who scores goals, and we've had plenty of strikers who haven't. He's far from a bad buy. |
He is a terrible buy/signing. He is one of our top earners and we had to pack him off to France for a season because he isn't good enough for us. He just doesn't look as bad when you compare him to the likes of Borja, Eder, Tabanou and the backup strikers we have had over the last few years.
Not only do we have a comparatively big wage bill, him and Borja are two of the top earners | | | |
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| Swans wage bill. on 09:07 - Jun 2 with 2121 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swans wage bill. on 08:15 - Jun 2 by jackjackjackjack |
Gomis is a striker who scores goals, and we've had plenty of strikers who haven't. He's far from a bad buy. |
Not saying he was a bad buy, I actually quite liked him. But he obviously has no future here, and with our wage bill looking like that, we definitely need some of our higher earners off the wage bill. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:22 - Jun 2 with 2082 views | exiledinenglandjack |
Unfortunately I see us continuing to spend high on wages just to attract players here. However, seeing players like gomis and ki who haven't performed too well for us and are undoubtedly on an absolute packet, being moved on this summer will be a start.
As said in other threads about transfers, we should be looking for young and talented players to replace these older players on higher wages this summer. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:34 - Jun 2 with 2048 views | dobjack2 |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:01 - Jun 2 by jack247 |
He is a terrible buy/signing. He is one of our top earners and we had to pack him off to France for a season because he isn't good enough for us. He just doesn't look as bad when you compare him to the likes of Borja, Eder, Tabanou and the backup strikers we have had over the last few years.
Not only do we have a comparatively big wage bill, him and Borja are two of the top earners |
I think that you are wide of the mark saying gomis is not good enough for us. More to the point is that he doesn't or didn't fit into the style and structure that we were playing. On the wages he is on he needed to be shipped out.
Another consequence of a disjointed player acquisition policy. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:55 - Jun 2 with 2001 views | jack247 |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:34 - Jun 2 by dobjack2 |
I think that you are wide of the mark saying gomis is not good enough for us. More to the point is that he doesn't or didn't fit into the style and structure that we were playing. On the wages he is on he needed to be shipped out.
Another consequence of a disjointed player acquisition policy. |
Ok. If we build the team around his strengths, like Monk did with him, Shelvey and Ayew, he will score goals. If you have someone playing through balls from deep that put him through (contrary to all the offsides I think he does make a lot of clever runs), then he will score goals. Give him support in the box, like Ayew did and he will also score from crosses.
As soon as teams started crowding out Shelvey and putting a centre back tighter behind Monteros full back, Gomis became a passenger.
He is good enough if we build the team around him, but he isn't flexible enough to adapt to the team. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:04 - Jun 2 with 1981 views | dobjack2 |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:55 - Jun 2 by jack247 |
Ok. If we build the team around his strengths, like Monk did with him, Shelvey and Ayew, he will score goals. If you have someone playing through balls from deep that put him through (contrary to all the offsides I think he does make a lot of clever runs), then he will score goals. Give him support in the box, like Ayew did and he will also score from crosses.
As soon as teams started crowding out Shelvey and putting a centre back tighter behind Monteros full back, Gomis became a passenger.
He is good enough if we build the team around him, but he isn't flexible enough to adapt to the team. |
Don't disagree but I feel that a large part of our problem was that monk and his coaches couldn't find a counter to the tactics other teams were using having identified weaknesses in our players games. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:10 - Jun 2 with 1963 views | jack247 |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:04 - Jun 2 by dobjack2 |
Don't disagree but I feel that a large part of our problem was that monk and his coaches couldn't find a counter to the tactics other teams were using having identified weaknesses in our players games. |
That's probably true. Monk was as tactically inflexible as they come in his time here.
What was more telling, was that Guidolin, who is a tactician and is more used to getting the best out of the players at his disposal more than dealing with superstars, hardly used him at all. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:11 - Jun 2 with 1962 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swans wage bill. on 09:55 - Jun 2 by jack247 |
Ok. If we build the team around his strengths, like Monk did with him, Shelvey and Ayew, he will score goals. If you have someone playing through balls from deep that put him through (contrary to all the offsides I think he does make a lot of clever runs), then he will score goals. Give him support in the box, like Ayew did and he will also score from crosses.
As soon as teams started crowding out Shelvey and putting a centre back tighter behind Monteros full back, Gomis became a passenger.
He is good enough if we build the team around him, but he isn't flexible enough to adapt to the team. |
Chucking him upfront on his own with little support and almost no service from the wings due to the narrow midfield diamond is not "building the team around" Gomis. There are few tactical setups less likely to get the best out of a forward like him.
Bony could play up top in a setup like that. Gomis is no Bony. Not working that out was one of Monk's bigger failings. | |
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| Swans wage bill. on 10:20 - Jun 2 with 1932 views | dameedna |
Stoke and Hughes have done well. Wba and Pullis to some extent.
Gomis had the worst goal celebration |  | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:34 - Jun 2 with 1895 views | Swan91 |
If we look at how the players played under PC... it suggested that we could have been in the top 8 if he had been here all season... would you still be saying its too high if we did finish top 8? maybe the wages are decent enough for a PL team (because of the extra money) and where we went wrong was the managers who came before?
Hopefully now that we have PC and can reduce the wage bill by selling Gomis, release Emnes and Tremmel... and maybe a couple more players going (Borja) its possible our Wage bill would look a bit better. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:50 - Jun 2 with 1862 views | jack247 |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:11 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
Chucking him upfront on his own with little support and almost no service from the wings due to the narrow midfield diamond is not "building the team around" Gomis. There are few tactical setups less likely to get the best out of a forward like him.
Bony could play up top in a setup like that. Gomis is no Bony. Not working that out was one of Monk's bigger failings. |
We must have been watching different games. The whole game plan seemed to be keeping a tight midfield and getting Shelvey on the ball to play a quarterback pass for Gomis to run onto or to pick out Montero and let him run at an exposed fullback. Montero would invariably beat his man and sometimes get the cross in, Ayew would drift into the box, often creating a 2 strikers vs 2 centrebacks situation. It was very successful for the first 4 or 5 game, until everyone worked out how to counter it.
That system wouldn't have suited Bony at all. It required Gomis to make clever runs off the ball and often outrun/muscle his marker in a sprint before getting a shot away. Bony was far too static for us to even attempt that. Plus the previous system him Bony perfectly. It's a myth that Monk didn't realise Gomis wasn't Bony. It's probably a big part of why he dismantled the way we played. [Post edited 2 Jun 2017 10:51]
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| Swans wage bill. on 12:00 - Jun 2 with 1751 views | E20Jack |
| Swans wage bill. on 06:51 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
But apparently we struggled last season because we didn't spend even more. |
And they were probably right, as well as the glaringly obvious disaster of a managerial appointment of course. Continuous investment in the side is absolutely imperative at this level.
Wages are freed by those that haven't made the cut or in a position you are looking to improve (Tabanou, Borja, Gomis, Emnes, Montero, Van der Hoorn). Most would be relatively easy to move on.
I think its clear that last season we went for the cheaper options (Borja aside) where as better players we were linked to would have no doubt helped our season early on, where most of the damage was done. |  |
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| Swans wage bill. on 12:14 - Jun 2 with 1720 views | Loyal |
| Swans wage bill. on 06:51 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
But apparently we struggled last season because we didn't spend even more. |
Poorly managed negotiations and flawed player contract awareness. |  |
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| Swans wage bill. on 12:16 - Jun 2 with 1714 views | sP7qupUf |
How much have we paid Dyer in the last couple of years? What have we had in return.He has still got 3 years left on his contract and is nowhere near good enough. Madness. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 15:37 - Jun 2 with 1556 views | swancity |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:50 - Jun 2 by jack247 |
We must have been watching different games. The whole game plan seemed to be keeping a tight midfield and getting Shelvey on the ball to play a quarterback pass for Gomis to run onto or to pick out Montero and let him run at an exposed fullback. Montero would invariably beat his man and sometimes get the cross in, Ayew would drift into the box, often creating a 2 strikers vs 2 centrebacks situation. It was very successful for the first 4 or 5 game, until everyone worked out how to counter it.
That system wouldn't have suited Bony at all. It required Gomis to make clever runs off the ball and often outrun/muscle his marker in a sprint before getting a shot away. Bony was far too static for us to even attempt that. Plus the previous system him Bony perfectly. It's a myth that Monk didn't realise Gomis wasn't Bony. It's probably a big part of why he dismantled the way we played. [Post edited 2 Jun 2017 10:51]
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| Swans wage bill. on 16:09 - Jun 2 with 1495 views | dobjack2 |
| Swans wage bill. on 10:10 - Jun 2 by jack247 |
That's probably true. Monk was as tactically inflexible as they come in his time here.
What was more telling, was that Guidolin, who is a tactician and is more used to getting the best out of the players at his disposal more than dealing with superstars, hardly used him at all. |
By that stage Shelvey had gone and there was nobody to provide the service that gomis needed. Based on who he had at his disposal Guidolin came to the conclusion that the team was better without Gomis and I don't think anyone could argue with that. | | | |
| Swans wage bill. on 16:11 - Jun 2 with 1485 views | icecoldjack |
| Swans wage bill. on 07:52 - Jun 2 by hammy |
Why don't we just swap our squad for Atletico Madrid's and give them all a little pay rise ;) |
Top post fair play !
Just goes to show how we over pay in this league. |  | | |
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