| Cross Keys pub 18:31 - Jul 24 with 1388 views | britferry |
Walked down the lane there lunchtime, was a queue to get in and the rear was packed. I won't be drinking in any beer garden til the pubs open properly but the end is in sight. |  |
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| Cross Keys pub on 18:41 - Jul 24 with 1367 views | controversial_jack |
I won't be going to any pubs for a while, it's asking for trouble. | | | |
| Cross Keys pub on 19:10 - Jul 24 with 1331 views | raynor94 |
Pleasant afternoon outside the Wig and the Westbourne this afternoon, but to go another 10 days without being allowed inside is economic madness. |  |
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| Cross Keys pub on 19:51 - Jul 24 with 1307 views | Neath_Jack |
Keep em shut.
Can have a tattoo, have an haircut, go swimming, but can't go to the gym? |  |
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| Cross Keys pub on 20:24 - Jul 24 with 1282 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Cross Keys pub on 19:51 - Jul 24 by Neath_Jack |
Keep em shut.
Can have a tattoo, have an haircut, go swimming, but can't go to the gym? |
Yeah but Drakeford. |  |
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| Cross Keys pub on 20:42 - Jul 24 with 1262 views | britferry |
| Cross Keys pub on 19:51 - Jul 24 by Neath_Jack |
Keep em shut.
Can have a tattoo, have an haircut, go swimming, but can't go to the gym? |
cant go to an indoor pool yet | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 09:16 - Jul 26 with 1029 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Cross Keys pub on 18:41 - Jul 24 by controversial_jack |
I won't be going to any pubs for a while, it's asking for trouble. |
It is in Swansea lol |  |
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| Cross Keys pub on 14:42 - Jul 26 with 970 views | Catullus |
| Cross Keys pub on 19:10 - Jul 24 by raynor94 |
Pleasant afternoon outside the Wig and the Westbourne this afternoon, but to go another 10 days without being allowed inside is economic madness. |
We are faced with the choice, do we protect peoples lives or the economy. It seem to me we can't do both. If we return to near normality the virus will pick up again as it has in other places. Spain is introducing lockdowns again, the USA is a basket case.
Bojo has admitted things could have been done differently, hard to deny that though, but if we open up too much too soon it's asking for trouble.
I think caution is still important. | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 16:19 - Jul 26 with 948 views | DJack |
| Cross Keys pub on 14:42 - Jul 26 by Catullus |
We are faced with the choice, do we protect peoples lives or the economy. It seem to me we can't do both. If we return to near normality the virus will pick up again as it has in other places. Spain is introducing lockdowns again, the USA is a basket case.
Bojo has admitted things could have been done differently, hard to deny that though, but if we open up too much too soon it's asking for trouble.
I think caution is still important. |
The issue is that too many people seem to think that they can protect lives and the economy whilst we are without a vaccine.
Germs don't give a tuppence about our rules or economy they just do what they do with ruthless efficiency and an exponential growth when past a certain threshold. |  |
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| Cross Keys pub on 17:28 - Jul 26 with 916 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Cross Keys pub on 16:19 - Jul 26 by DJack |
The issue is that too many people seem to think that they can protect lives and the economy whilst we are without a vaccine.
Germs don't give a tuppence about our rules or economy they just do what they do with ruthless efficiency and an exponential growth when past a certain threshold. |
The realism is, deaths have dropped considerably... if you're not sure stay in and let the rest of us get on with it. |  | | |
| Cross Keys pub on 18:43 - Jul 26 with 856 views | Catullus |
| Cross Keys pub on 17:28 - Jul 26 by Jackinexile1 |
The realism is, deaths have dropped considerably... if you're not sure stay in and let the rest of us get on with it. |
Have you lost anybody to Covid or know anyone who had it? | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 19:04 - Jul 26 with 848 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Cross Keys pub on 18:43 - Jul 26 by Catullus |
Have you lost anybody to Covid or know anyone who had it? |
Nope, worked all the way through it too.
I understand what your saying though, sorry. | | | |
| Cross Keys pub on 19:32 - Jul 26 with 830 views | LeonWasGod |
| Cross Keys pub on 19:51 - Jul 24 by Neath_Jack |
Keep em shut.
Can have a tattoo, have an haircut, go swimming, but can't go to the gym? |
Gyms are one of the highest risk areas though aren’t they. So I can understand that. |  | | |
| Cross Keys pub on 10:53 - Jul 27 with 712 views | Catullus |
| Cross Keys pub on 19:04 - Jul 26 by Jackinexile1 |
Nope, worked all the way through it too.
I understand what your saying though, sorry. |
It does change your thinking when you lose people. The reality is that deaths will start to rise again as the infection spreads again. The medics are really worried that the virus would hit even harder in the winter months because more people are likely to be ill with other problems. If you already had the flu say, and you also caught covid your chances of survival would drop significantly.
It's a large dose of reality, if you look at todays news. Over 1,000,000 new cases worldwide in just 4 days, Vietnam (which had been infection free) has reported 4 cases in DaNang which is packed with an estimated 80,000 tourists who they are trying to evacuate, the worry is the infection will spread as the 4 cases don't seem connected.
This isn't over by a long way. I can understand your point of view, I want to get out and about more. I want to do things and I really want to book a holiday, somewhere nice and sunny, but I'm sticking with caution for now. | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 11:25 - Jul 27 with 703 views | exhmrc1 |
| Cross Keys pub on 10:53 - Jul 27 by Catullus |
It does change your thinking when you lose people. The reality is that deaths will start to rise again as the infection spreads again. The medics are really worried that the virus would hit even harder in the winter months because more people are likely to be ill with other problems. If you already had the flu say, and you also caught covid your chances of survival would drop significantly.
It's a large dose of reality, if you look at todays news. Over 1,000,000 new cases worldwide in just 4 days, Vietnam (which had been infection free) has reported 4 cases in DaNang which is packed with an estimated 80,000 tourists who they are trying to evacuate, the worry is the infection will spread as the 4 cases don't seem connected.
This isn't over by a long way. I can understand your point of view, I want to get out and about more. I want to do things and I really want to book a holiday, somewhere nice and sunny, but I'm sticking with caution for now. |
I agree with you caution is really important but the evidence in Wales is that the rate has been dropping for a while. There is a specific problem around Wrexham including Flintshire and North Powys. The new cases are largely in those areas and some form of intervention needs to be taken.
The BBC has released figures yesterday showing thr R rate for the week to 22 June has Wales as the lowest area in the UK 0.6 to 0.8 although that might rise this week as lighthouse labs relate their out of date testing figures.
The figures for last week show the following new cases last week
Swansea 6, Neath Port Talbot 9, Carmarthenshire 3, Pembrokeshire 4, Ceredigion 2, Bridgend 5, Rhondda Cynon Taff 7, Merthyr Tydfil 4, Vale of Glamorgan 8, Cardiff 12, Newport 2, Monmouthshire 4, Torfaen 4, Blaenau Gwent 6, Caerphilly 4,Gwynedd 1, Angelsey 3 and Conwy 5
The 4 areas with larger figures are Wrexham and 3 counties bordering it Wrexham 48 Flintshire 23 Powys 20 and Denbighshire 9. . These are probably due to the ongoing problems at Rowan Foods in Wrexham.
The number of deaths due to coronavirus is thankfully coming down and there were only 2 last week and hopefully less in the future.
Yesterday there were 3 new cases recorded in South Wales. 2 in Swansea and 1 in Cardiff. The Swansea figures were from 21 or 22 July and were recorded yesterday due to late recording of Pillar 2 cases. We are very close to removing the virus but it may come back spread with people coming from England or abroad. | | | |
| Cross Keys pub on 11:33 - Jul 27 with 699 views | onehunglow |
This virus is impossible to predict and it's why we are so in danger.
Those taking this anything less than deadly serious could be killing themselves and others. | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 11:35 - Jul 27 with 696 views | Catullus |
| Cross Keys pub on 11:25 - Jul 27 by exhmrc1 |
I agree with you caution is really important but the evidence in Wales is that the rate has been dropping for a while. There is a specific problem around Wrexham including Flintshire and North Powys. The new cases are largely in those areas and some form of intervention needs to be taken.
The BBC has released figures yesterday showing thr R rate for the week to 22 June has Wales as the lowest area in the UK 0.6 to 0.8 although that might rise this week as lighthouse labs relate their out of date testing figures.
The figures for last week show the following new cases last week
Swansea 6, Neath Port Talbot 9, Carmarthenshire 3, Pembrokeshire 4, Ceredigion 2, Bridgend 5, Rhondda Cynon Taff 7, Merthyr Tydfil 4, Vale of Glamorgan 8, Cardiff 12, Newport 2, Monmouthshire 4, Torfaen 4, Blaenau Gwent 6, Caerphilly 4,Gwynedd 1, Angelsey 3 and Conwy 5
The 4 areas with larger figures are Wrexham and 3 counties bordering it Wrexham 48 Flintshire 23 Powys 20 and Denbighshire 9. . These are probably due to the ongoing problems at Rowan Foods in Wrexham.
The number of deaths due to coronavirus is thankfully coming down and there were only 2 last week and hopefully less in the future.
Yesterday there were 3 new cases recorded in South Wales. 2 in Swansea and 1 in Cardiff. The Swansea figures were from 21 or 22 July and were recorded yesterday due to late recording of Pillar 2 cases. We are very close to removing the virus but it may come back spread with people coming from England or abroad. |
The point is that the rates had dropped in every country that relaxed it's lockdown and as the relaxed the rules the rate swent back up. The USA has had 1000 deaths a day, Vietnam with new cases where they had been Covid free, Spain talkinga bout lockdown again and even in Germany,
https://berlinspectator.com/2020/07/27/germany-growing-fears-of-second-corona-wa
If we relax too soon, if we take our eye off the ball we ould easily have (and probably will haveanyway) a second wave. The very real worry is that a second wave in the winter could be worse than the first,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53392148
So caution is still needed. Look at what Trumps done in the USA, he opened up the economy too quickly and they have been having 1000 deaths per day, 68000 new cases,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-deaths-us-covid-tr | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 11:40 - Jul 27 with 694 views | onehunglow |
What the world ,as a whole, needs to focus on is a vacine that works.That included mother Russia | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 11:48 - Jul 27 with 688 views | exhmrc1 |
We have been releasing lockdown and the figures havent been rising. It is 5 weeks since we opened shops with no increase. 2 weeks since opening hairdressers no increase. The big issue is whether opening pubs will have an effect but we wont know that until later this week. We then have the big risks to come. Opening pubs, cafes and restaurants indoors a week today will be the major test as will opening gyms where people breath heavier and close face to face contact like make up in beauty salons and scrums, rucks and mauls in rugby.
The biggest risk is likely to be when students all over the world come in September and people returning from overseas holidays or possibly people travelling here for heavily infected areas in England. | | | |
| Cross Keys pub on 11:54 - Jul 27 with 683 views | onehunglow |
That is very accurate and as I believe to be the case. | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 11:55 - Jul 27 with 683 views | Catullus |
| Cross Keys pub on 11:48 - Jul 27 by exhmrc1 |
We have been releasing lockdown and the figures havent been rising. It is 5 weeks since we opened shops with no increase. 2 weeks since opening hairdressers no increase. The big issue is whether opening pubs will have an effect but we wont know that until later this week. We then have the big risks to come. Opening pubs, cafes and restaurants indoors a week today will be the major test as will opening gyms where people breath heavier and close face to face contact like make up in beauty salons and scrums, rucks and mauls in rugby.
The biggest risk is likely to be when students all over the world come in September and people returning from overseas holidays or possibly people travelling here for heavily infected areas in England. |
The risk isn't purely internal though. It's peoe coming here from other countries, including England. The rates didn't rise immediately in other countries either.
Then, we haven't relaxed as much as England, or other countries, just because it hasn't happened yet doen't mean it won't if we aren't careful.
Remember the first time around, they suspected that there were very many more unknown cases, people who were infected AND infectious but who were asymptomatic. We just don't know enough yet to say it's all ok.
Better to keep the stable door closed for a bit longer yet than to find Red Rum backing out towards you! | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 12:07 - Jul 27 with 673 views | onehunglow |
Living so close to Wales,Im in a good place to comment on this.
We went to to Llyn Brenig last week and it was quite busy and poke to a local Welsh lady (she'd lost her dog) and she was bemoaning the loss of revenue from English tourists,especially day trippers from Wirral/Merseyside/Gt Manchester .The loss of jobs and livelihood is palpable and will be more dramatic with a second wave. North Wales might never recover.
On the other hand ,we have to somehow top this virus spreading as it does.
How to do it ? Nobody knows.
Personally,I'd have gone down the South Africa route with bars closed and sale of alcohol stopped ,a curfew and a complete shutdown ,enforced.
We have a PM who believes he can trust the public to be sensible.,which of course is typical supine shxt from one who has zero idea as to what "ordinary" people are about.
Example-take LfC. Fans warned by Dalgish,Klopp,the Lord Mayor and Union Leaders not to gather.They do. Same with Leeds .Same with the BLM demoes,same with the tvvats in West Midlands sink estates where they "celebrate" lockdown.
Mankind is eating itself | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 12:10 - Jul 27 with 673 views | exhmrc1 |
| Cross Keys pub on 11:55 - Jul 27 by Catullus |
The risk isn't purely internal though. It's peoe coming here from other countries, including England. The rates didn't rise immediately in other countries either.
Then, we haven't relaxed as much as England, or other countries, just because it hasn't happened yet doen't mean it won't if we aren't careful.
Remember the first time around, they suspected that there were very many more unknown cases, people who were infected AND infectious but who were asymptomatic. We just don't know enough yet to say it's all ok.
Better to keep the stable door closed for a bit longer yet than to find Red Rum backing out towards you! |
I agree with you as I said in my last paragraph but I do think Drakeford's careful approach has proven the right way but there are bigger hurdles yet to come especially when students return. | | | |
| Cross Keys pub on 12:24 - Jul 27 with 660 views | Catullus |
| Cross Keys pub on 12:07 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
Living so close to Wales,Im in a good place to comment on this.
We went to to Llyn Brenig last week and it was quite busy and poke to a local Welsh lady (she'd lost her dog) and she was bemoaning the loss of revenue from English tourists,especially day trippers from Wirral/Merseyside/Gt Manchester .The loss of jobs and livelihood is palpable and will be more dramatic with a second wave. North Wales might never recover.
On the other hand ,we have to somehow top this virus spreading as it does.
How to do it ? Nobody knows.
Personally,I'd have gone down the South Africa route with bars closed and sale of alcohol stopped ,a curfew and a complete shutdown ,enforced.
We have a PM who believes he can trust the public to be sensible.,which of course is typical supine shxt from one who has zero idea as to what "ordinary" people are about.
Example-take LfC. Fans warned by Dalgish,Klopp,the Lord Mayor and Union Leaders not to gather.They do. Same with Leeds .Same with the BLM demoes,same with the tvvats in West Midlands sink estates where they "celebrate" lockdown.
Mankind is eating itself |
I posted (somewhere) a kind of conspiracy theory, what if mother nature has decided that humankind has become too much of a blight and needed culling? I didn't put it quite like that but that's the basis of it.
This virus has hit the old and already sick hardest, what if it mutates now into something that attacks the younger people?
I know it sounds barmy but all through history nature has intervened in variius ways. Is it by pure chance or is nature far more intelligent AND hands on than we understand? We already know how incredible and brillianr nature is but what if it's so very much more than we can fathom. In recent years we have discovered that trees communicate with each other
https://e360.yale.edu/features/exploring_how_and_why_trees_talk_to_each_other#:~
We might not fully understand what is being said, what if the trees are saying, these humans, what a nuisance!
PS, I have a brand spanking new tin foil hat ready to go! | |
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| Cross Keys pub on 12:26 - Jul 27 with 659 views | onehunglow |
| Cross Keys pub on 12:24 - Jul 27 by Catullus |
I posted (somewhere) a kind of conspiracy theory, what if mother nature has decided that humankind has become too much of a blight and needed culling? I didn't put it quite like that but that's the basis of it.
This virus has hit the old and already sick hardest, what if it mutates now into something that attacks the younger people?
I know it sounds barmy but all through history nature has intervened in variius ways. Is it by pure chance or is nature far more intelligent AND hands on than we understand? We already know how incredible and brillianr nature is but what if it's so very much more than we can fathom. In recent years we have discovered that trees communicate with each other
https://e360.yale.edu/features/exploring_how_and_why_trees_talk_to_each_other#:~
We might not fully understand what is being said, what if the trees are saying, these humans, what a nuisance!
PS, I have a brand spanking new tin foil hat ready to go! |
I read that.
I feel reborn,cleaned of my sins.Washed in the blood of the Lamb of God.
Its a day for Badoit and olives | |
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