| Out in three years on 15:20 - Jan 18 with 2140 views | sainthelens |
Heart breaking story. Can only hope the fckers come a cropper whilst inside. |  | |  |
| Out in three years on 16:30 - Jan 18 with 2017 views | jack2jack |
Beggers belief Dar, poor little girl didn't stand a chance in life. [Post edited 18 Jan 2019 16:31]
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| Out in three years on 16:44 - Jan 18 with 1973 views | Loyal |
Not sure where the 3 years comes from, there's no way based on a straight 76 months ( 6 years, 4 months ) they will only serve 36, unless they have been on remand which seeing them walking into court in this story they clearly haven't been. The sentence is above 4 years Darran and has aggravating circumstances ( death and neglect ) so they won't be suitable for a halfway release. Best they can hope for is 54 days a year off for good behaviour.
They will definitely serve in excess of five years. Not enough granted, but ... |  |
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| Out in three years on 11:57 - Jan 26 with 1581 views | STID2017 |
Terrible story.
I can't understand why authorities didn't intervene sooner and taken all their children into care.
If they had this little girl may still be alive ?
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| Out in three years on 17:44 - Jan 28 with 1110 views | oldcob |
Stick them in a cell infested with fleas and lice and don't feed them. An eye for an eye........ |  | | |
| Out in three years on 20:14 - Jan 28 with 1047 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Out in three years on 16:44 - Jan 18 by Loyal |
Not sure where the 3 years comes from, there's no way based on a straight 76 months ( 6 years, 4 months ) they will only serve 36, unless they have been on remand which seeing them walking into court in this story they clearly haven't been. The sentence is above 4 years Darran and has aggravating circumstances ( death and neglect ) so they won't be suitable for a halfway release. Best they can hope for is 54 days a year off for good behaviour.
They will definitely serve in excess of five years. Not enough granted, but ... |
They’ve not got an extended sentence, so they can apply for parole at half way. If they’re refused, they’ll stay in for another year before they can apply again.
You are right, it’s not automatic at half way. Will depend on what they’ve done since being inside.
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| Out in three years on 20:15 - Jan 28 with 1040 views | Lohengrin |
| Out in three years on 20:14 - Jan 28 by Sirjohnalot |
They’ve not got an extended sentence, so they can apply for parole at half way. If they’re refused, they’ll stay in for another year before they can apply again.
You are right, it’s not automatic at half way. Will depend on what they’ve done since being inside.
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What’s your opinion on the proposal to extend voting rights to serving prisoners, John? |  |
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| Out in three years on 20:28 - Jan 28 with 1020 views | jackrabbit |
I’m sure Social Services will admit “lessons must be learned”.
They always do. And then they apparently learn nothing. Until the next time. |  | | |
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| Out in three years on 20:33 - Jan 28 with 990 views | Lohengrin |
| Out in three years on 20:28 - Jan 28 by jackrabbit |
I’m sure Social Services will admit “lessons must be learned”.
They always do. And then they apparently learn nothing. Until the next time. |
Intervention would have been ‘homophobic’ in this instance, ‘racist’ in others. A litany of abject failure and the abdication of duty.
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| Out in three years on 20:48 - Jan 28 with 947 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Out in three years on 20:15 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
What’s your opinion on the proposal to extend voting rights to serving prisoners, John? |
Legally or personal ?
Legally....it’s a minefield, could argue that dependant on your offence, how long left to serve, good way to rehab people, to bring them back into society. If you are in an open prison on day/work release for some white collar offence, tax fraud or sormthing, what harm is it ? Why would people object ?
I’ve seen conditions in prisons, they are grim, not like people imagine. Lots are rat infested, stinking places, full of horrendous bullying, self harm and drugs. It’s not a holiday camp that they Daily Mail would have people believe. Most people who say ‘it’s easy’ wouldn’t last five minutes. Locked up 23 hours a day, jeez, I’d not survive. | | | |
| Out in three years on 20:56 - Jan 28 with 925 views | Lohengrin |
| Out in three years on 20:48 - Jan 28 by Sirjohnalot |
Legally or personal ?
Legally....it’s a minefield, could argue that dependant on your offence, how long left to serve, good way to rehab people, to bring them back into society. If you are in an open prison on day/work release for some white collar offence, tax fraud or sormthing, what harm is it ? Why would people object ?
I’ve seen conditions in prisons, they are grim, not like people imagine. Lots are rat infested, stinking places, full of horrendous bullying, self harm and drugs. It’s not a holiday camp that they Daily Mail would have people believe. Most people who say ‘it’s easy’ wouldn’t last five minutes. Locked up 23 hours a day, jeez, I’d not survive. |
The objection is easy to discern. Imprisonment is primarily a punitive measure for misdeeds committed, I’m generalising in broad sweep there, John. Gaol necessarily involves the suspension of civil liberties which would include the withdrawal of voting rights for the duration of the sentence. I think the general public would be immovable on that principle. | |
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| Out in three years on 21:01 - Jan 28 with 906 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Out in three years on 20:56 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
The objection is easy to discern. Imprisonment is primarily a punitive measure for misdeeds committed, I’m generalising in broad sweep there, John. Gaol necessarily involves the suspension of civil liberties which would include the withdrawal of voting rights for the duration of the sentence. I think the general public would be immovable on that principle. |
And personally speaking...I completely agree | | | |
| Out in three years on 21:05 - Jan 28 with 896 views | Lohengrin |
| Out in three years on 21:01 - Jan 28 by Sirjohnalot |
And personally speaking...I completely agree |
Most would. | |
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