| United States healthcare at its worst.... 19:02 - Jul 31 with 4323 views | BrynCartwright |
Thankfully we have an NHS that is free to all UK citizens. No wonder we blew a few trumpets at it's 60th anniversary a few weeks back. This is just a fantastic example of how backward the US is in treating its people. It's just unbelievably heathen..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45009078
Yanks...you should be ashamed that that this is happening in your advanced country. Just go on building your walls and buying millions of guns to defend yourself against the other numpties with millions of guns.
Saying that though it is still a great country, that unfortunately I have only been to twice. Both occasions were amazing, the people were fantastically friendly and I would just love to drive from coast to coast. They do like the Welsh accent though!!
|  |
| |  |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:21 - Jul 31 with 3843 views | LeonWasGod |
Just for balance I had the best medical attention I’ve ever had in the States. In amd out of A&E in no time and follow-up treatment arranged immediately (literally, they offered me an appointment straight after being seen in ER). I’d still be waiting now if it was the NHS.
Not cheap mind. And yes the system’s perverse and broken, even if the quality (in my limited experience) is absolutely top notch. |  | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:28 - Jul 31 with 3833 views | trampie |
I think you are 10 years out Bryn. |  |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:40 - Jul 31 with 3811 views | Jack_Kass |
It's a very strange relationship.
Once watching a youth soccer game and saw a 15 year old boy go up for a header at a corner, and land awkwardly, with what turned out to be a very bad hip dislocation, the mother of the player begged the coaches on the sideline and the referee not to call an ambulance for their child, she said she would pick him up, and drive him to the hospital in her car by herself.
Thankfully common sense prevailed, and she was told in no uncertain terms that he could not be moved without further serious injury.
I have called 911 after someone got involved in a car accident, (the bloke 'fell asleep' at the wheel and smashed his truck into a tree), luckily he got out of his vehicle and was conscious, albeit with a huge gash on his leg, and surely a concussion at the least.
The dispatcher asked to speak to him, and he told them he didn't want an ambulance, and that was that, coudn't quite grasp it, especially after the man had just wrapped his car around a tree ffs, but it was his choice.
Hospital treatment really is something to fear out there, where as here we have people sitting in A&E for all sort of minor ailments. [Post edited 31 Jul 2018 20:41]
|  |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:49 - Jul 31 with 3785 views | stAteSwan |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:21 - Jul 31 by LeonWasGod |
Just for balance I had the best medical attention I’ve ever had in the States. In amd out of A&E in no time and follow-up treatment arranged immediately (literally, they offered me an appointment straight after being seen in ER). I’d still be waiting now if it was the NHS.
Not cheap mind. And yes the system’s perverse and broken, even if the quality (in my limited experience) is absolutely top notch. |
Medical Care in the US is some of the best in the world in terms of quality of care. It's just really poor when it comes to affordability.
There are loads of people here who go bankrupt each year primarily because of medical bills. The system is designed to be a significant benefit for the Middle and Upper class, but working class individuals often get left in situations where its almost unaffordable. Especially if you have a pre-existing condition.
Where the system gets really screwed up is that anytime someone discusses doing something to make it more affordable to the working class, it gets shouted down by the Upper class and powerful lobby's.
The average cost of an ambulance without insurance is $600 US just for them to show up and put you in the thing. They then charge you an astronomical amount per mile of the trip to the hospital. Needed an ambulance once after some idiot went out driving after consuming a ton of alcohol and collided with my vehicle head on. Total cost for a 15 mile trip to the hospital was over $1100US, and insurance will only cover a small portion of that...if you have it. (I didn't have to pay a dime, since it wasn't my fault, but I still have the bills) | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:55 - Jul 31 with 3755 views | stAteSwan |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:40 - Jul 31 by Jack_Kass |
It's a very strange relationship.
Once watching a youth soccer game and saw a 15 year old boy go up for a header at a corner, and land awkwardly, with what turned out to be a very bad hip dislocation, the mother of the player begged the coaches on the sideline and the referee not to call an ambulance for their child, she said she would pick him up, and drive him to the hospital in her car by herself.
Thankfully common sense prevailed, and she was told in no uncertain terms that he could not be moved without further serious injury.
I have called 911 after someone got involved in a car accident, (the bloke 'fell asleep' at the wheel and smashed his truck into a tree), luckily he got out of his vehicle and was conscious, albeit with a huge gash on his leg, and surely a concussion at the least.
The dispatcher asked to speak to him, and he told them he didn't want an ambulance, and that was that, coudn't quite grasp it, especially after the man had just wrapped his car around a tree ffs, but it was his choice.
Hospital treatment really is something to fear out there, where as here we have people sitting in A&E for all sort of minor ailments. [Post edited 31 Jul 2018 20:41]
|
Was working for a school here a few years back and a 9 year old fell off the monkey bars at play time. Broke her leg in a pretty gruesome way for an adult to stare at, much less a child. School called an ambulance. Mother insisted over the phone (shouting over her child's screams of pain) that they should just stabilize the leg and she'd come take her to get Xray's
Thankfully school policy won out there, but the concerns about affordability, plus the very real fear of hospitals here are problematic.
(For the record, hospital care here is great, its just very expensive, and unless you are made of money, you are going to do everything in your power to avoid one if at all possible) [Post edited 31 Jul 2018 20:58]
| | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 22:38 - Jul 31 with 3649 views | BrynCartwright |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:55 - Jul 31 by stAteSwan |
Was working for a school here a few years back and a 9 year old fell off the monkey bars at play time. Broke her leg in a pretty gruesome way for an adult to stare at, much less a child. School called an ambulance. Mother insisted over the phone (shouting over her child's screams of pain) that they should just stabilize the leg and she'd come take her to get Xray's
Thankfully school policy won out there, but the concerns about affordability, plus the very real fear of hospitals here are problematic.
(For the record, hospital care here is great, its just very expensive, and unless you are made of money, you are going to do everything in your power to avoid one if at all possible) [Post edited 31 Jul 2018 20:58]
|
I get the whole thing that US Hospitals are great and all, but how can it be justified to give that service wholly to the wealthy? In the UK, the same service is given to everybody, irrespective of their bank balance, | |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 22:39 - Jul 31 with 3644 views | BrynCartwright |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:28 - Jul 31 by trampie |
I think you are 10 years out Bryn. |
How comes you to that conclusion then Tramps? Enlighten me my Welsh brethren. | |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 04:50 - Aug 1 with 3522 views | stAteSwan |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 22:38 - Jul 31 by BrynCartwright |
I get the whole thing that US Hospitals are great and all, but how can it be justified to give that service wholly to the wealthy? In the UK, the same service is given to everybody, irrespective of their bank balance, |
In theory, US Hospitals aren't going to turn anyone away either. If someone needs the care, they are going to get it. The problem is these hospitals are also going to be acutely aware that these patients may not be able to pay for it, and there are concerns they may not provide all the services needed if some administrator somewhere has a fear they won't get paid in the end.
The issue isn't necessarily the hospitals, its the connotation behind them. There are people scared of hospitals without thinking of the cost. But if you were injured, or felt really ill, and you know that an ER trip without good insurance would cost you thousands of US Dollars. (My 3 hour Hospital visit last year cost 5,000) you are going to do everything possible to avoid going there.
The service is provided to everyone, its just that for some screwed up reason, the most important thing to the people giving the service is that they eventually get paid for it. Not that they try to help a fellow man or woman.
I'm a big fan of what the UK has accomplished with NHS, but suggesting that here would get you branded as a socialist, and that's not a title you can comfortably admit in conversations without fear of negative consequences. | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 06:16 - Aug 1 with 3500 views | raynor94 |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 22:39 - Jul 31 by BrynCartwright |
How comes you to that conclusion then Tramps? Enlighten me my Welsh brethren. |
5th July 1948 |  |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 06:53 - Aug 1 with 3481 views | Dr_Winston |
The NHS isn't "free". Taxes pay for it.
Having said that a service where you don't have to worry about paying five grand for a three hour visit is infinitely preferable to the alternative. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 08:04 - Aug 1 with 3447 views | bermudajack |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 06:53 - Aug 1 by Dr_Winston |
The NHS isn't "free". Taxes pay for it.
Having said that a service where you don't have to worry about paying five grand for a three hour visit is infinitely preferable to the alternative. |
What makes things worse is the fact you can opt out and have no medical Insurance whatsoever in the States, most working folk have at least Major Medical cover, but this doesn’t cover everything... some choose not to have any deductions from their wages which can be problematic. |  |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 09:17 - Aug 1 with 3414 views | BrynCartwright |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:28 - Jul 31 by trampie |
I think you are 10 years out Bryn. |
So I am. Thanks Tramps and Raynor. | |
| |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 12:37 - Aug 1 with 3365 views | peenemunde |
The NHS is out of control |  | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 13:20 - Aug 1 with 3329 views | AnotherJohn |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 08:04 - Aug 1 by bermudajack |
What makes things worse is the fact you can opt out and have no medical Insurance whatsoever in the States, most working folk have at least Major Medical cover, but this doesn’t cover everything... some choose not to have any deductions from their wages which can be problematic. |
The full story is too complicated for a thread like this, but what is missing is the saga of the Affordable Care Act and details such as the individual mandate (the shared responsibility provision that was meant to ensure that almost everybody arranged health insurance). Although I am normally reluctant to jump on the bandwagon of Trump-bashing, the President and the Neo-con Republicans (who wouldn't even agree to his halfway-house proposals) are slowly reversing the limited progress that had been made.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obamacare-idUSKBN14X1SK
https://familiesusa.org/blog/2018/01/transforming-federal-individual-mandate-sta | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 19:26 - Aug 1 with 3268 views | stAteSwan |
Here's a quick example of the issues created around the ACA, and what's happening now that's even worse. (And while I hate Trump, and blame him for most of the disaster that is the US now, I'll refrain from bashing him here)
The Affordable Care Act provided a federal mandate that every American should have health insurance. Programs were created to make such health care insurance affordable for the working class. The ACA essentially forced Health Insurance companies to provide coverage to anyone, and not just who they chose.
The problem is that the insurance lobby is one of the most powerful in the US (Next to the Gun Lobby) and insurance companies were not happy about being forced to insure people they didn't want. As a result, Health Insurance rates for the Middle Class went up. My Health Insurance rate went up 840 US per year after the ACA was passed. The rates have not gone down despite Trump pretending to neuter it. I doubt they ever do.
The 2nd problem is that the mandate also required most US Companies (Anyone over X number of Full time employees) to provide a health insurance option to all of their full time employees. Many Business owners did not like that requirement, so the smaller ones who could get away with it, laid enough people off, or transitioned a few to part time to ensure they fell under the minimum requirements of the law.
Thing is, the ACA may have saved my sisters life. American Law provides that a child must come off their parents medical coverage when they get out of University or turn 25. While she was still on that coverage, she was diagnosed with Cancer. Without the Affordable Care Act, her cancer would have been defined as a "pre-existing condition" and they would not have been required to cover any medical bills coming out of it. (Take a guess at how much that might cost without insurance) Because the ACA was in place though, insurance companies had to take her, and offer her an affordable rate by law. She was able to get the treatment needed, and was declared Cancer Free 2 years later.
Without the ACA, I have no idea how my family would have gone about trying to help pay for all of those medical bills. | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 22:42 - Aug 1 with 3203 views | Fireboy2 |
I knew that the usa was one fvcked up selfish country and after reading some of the posts on this topic i know i am right |  | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 22:45 - Aug 1 with 3201 views | Fireboy2 |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 12:37 - Aug 1 by peenemunde |
The NHS is out of control |
And with that you have kept up the consensus that you are a tvvat of the highest order
But i suspect you already know and enjoy that fact | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 23:02 - Aug 1 with 3184 views | peenemunde |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 22:45 - Aug 1 by Fireboy2 |
And with that you have kept up the consensus that you are a tvvat of the highest order
But i suspect you already know and enjoy that fact |
You do realise when Bevan rolled out the NHS he said the NHS would require less money year after year, as the nations health improved.
This of course was nonsense - the NHS will continue to eat up huge amounts of cash each yr, as all the NHS really does is treat the symptoms.
Time to think outside the box. | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 23:55 - Aug 1 with 3154 views | Fireboy2 |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 23:02 - Aug 1 by peenemunde |
You do realise when Bevan rolled out the NHS he said the NHS would require less money year after year, as the nations health improved.
This of course was nonsense - the NHS will continue to eat up huge amounts of cash each yr, as all the NHS really does is treat the symptoms.
Time to think outside the box. |
I refer you back to my previous post | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 01:38 - Aug 2 with 3141 views | AnotherJohn |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 23:02 - Aug 1 by peenemunde |
You do realise when Bevan rolled out the NHS he said the NHS would require less money year after year, as the nations health improved.
This of course was nonsense - the NHS will continue to eat up huge amounts of cash each yr, as all the NHS really does is treat the symptoms.
Time to think outside the box. |
That is a myth repeated in many introductory health policy textbooks. Around the time of the publication of the Beveridge Report (setting out the outline of a welfare state) some economists advanced that argument. However, from the following quotation you will see that Bevan had a different view, and one that remains relevant today.
'The new health service has been having a most uneasy gestation and a very turbulent birth, but all prodigies behave like that... We shall never have all we need. Expectation will always exceed capacity ... the service must always be changing, growing and improving; it must always appear inadequate.' HoC 1948. | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 06:59 - Aug 2 with 3085 views | peenemunde |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 01:38 - Aug 2 by AnotherJohn |
That is a myth repeated in many introductory health policy textbooks. Around the time of the publication of the Beveridge Report (setting out the outline of a welfare state) some economists advanced that argument. However, from the following quotation you will see that Bevan had a different view, and one that remains relevant today.
'The new health service has been having a most uneasy gestation and a very turbulent birth, but all prodigies behave like that... We shall never have all we need. Expectation will always exceed capacity ... the service must always be changing, growing and improving; it must always appear inadequate.' HoC 1948. |
So what are you saying is just keep throwing money at the NHS year after year, even though it don’t address the real causes of illnesses.
Metaphorically speaking the NHS is bit like a car that hasn’t received any oil for a long time and you end up having to change the whole engine. | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 07:11 - Aug 2 with 3081 views | Thursday |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 06:59 - Aug 2 by peenemunde |
So what are you saying is just keep throwing money at the NHS year after year, even though it don’t address the real causes of illnesses.
Metaphorically speaking the NHS is bit like a car that hasn’t received any oil for a long time and you end up having to change the whole engine. |
Top quality of care, without unhealthy wait times, at high cost is a great option for those who can afford it. When it's basically the only option for the majority of people, it's unacceptable that getting ill or injured can bankrupt you. It's disgraceful for a first world country. | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 10:19 - Aug 2 with 3033 views | peenemunde |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 07:11 - Aug 2 by Thursday |
Top quality of care, without unhealthy wait times, at high cost is a great option for those who can afford it. When it's basically the only option for the majority of people, it's unacceptable that getting ill or injured can bankrupt you. It's disgraceful for a first world country. |
I believe you are talking about the USA system, I’m talking about the NHS. | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 11:19 - Aug 2 with 3007 views | AnotherJohn |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 06:59 - Aug 2 by peenemunde |
So what are you saying is just keep throwing money at the NHS year after year, even though it don’t address the real causes of illnesses.
Metaphorically speaking the NHS is bit like a car that hasn’t received any oil for a long time and you end up having to change the whole engine. |
I wasn't giving you my view on financing the NHS, just a quote from the great man. As I said, you repeated an old chestnut that has nothing to do with what Bevan believed. | | | |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 13:53 - Aug 2 with 2961 views | Loyal |
| United States healthcare at its worst.... on 20:28 - Jul 31 by trampie |
I think you are 10 years out Bryn. |
Exactly, not just UK citizens 😂 |  |
| Nolan sympathiser, clout expert, personal friend of Leigh Dineen, advocate and enforcer of porridge swallows.
The official inventor of the tit w@nk. | | Poll: | Who should be Swansea number 1 |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
