| Dany Cotton on 18:52 - Oct 30 with 1048 views | raynor94 |
Untenable |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 19:04 - Oct 30 with 1037 views | dickythorpe |
| Dany Cotton on 18:52 - Oct 30 by raynor94 |
Untenable |
Interesting, what brings you to that decision? |  | | |
| Dany Cotton on 19:05 - Oct 30 with 1032 views | theloneranger |
Lions led by donkeys !! |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 19:22 - Oct 30 with 1003 views | raynor94 |
| Dany Cotton on 19:04 - Oct 30 by dickythorpe |
Interesting, what brings you to that decision? |
Well after the report said some of the 72 could well have been saved, if they had abandoned the stay put policy far earlier. Heads have to roll at the top | |
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| Dany Cotton on 19:33 - Oct 30 with 986 views | Neath_Jack |
Stay. |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 19:57 - Oct 30 with 958 views | dickythorpe |
| Dany Cotton on 19:22 - Oct 30 by raynor94 |
Well after the report said some of the 72 could well have been saved, if they had abandoned the stay put policy far earlier. Heads have to roll at the top |
Thank you for your answer. I'm just trying to make sense of it all.
No agenda. | | | |
| Dany Cotton on 19:58 - Oct 30 with 954 views | NotLoyal |
| Dany Cotton on 19:57 - Oct 30 by dickythorpe |
Thank you for your answer. I'm just trying to make sense of it all.
No agenda. |
Whoever agreed that policy should maybe answer a few questions? |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 20:34 - Oct 30 with 909 views | waynekerr55 |
Stay and fight the cheeky fùckers.
Did the LFB:
Put flammable cladding on the building?
Sign off the cladding works? |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 21:34 - Oct 30 with 858 views | majorraglan |
The is a terrible tragedy, 72 innocent people lost their lives, may they RIP.
There were lots of accusations and concerns raised in some quarters about the public enquiry before it started. I don’t ever recall a fire of this nature taking place in any part of the UK or world, so it could have been very much a case of new territory for the LFB. Long standing advice which you’d expect to keep people safe is rendered ineffective due to the fact the fire was on the outside, do the LFB have the kit to fight fires of that scale at the height? That building was covered in flammable material and was a death trap. If it happened in Swansea (and there are still hundreds of buildings covered in this stuff) would the local brigade have the kit to deal with a fire at the big tower in the Marina?
It’s easy to point the finger with hind sight, but I am pretty sure the fire fighters on the ground would have done their very best to save lives. In terms of Dany Cotton, don’t know a great deal about her and she may be a very good Chief, but I don’t think her comments about the Shuttle and Shard and about not changing things have helped. If she felt their response on the night was having regard to all the facts that were known at the time appropriate then say so but there could still be lessons to be learned and she should be big enough to acknowledge that. It may though be a case of pushing back if she feels the LBF have been hung out to dry.
There is going to be a second enquiry in the New Year which I understand will focus on the management of the block etc by Westminster City Council and their housing subsidiaries, that may prove to be politically explosive.
She could have done better, but I am not convinced she should be sacked. I would like to see her play a straight bat and tell it as it is as opposed to having some ambitious yes man who’s too afraid to speak the truth take over. |  | | |
| Dany Cotton on 21:39 - Oct 30 with 849 views | Fireboy2 |
| Dany Cotton on 19:58 - Oct 30 by NotLoyal |
Whoever agreed that policy should maybe answer a few questions? |
Its a policy that has served high rise fires for so long, the cladding was the main problem as we all know, what p!sses me off is they are dragging the fire service through the coals when surely the cladding report should have been done first.
Yes the fire service made a mistake by not abandoning the stay put policy earlier but this investigation smacks of passing the buck. |  | | |
| Dany Cotton on 21:58 - Oct 30 with 817 views | Highjack |
| Dany Cotton on 21:39 - Oct 30 by Fireboy2 |
Its a policy that has served high rise fires for so long, the cladding was the main problem as we all know, what p!sses me off is they are dragging the fire service through the coals when surely the cladding report should have been done first.
Yes the fire service made a mistake by not abandoning the stay put policy earlier but this investigation smacks of passing the buck. |
It’s difficult to just abandon policy and established procedures. If they hadn’t followed the policies that had been put in place and people died then they’d be getting pelters for breaking policy. If the policy was inadequate but they followed it to the letter it is clearly the policy makers fault. |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 07:19 - Oct 31 with 733 views | Fireboy2 |
| Dany Cotton on 21:58 - Oct 30 by Highjack |
It’s difficult to just abandon policy and established procedures. If they hadn’t followed the policies that had been put in place and people died then they’d be getting pelters for breaking policy. If the policy was inadequate but they followed it to the letter it is clearly the policy makers fault. |
I am a firefighter HJ, so i have a good idea on how it works, the LFB go to quite a few high rise fires that dont get reported because there were no deaths or casualties and thats because the cladding on most high rises are fire retardant.
I have had loads of conversations with fellow firefighters and especially bosses and we think that the stay put policy should have been abandoned a long time before it did but in hindsight we would do alot of things different and i totally feel for the LFB especially the firefighters who imo went over and above the call of duty.
As ive said previously i cannot believe that the investigation has started with the spotlight being put on the LFB when surely the investigation should start with the accelerant, this doesnt surprise me one bit as its how the government rolls. | | | |
| Dany Cotton on 07:53 - Oct 31 with 716 views | swancity |
Stay. Definately.
The scale of this fire was unprecedented. Then factor in the building construction. They acted in a professional, brave and quick manner, taking all factors into consideration. Certainly the LFB would not have faced anything like this previously as no training can prepare you for a fire of this magnitude.
I hope she stats. Leave her alone. She made one unfortunate comment about " not doing anything differently " and has apologised for that. She's retiring in six months anyway but is making sure that they change therir evacuation policy and process.
An awful tragedy. For the firefighters too. | |
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| Dany Cotton on 08:24 - Oct 31 with 686 views | epaul |
Utter disgrace firefighters have been blamed for Grenfell, lets start with, that c*nt Johnson, 13 stations closed, 18 engines taken away and 520 jobs lost in his tenure as Mayor........ |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 08:43 - Oct 31 with 669 views | Fireboy2 |
| Dany Cotton on 08:24 - Oct 31 by epaul |
Utter disgrace firefighters have been blamed for Grenfell, lets start with, that c*nt Johnson, 13 stations closed, 18 engines taken away and 520 jobs lost in his tenure as Mayor........ |
Thats right Paul and it isnt just london where the cuts have occurred.
Ita ok though Boris is going to put 20k bobbies on the streets.
Oh wait a minute, thats to replace more than 20k that will be leaving  | | | |
| Dany Cotton on 09:33 - Oct 31 with 612 views | JackSomething |
I don't pretend to be an expert in this area by any measure, but my initial reaction is that Cotton and the LFB in general are convenient scapegoats and survivors are understandably falling for it as they want someone to blame for the tragic loss of their loved ones.
As someone else pointed out, how is this being investigated before the local authority and the construction of the building? Being cynical, I guess the LFB have less friends in high places than the other parties... |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 09:42 - Oct 31 with 606 views | Uxbridge |
Doesn't the phase 1 report conclude that the primary causes of the disaster were due to the management of the building - i.e. cladding, lack of fire doors, no compartmentalisation of the building etc. Any guidance from the fire service has to rely on standards being maintained doesn't it, especially of a council property which I believe this was?
Having read the FSB's response, they make the salient point that they simply didn't have the resources to action some of the things that have been talked about, such as an evacuation. That's the reason why the Telegraph have gone with this angle, and we all know why.
As ever with such things, there are lessons to be learned on all sides. For the FSB to be singled out or be the ones carrying the can on this is clearly utterly wrong though. They were not the primary cause and their responses were hamstrung by other Govt organisations. Not to say they did everything right though, and there will be consequences of that, but this focus is plain wrong. |  |
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| Dany Cotton on 19:10 - Oct 31 with 472 views | majorraglan |
| Dany Cotton on 08:24 - Oct 31 by epaul |
Utter disgrace firefighters have been blamed for Grenfell, lets start with, that c*nt Johnson, 13 stations closed, 18 engines taken away and 520 jobs lost in his tenure as Mayor........ |
The Police Federation had a saying, “Cuts have consequences” and when it comes to things like the Fire Service, the consequences could be people losing their lives.
Some serious questions need to be answered about how this dangerous product ended up on the outside of the flats with devastating consequences, that wasn’t an LFB issue. | | | |
| Dany Cotton on 19:24 - Oct 31 with 462 views | jackharris |
No way can they fault the firefighters. Whoever sanctioned that flammable cladding is to blame. Yes in hindsight they would now evacuate sooner. What is criminal is if any of that flammable cladding is still on any tower blocks? |  |
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