| Jordan Garrick - U23s 13:14 - Apr 5 with 9376 views | 34dfgdf54 |
What's the score with this lad? Just seen he's up for nomination in the U23 Premier League player of the month.
Not heard his name mentioned before, and can't see him on the official site either. Is he any good? |  | | |  |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 13:16 - Apr 5 with 4728 views | Loyal |
Ive watched him many times, decent league one player as it stands. |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 14:31 - Apr 5 with 4630 views | pencoedjack |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 13:16 - Apr 5 by Loyal |
Ive watched him many times, decent league one player as it stands. |
Pretty much the same as all our under 23 players Loyal ?
Seems like a nice place to pick up a decent wage with no pressure looking from the outside. |  | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 14:35 - Apr 5 with 4625 views | jasper_T |
Has done okay this season but has a long way to go before he can think of stepping up to senior football as his game is based on being bigger, stronger and faster than the kids he's up against. Won't often get that luxury even in League Two. |  | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:17 - Apr 5 with 4565 views | theloneranger |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 14:31 - Apr 5 by pencoedjack |
Pretty much the same as all our under 23 players Loyal ?
Seems like a nice place to pick up a decent wage with no pressure looking from the outside. |
Joe Rodon found out the difference between the U23's and league football when he came up against the "Beast" in Akinfenwa, when playing on loan for Cheltenham against Wycombe in Feb.
Akinfenwa gave him such a beating in the first half, Joe was taken off at half time.
It's something the up and coming youngsters used to get playing reserve team football years ago, playing against seasoned pro's, especially when the Swans had a team in the Welsh league. There was nowhere to hide 😂 |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:21 - Apr 5 with 4557 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I've said this many times, doing well in this league means absolutely nothing. Our best players should be out on loan, quite frankly anybody playing in the U23 side over the age of 20 shouldn't be with us anymore as they're never going to develop further playing against other teams leftovers every week.
How many millions have we paid to the likes of Kenji Gorre over the past 5 years? It's scandalous. |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:50 - Apr 5 with 4514 views | jasper_T |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:21 - Apr 5 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I've said this many times, doing well in this league means absolutely nothing. Our best players should be out on loan, quite frankly anybody playing in the U23 side over the age of 20 shouldn't be with us anymore as they're never going to develop further playing against other teams leftovers every week.
How many millions have we paid to the likes of Kenji Gorre over the past 5 years? It's scandalous. |
Not many millions at all. Kenji's an exception to the norm due to when he signed his last contract, and there's only really him and Matt Grimes on silly money who haven't contributed to the first team (like Fulton and McBurnie have). Just about every club in the league is as bad or worse.
It's a pittance in terms of the club's overall running costs. It's not like scrapping the academy would allow us to strengthen the first team, we'd just end up having to buy an extra squad player or two for depth (and they'd probably be on £40k a week these days). If we came out ahead it'd be more money in American pockets, who gives a sht?
The Falkirk signings have been a stupid waste (hundreds of thousands for players objectively worse than the local u18s we had coming through) but an extra year or so on a pro deal for players that are here already isn't worth moaning about. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 16:23 - Apr 5 with 4442 views | oldcob |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:21 - Apr 5 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I've said this many times, doing well in this league means absolutely nothing. Our best players should be out on loan, quite frankly anybody playing in the U23 side over the age of 20 shouldn't be with us anymore as they're never going to develop further playing against other teams leftovers every week.
How many millions have we paid to the likes of Kenji Gorre over the past 5 years? It's scandalous. |
Disagree Dwight. Doing well at this level tells you that they are a whole lot better than those who can't hack it at this level, and maybe there's a chance they'll make it. Though only one in ten will go on to be regular league players, and much fewer than that at premier level. The guys in waiting have to spend time at this level to develop, make it or not. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 17:00 - Apr 5 with 4399 views | Dr_Winston |
If they're not knocking on the door of the first team by the age of 20/21 then they need to be moved on. They may still make it elsewhere, but barring a rare few they're just taking up space. |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 17:44 - Apr 5 with 4340 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:21 - Apr 5 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I've said this many times, doing well in this league means absolutely nothing. Our best players should be out on loan, quite frankly anybody playing in the U23 side over the age of 20 shouldn't be with us anymore as they're never going to develop further playing against other teams leftovers every week.
How many millions have we paid to the likes of Kenji Gorre over the past 5 years? It's scandalous. |
Exactly right. |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 18:14 - Apr 5 with 4299 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 17:00 - Apr 5 by Dr_Winston |
If they're not knocking on the door of the first team by the age of 20/21 then they need to be moved on. They may still make it elsewhere, but barring a rare few they're just taking up space. |
I agree.
May seem a bit harsh but I think we are taking a bit too much pride in our u23s success, a lot of then seem to be in their early 20s, very unlikely they’ll make it as premier league players. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 18:29 - Apr 5 with 4270 views | jasper_T |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 18:14 - Apr 5 by 34dfgdf54 |
I agree.
May seem a bit harsh but I think we are taking a bit too much pride in our u23s success, a lot of then seem to be in their early 20s, very unlikely they’ll make it as premier league players. |
We don't spend enough on kids to have a team full of genuine prospects. If we want to give the ones we do have the best chance to develop it's good sense to keep on a few of these terrible kids that can't hack the Premier League as teenagers.
The core of the team this season has been 19 and 20 year olds. Apart from Kenji the older players are mostly off on loan or playing in the cups and getting international callups or
Courtney Baker-Richardson is 23? What the fck is going on there? We only signed him last summer. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 19:30 - Apr 5 with 4212 views | Jango |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:21 - Apr 5 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I've said this many times, doing well in this league means absolutely nothing. Our best players should be out on loan, quite frankly anybody playing in the U23 side over the age of 20 shouldn't be with us anymore as they're never going to develop further playing against other teams leftovers every week.
How many millions have we paid to the likes of Kenji Gorre over the past 5 years? It's scandalous. |
The amount of people I see on Twitter and Facebook pleasing for Gorre to be given a shot is alarming. Couldn’t get a game for Den Haag or Northampton ffs. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 19:41 - Apr 5 with 4201 views | Loyal |
Our u23 side would hold their own in league one for sure. | |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 19:46 - Apr 5 with 4191 views | jasper_T |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 19:30 - Apr 5 by Jango |
The amount of people I see on Twitter and Facebook pleasing for Gorre to be given a shot is alarming. Couldn’t get a game for Den Haag or Northampton ffs. |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 20:26 - Apr 5 with 4155 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 19:41 - Apr 5 by Loyal |
Our u23 side would hold their own in league one for sure. |
Unlikely to be true given that almost every loan move - bar Roberts at Yeovil 👠- has been somewhat less than successful at L1 level and below. | |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 22:02 - Apr 5 with 4063 views | jackeinstein |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 20:26 - Apr 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Unlikely to be true given that almost every loan move - bar Roberts at Yeovil 👠- has been somewhat less than successful at L1 level and below. |
Quite subjective that one Kilkenny depending on the style of football the managers want to play. Our u23s have comfortably beaten 3 league 2 teams this year in the checkatrade.
Would of thought we are trying to develop technically superior footballers, our loan system for younger pros has been poor with the exception of Newport and Yeovil before this January’s transfer window being the two go to teams.
The club need to work more on there contacts to put players in appropriate clubs to develop whether that is at home or abroad.
Many of the u23s will make a career if released by the Swans by putting on a couple of stone to compete in the lower leagues
And in terms of players being released at 20 most debuts in the premier league is around the 23 mark hence the reason for increasing the age for academy football. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 00:04 - Apr 6 with 3971 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 22:02 - Apr 5 by jackeinstein |
Quite subjective that one Kilkenny depending on the style of football the managers want to play. Our u23s have comfortably beaten 3 league 2 teams this year in the checkatrade.
Would of thought we are trying to develop technically superior footballers, our loan system for younger pros has been poor with the exception of Newport and Yeovil before this January’s transfer window being the two go to teams.
The club need to work more on there contacts to put players in appropriate clubs to develop whether that is at home or abroad.
Many of the u23s will make a career if released by the Swans by putting on a couple of stone to compete in the lower leagues
And in terms of players being released at 20 most debuts in the premier league is around the 23 mark hence the reason for increasing the age for academy football. |
Fair post that, thanks for the info.
I want to see our Academy produce Swansea based players for our Swansea first team.
Thats the point of it all.
Not signing players at 20/21 that other clubs have produced.
Its a long time since Ben. | |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 00:51 - Apr 6 with 3946 views | Loyal |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 20:26 - Apr 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Unlikely to be true given that almost every loan move - bar Roberts at Yeovil 👠- has been somewhat less than successful at L1 level and below. |
Thats a one off player away from home at facilities far below what we have - not a squad under guidance of the current reserve team management. A squad regardless of how they have been assembled which matches and beats more often than not the reserve sides of clubs recognised as the best in Europe.
Plus the assembled silverware is testament to this.
This side has already taken on and beaten numerous first team sides from leagues one and two, I stand by it they would hold their own in league one.
The Celtic 6-0 result was magnificent as was the latest win over Man Utd. | |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 09:20 - Apr 6 with 3764 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 18:14 - Apr 5 by 34dfgdf54 |
I agree.
May seem a bit harsh but I think we are taking a bit too much pride in our u23s success, a lot of then seem to be in their early 20s, very unlikely they’ll make it as premier league players. |
U23 football is about developing one or two first teamers every couple of years. It's not about winning games and being the best team. |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 09:54 - Apr 6 with 3733 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 09:20 - Apr 6 by waynekerr55 |
U23 football is about developing one or two first teamers every couple of years. It's not about winning games and being the best team. |
That then applies to all the teams operating in the 2 Premier Leagues.
It makes you wonder why any of them bother.
Because as soon as a really talented player comes along they are in the 1st team squad anyway and don't play for the U23s. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 11:09 - Apr 6 with 3675 views | jasper_T |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 00:04 - Apr 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Fair post that, thanks for the info.
I want to see our Academy produce Swansea based players for our Swansea first team.
Thats the point of it all.
Not signing players at 20/21 that other clubs have produced.
Its a long time since Ben. |
For me the point of it is to develop local footballers and give them an avenue into professional sport, and produce players for the Swansea first team. Ideally both at the same time, but the former is as worthwhile as the latter imo.
For the club the aim is probably just to try to turn a profit. A few small sales here and there, and win the lottery every few years like with Ben and Joey. I don't really care about that part of it these days. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 11:19 - Apr 6 with 3662 views | Dippy |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:50 - Apr 5 by jasper_T |
Not many millions at all. Kenji's an exception to the norm due to when he signed his last contract, and there's only really him and Matt Grimes on silly money who haven't contributed to the first team (like Fulton and McBurnie have). Just about every club in the league is as bad or worse.
It's a pittance in terms of the club's overall running costs. It's not like scrapping the academy would allow us to strengthen the first team, we'd just end up having to buy an extra squad player or two for depth (and they'd probably be on £40k a week these days). If we came out ahead it'd be more money in American pockets, who gives a sht?
The Falkirk signings have been a stupid waste (hundreds of thousands for players objectively worse than the local u18s we had coming through) but an extra year or so on a pro deal for players that are here already isn't worth moaning about. |
This is not the point.. many have left the Swans, been well paid.. yet struggle to make a mark in the WPL or Senior football.
Years and years in an academy who struggle against joe bloggs the 9-5 five day roofer on Saturday and Sunday. | |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 11:37 - Apr 6 with 3645 views | jasper_T |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 11:19 - Apr 6 by Dippy |
This is not the point.. many have left the Swans, been well paid.. yet struggle to make a mark in the WPL or Senior football.
Years and years in an academy who struggle against joe bloggs the 9-5 five day roofer on Saturday and Sunday. |
Youth development is always a gamble. Not all of them are going to come good, be it in technical ability, athleticism or mentality. Growing kids into adults is rarely straightforward.
There's a lot of resentment about how much the professional youth players are believed to be earning but the ones who go on to struggle against Joe Bloggs (who is a genuine talent imo, could've been a real player if he'd stayed off the pop) get maybe 2 or 3 years on contract before being kicked out into the real world to start from scratch.
Long term it's not worth the jealousy, or the concern about the club's precious finances. It's a drop in the bucket in the modern game. We can afford to give players a chance to progress (maybe not when we're signing them from non-league at 22, though). | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 11:45 - Apr 6 with 3634 views | Dippy |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 11:37 - Apr 6 by jasper_T |
Youth development is always a gamble. Not all of them are going to come good, be it in technical ability, athleticism or mentality. Growing kids into adults is rarely straightforward.
There's a lot of resentment about how much the professional youth players are believed to be earning but the ones who go on to struggle against Joe Bloggs (who is a genuine talent imo, could've been a real player if he'd stayed off the pop) get maybe 2 or 3 years on contract before being kicked out into the real world to start from scratch.
Long term it's not worth the jealousy, or the concern about the club's precious finances. It's a drop in the bucket in the modern game. We can afford to give players a chance to progress (maybe not when we're signing them from non-league at 22, though). |
Money?
Jealousy?
They've had years of supposedly Premier League coaching.. yet Joe roofer is sweeping them aside.
I'm questioning the methodology and coaches if anything else. | |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 13:36 - Apr 6 with 3591 views | jasper_T |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 11:45 - Apr 6 by Dippy |
Money?
Jealousy?
They've had years of supposedly Premier League coaching.. yet Joe roofer is sweeping them aside.
I'm questioning the methodology and coaches if anything else. |
Who are the players you're thinking of with years of Premier League coaching that are getting swept aside by Joe Roofer? | | | |
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